Peeing in kitchen overnight when previously clean

[cockersarespecialpeople]

Hi everyone
Our boy is 1 year old - can't believe where that went! The problem is since he was neutered about 5 weeks ago, he pees on the kitchen floor, not every night but probably 8 out of 10 times, so enough to make it a problem.  He was fine overnight before and this problem began shortly after his op.  If we leave newspaper down, he will use it, but we don't want to do it all the time as we think it may encourage him.  He is always taken out into the garden last thing at night, around 11-11.30pm before bed and my OH is usually down around 8am.  I don't understand why he has reverted.   
We brought the crate back into the kitchen with the intention of putting him in it but so far it has just been there for him to get used to it being there again before we put him in it.  It's as if he knows because if I put a treat in it, he'll stretch his body inside just enough to grab the treat and escape.  Quite comical really but not helpful as it's been there a few days now!
I wondered if anyone has had experience of this, if it settles down after a while, if they persisted with the crate or what.  All information gratefully received!
Many thanks

[elaine.e]

I think I'd be inclined to have him vet checked as the problem has started since he was castrated. Hopefully a check will rule out any physical problem caused by the surgery.

When you let him out last thing at night do you watch him to make sure he has a pee? If he's just wandering about and not peeing that could be the reason for the night time peeing. Feeling cold or hot at night could be another reason, if it's making him wakeful and restless.

You could also try getting up at say 6.00ish for a few mornings and letting him out (hoping he hasn't peed by then), then go back to bed. If that works you can then try letting him out for a pee a bit later every morning and hope it gets him back into his previous routine eventually.

Also, when he pees indoors don't use bleach to clean up because the ammonia in it smells like pee and may encourage him to use the same place again. use either a specialist pet odour and stain remover or a solution of bio laundry liquid or powder. The enzymes help to eradicate odour as well as stains.

[cockersarespecialpeople]

I think I'd be inclined to have him vet checked as the problem has started since he was castrated. Hopefully a check will rule out any physical problem caused by the surgery.

When you let him out last thing at night do you watch him to make sure he has a pee? If he's just wandering about and not peeing that could be the reason for the night time peeing. Feeling cold or hot at night could be another reason, if it's making him wakeful and restless.

You could also try getting up at say 6.00ish for a few mornings and letting him out (hoping he hasn't peed by then), then go back to bed. If that works you can then try letting him out for a pee a bit later every morning and hope it gets him back into his previous routine eventually.

Also, when he pees indoors don't use bleach to clean up because the ammonia in it smells like pee and may encourage him to use the same place again. use either a specialist pet odour and stain remover or a solution of bio laundry liquid or powder. The enzymes help to eradicate odour as well as stains.

Hi Elaine
Many thanks for your reply and apologies for late response - Christmas seemed to take over a bit!

Yes, we take him out and stay with him last thing at night.  It can take up to 15 minutes to get him to pee!  We use the same words we used when toilet training him when he first arrived so he associates the two things hopefully.

Good idea regarding getting up a bit earlier.  We will give that a go and see how we get on.

I'm really hoping this problem wasn't caused as a result of his neutering but it does seem odd.  Ironically, he was the easiest of our cockers to house train right from a very small pup!  So it seems particularly ironic we're now experiencing these problems!

Thank you for the tip about not using bleach too.  I tend to use the spray Detox or plain disinfectant but will give the biological laundry liquid a go too.

As for being too hot/cold - the heating is not on overnight as it goes off at 10.30pm coming back on again at 6am.  I'm not really sure how I would be able to tell if the temperature was wrong for him though?  It feels okay to us but then again we don't have fur coats!  Food for thought though.

I do hope we can get to the bottom of this and thank you for you helpful reply.

Hope you've had a Happy Christmas?

[Darwin]

If he's been checked out by the vet and everything is ok. It may be a case that it's starting to become a habbit and you may need to change your routine in order break his habbit

As Elaine suggested popping down earlier in the morning so he has an earlier wee break may help.
Also when he goes out for his final night time wee, he may be only going for a mini wee as he knows he'll get a bedtime treat. So a brief walk at 10pm might be an idea, as he's more likely to go for a bigger wee.

Darwin has issues with control due to major spinal nerve damage so we're constantly trying to work with what we think is his routine, Sometimes we have good weeks after times not so.  One thing we've tried is encouraging him to have a large drink at 8pm ish so he'll go for a large wee when we take him out at 10pm, otherwise he'll likely to have a large drink at 11.30 when he goes into his crate for the night

[cockersarespecialpeople]

If he's been checked out by the vet and everything is ok. It may be a case that it's starting to become a habbit and you may need to change your routine in order break his habbit

As Elaine suggested popping down earlier in the morning so he has an earlier wee break may help.
Also when he goes out for his final night time wee, he may be only going for a mini wee as he knows he'll get a bedtime treat. So a brief walk at 10pm might be an idea, as he's more likely to go for a bigger wee.

Darwin has issues with control due to major spinal nerve damage so we're constantly trying to work with what we think is his routine, Sometimes we have good weeks after times not so.  One thing we've tried is encouraging him to have a large drink at 8pm ish so he'll go for a large wee when we take him out at 10pm, otherwise he'll likely to have a large drink at 11.30 when he goes into his crate for the night


Well, hubby got down stairs this morning for 6am only to find Fred had not only pee'd but poo'd too!  He was not happy as you can imagine as we spent about 15 mins outside with him last night at 11.45pm trying to get him to pee, which he did do finally.    Also today, he pee'd again on an old towel near the door which we use to dry him off with and poo'd too.  . 

Just now I discovered a poo, albeit a soft one, in the hallway.  He didn't ask to go out, or if he did, it must have been momentary and I completely missed it. It seems to be going from bad to worse.  It's possible he may have a bit of an upset though and couldn't hold it, as it was quite a soft poo.

He's finally going back voluntarily into his crate now, something which we stopped using a few months ago as he just seemed to prefer to sleep in a bed beside his crate!

So sorry to hear Darwin has problems with his spinal nerves, poor boy.  It must be constantly frustrating and worrying trying to fathom out the next stage of the routine.

Let's hope we can sort it out.

Happy New Year!