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curious- dogs at many tears?
« on: September 23, 2017, 06:41:35 PM »
looking at the rescue dogs  pages I always like to look at their pictures poor things but there seems to be lots on there at the moment where do they all come from???  if they come from puppy farms I thought there was legislation to stop these now which came in 2-3 years ago.  IF from breeders then how do they get away with putting the dogs through all that just to "discard" them at the end esp looking at some of the ages bless them.

how do we stop the dogs having to go through it all? :016:

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Re: curious- dogs at many tears?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2017, 07:02:57 PM »
Yes, they do mainly come from puppy farms and have often come from a horrible life.   :'(

Puppy farms are still perfectly legal sadly - no legislation yet, although there are many people trying to change things.  The puppy farm industry is alive and well  >:D They go to all sorts of lengths to disguise the fact that that is where the pups have come from, but people still persist in buying them, thus perpetuating that awful industry.  >:(

As long as people buy from them, they will continue to exist (unless there is a legal ban on them, which seems a very long way off)  There is still a massive amount of ignorance about how a lot of puppies are bred  :-\
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Re: curious- dogs at many tears?
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2017, 09:46:29 PM »
MT ship loads in from Ireland
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Re: curious- dogs at many tears?
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2017, 05:10:05 AM »
Last year nearly 100 puppies were intercepted at the Port of Holyhead in north Wales by Customs, they were in a large truck concealed by straw bales.
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Re: curious- dogs at many tears?
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2017, 08:58:34 AM »
MT ship loads in from Ireland

They do plus take in from Wales.

MT are not a charitable organisation they are a Limited company.  Whilst they are fabulous at looking after the dogs and go to great lengths to finds homes I do have to question their part in perpetuating the puppy mills.......

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Re: curious- dogs at many tears?
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 01:23:09 PM »
An issue on which there has been much internet debate. I rather think that if MT wasn't there the puppy factories would still continue - but with less humane ways of disposing of surplus stocks. Since most are a long way out from anywhere, a shovel and a shotgun cartridge are equally viable. Sad, but we live in a cruel world. As long as people will buy, others will find a way to supply.

In fairness to MT, they also do rehoming for dogs from members of the public and lost/abandoned dogs. In our case, Buster was a rehome after his family had to move abroad, while Annie was from a puppy farm batch. 

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2017, 07:38:11 PM »
An issue on which there has been much internet debate. I rather think that if MT wasn't there the puppy factories would still continue - but with less humane ways of disposing of surplus stocks. Since most are a long way out from anywhere, a shovel and a shotgun cartridge are equally viable. Sad, but we live in a cruel world. As long as people will buy, others will find a way to supply.

In fairness to MT, they also do rehoming for dogs from members of the public and lost/abandoned dogs. In our case, Buster was a rehome after his family had to move abroad, while Annie was from a puppy farm batch.

Agree with the above.  While the solution may not be perfect, it is (for me) better than the alternatives.

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Re: curious- dogs at many tears?
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2017, 03:54:42 PM »
Its not just puppy farms but also 'reputable' breeders.A friend breeds on a very small scale, the dogs are most definately pets and stay with Her after having a couple of litters into old age and She is very strict as to who has the pups but the horror stories about the dig breeders is terrible.And these are kennel club reg. Crufts standard etc.Kept in immaculate kennels but little human contact and rehomed as soon as they have finished their puppy rearing days.Pups are assessed as to show quality, some sold immediately others kept in kennels just to see how they develop ie ideal height, colour etc.It is all such big business , the dogs are commodities bought and sold all over the world.I find it all very sad.Rosie was from a very small scale breeder with house full of dogs of all ages wandering in and out but as a rookie dog owner it was luck finding someone who I felt I could trust.Sonetimes feel its a horrible world We live in.

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Re: curious- dogs at many tears?
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2017, 11:20:27 AM »
Its not just puppy farms but also 'reputable' breeders.A friend breeds on a very small scale, the dogs are most definately pets and stay with Her after having a couple of litters into old age and She is very strict as to who has the pups but the horror stories about the dig breeders is terrible.And these are kennel club reg. Crufts standard etc.Kept in immaculate kennels but little human contact and rehomed as soon as they have finished their puppy rearing days.Pups are assessed as to show quality, some sold immediately others kept in kennels just to see how they develop ie ideal height, colour etc.It is all such big business , the dogs are commodities bought and sold all over the world.I find it all very sad.Rosie was from a very small scale breeder with house full of dogs of all ages wandering in and out but as a rookie dog owner it was luck finding someone who I felt I could trust.Sonetimes feel its a horrible world We live in.
I think it's a bit unfair implying that all breeders who rehome puppies they've initially kept on as showing prospects, or bitches who have had litters, are bad or disreputable. I've known several people who have taken on such dogs from breeders who show and they've been lovely, well socialised and well cared for dogs. If someone has only limited space at home and wants to continue showing and breeding a few litters it makes sense to find good homes for young dogs that haven't turned out to be show ring prospects, and bitches that have retired from breeding. It's not what I would want to do personally, because my dogs are my pets and companions, but it doesn't make those breeders bad.
Neither is keeping dogs in outside kennels necessarily bad, providing the facilities and care are of a high standard and that the dogs have dog and human company, mental stimulation and exercise. Again, it's not what I would do with my pet dogs, but working and breeding dogs all over the country live in kennels and it's not automatically a bad environment.
My first 2 Cockers came from a lady who showed and bred Cockers. She usually had about 8 or so adult dogs and bitches, most of whom lived in kennels and runs in her garden and had exercise and human and dog company every day. We went to see a litter but also to see a lovely 10 month old pup that she'd kept to show but he wasn't quite good enough. He was confident, friendly and happy, but we decided on a puppy in the end. he was a delight too, so when we decided to get a second dog a couple of years later we went back to the same breeder.

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Re: curious- dogs at many tears?
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2017, 03:23:41 PM »
I live in mid wales and i am ashamed to say some councils  give licenses people who are very obviously  puppy farmers,  some have no licenses at all, they live in the middle of nowwhere so are very hard to catch, sylvia takes the dogs no questions asked or their fate would be horrible, I have visited many tears to walk the dogs several times and she does a fantastic job, though I am not certain how i feel about the dogs coming in from ireland as we have so many here that need help. She also takes in many dogs that would otherwise be eauthanised as they have no one to take them except her . Until people are better educated she is their only hope im afraid
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Re: curious- dogs at many tears?
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2017, 08:58:02 PM »
Thanks Guys I was thinking surely MT doesn't help as it gives an outlet for these dogs to just be turned over but of course a much better outcome than like you say a spade or cartridge.  such a shame all round.

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Re: curious- dogs at many tears?
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2017, 09:18:47 AM »
Sadly MT canít take them all the ex breeders and there are many who donít get out of their hellish existence, who donít get the price of a cartridge spent on their death and never get to know that human interaction can be positive.

I am a MT supporter, I have had Bella 6 years now and she wouldnít have made it out of the puppy farm if she didnít ďluckilyĒ get pyometria and therefore no use for breeding, I donít want to think of what the outcome would have been if MT didnít take her but sure as hell there wouldnít have been no vetinary treatment.

The problem being if MT only took ex breeding dogs and no other types of rescue, the rescue would seize. These dogs do not appeal to the masses, they need experienced owners who have a current dog as a minimum, they are no where near as easy to rehome as general rescue dogs.

The root cause needs to be the issue addressed....end puppy farming!

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Re: curious- dogs at many tears?
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2017, 09:16:57 PM »
Quite agree Poppypuppypuppy farming should stop but they make too much money from these poor dogs.ABOUT 40000pounds for 7 years. Maggie came at 7 years from Dogs Trust Bridge end.she took about a year and half to trust my husband.We also have Jessie from MT .She has been here 3 half years and she is too frightened to go for a walk.Will only eat by herself many times even now won't come up to me,.Just awful  what these brutes do to these dear dogs.

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Re: curious- dogs at many tears?
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2017, 02:17:45 PM »
Revis - Poor Jessie - three and a half years and still too scared to go out! I can well believe it though. When Annie came to us she would not walk, or do anything really, if I was around. If she was taken out she just wanted to flatten herself to the floor. We used her harness to teach her to walk short distances, almost like a puppet and with me and any other men well out of sight. Suddenly it just 'clicked' and after a couple of months she couldn't wait to go out. She still prefers to have her Mum with her. It is more difficult for me to get her to come with me if I am on my own. I suppose it will depend how long they have been in the puppy farm and which one. Annie was only 18 months - 2 years when we got her and (for some reason) had not been bred from. Perhaps too small? Apparently the puppy farm was (MT said) one of the better ones. I dread to think what the really bad ones do to their dogs.

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Re: curious- dogs at many tears?
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2017, 04:00:09 PM »
I live in mid wales and i am ashamed to say some councils  give licenses people who are very obviously  puppy farmers,  some have no licenses at all, they live in the middle of nowwhere so are very hard to catch, Sylvia takes the dogs no questions asked or their fate would be horrible, I have visited many tears to walk the dogs several times and she does a fantastic job, though I am not certain how i feel about the dogs coming in from ireland as we have so many here that need help. She also takes in many dogs that would otherwise be euthanized as they have no one to take them except her . Until people are better educated she is their only hope I'm afraid

I'm glad that Sylvia took in my Megan from S Ireland and saved her, Meg may never ever be brave enough to even go out of the front door,
but she has found herself a  family that loves her to bits and who don't care that they can't get away on holidays (we always took our dogs with us and
think of the money we save just to spend on Honey & Meg  ;) ) she runs around the garden and house, knows all the tricks to getting treats and cuddles, I hate to think we would have missed out on having her if Sylvia hadn't got her. We may have many dogs here in the UK wanting homes, every dog life is precious. and sadly Minimoo  you are right until people are better educated things will never improve. Just wish there were more Many Tears around.