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Cocker Specific Discussion => Puppies => Topic started by: lola B on July 17, 2012, 03:59:50 PM
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ok after a great first night last night i got very little sleep went to bed at 12 ( that was an accident ) she was whimpering at 1 brought her out dident do anything brought her back up into the crate back to sleep woke up an hour later now usually if Rosie needs to go to the toilet she will go to the door and try to get out but she just went over and started playing with something i put her back in and she cried i put my hand in the top of the crate and she went back to sleep but then i let my hand fall out cause i was asleep then she started crying i woke up brought her out to the toilet she did a wee then i brought her up in the crate and she cried and cried and cried at this stage i had lost several hours of sleep and i was nearly delirious so i just put her on to my bed and she fell straight asleep and dident wake up for the whole night even though i slept through the alarm to bring her to the toilet i know i shouldent have brought her onto my bed but i was sooooo tired i thought i would pass out, is she lonely or is she just being bold ???
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She's just being a pup who has been in a new home for a matter of days and is still missing her mum :shades:
It's hard when they are tiny and crying at night time.
If you want to stick with crate training though you really must be strict with yourself.
What time is her last meal? Is she perhaps hungry??
If she has been to the toilet, has somewhere comfortable to sleep and isn't hungry, then she will settle in time.
Bingley cried for the first couple of night. I could never settle him, but OH could.
Of course, this is all completely irrelevant as Bingley now sleeps in our bed :005:
You must be very sleepy today! Bless you :bigarmhug:
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Hi, it is a difficult one but I would say she is just trying to adjust.
With my first one he was left in a basket not a crate in our room from day one so was never an issue providing his basket was close to one of us and we got up with him every time he ventured out of his basket.
With Albie I crated him but I did sleep on the floor for the first few nights so I was right next to his crate and gradually I just moved away until about 4 days after he was ok with me being in bed but his crate was right next to me.
Not sure if this would work for you? Ultimately if you decide you want to crate then I think you have to crate and perservere with it whilst trying to make her as comfortable with it as possible. At about 9 months I let Albie sleep out of his crate and now share my bed with 2 cocker spaniels which doesnt always prove for a good night sleep so I would say if you can get her to settle in the crate it is a good thing and also makes it much easier if she needs to sleep over somewhere.
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she gets her last meal at 8 is this to late or to early :-\ i`m to tired to think about this stuff but i know i have to figure out something before bed :016:
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It is difficult but I think you need to decide if you want to continue with the crate or are happy to have her sleep on your bed. There's no right or wrong, just whatever works for you. Both my dogs slept in crates until they were a year old. Now they sleep downstairs where they choose (sofa, their beds or whatever).
When we first put Barney in a crate we had him in our room. He used to make a fuss, grumbling, whining and barking when he first went in. We just completely ignored him because we knew he didn't need food, water or the toilet (all had been catered for). Sometimes it would go on half an hour but after no interaction at all no matter what he did, he eventually settled and went to sleep. If he woke up, we would take him straight out to toilet, then put him back in , again with no interaction and ignoring any whining, barking etc afterwards. Eventually, we moved his crate dwownstairs and I actually think this helped as we were no longer disturbing him.
So when Pippa came along she was downstairs in her crate from day one and she has been great. Initially, I set my alarm for 4am to take her out, but she soon didn't need this and we could hear anyway if she woke up and wanted to go out.
It's a case of being firm about the rules you want them to respect. They soon catch on.
I think 8 is fine for her fourth meal. You just want to make sure she has completed all aspects of toileting before you go to bed. ;)
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Depends what time her breakfast is really. I think we used to feed Bingley 6am, 11am, 4pm and about 8.30/9 and then a bedtime biscuit.
I know PatP had great success with a ticking clock tightly wrapped in a blanket, she has recommended it several times on threads i've seen. Might be worth a go?
She's probably just still adjusting. If she settles easier with you nearby can you keep her crate in your room or sleep downstairs with her? Sorry to say that it's pretty normal and par for the course really :-\ it does get better though! Promise!
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I do sympathise - I still get sleepless nights witha 2 year old and 3 year old cockers.
When we had Albie we found an 8 o'clock feed was a bit too late for him as he wouldnt always toilet before bed so moved it forward to 7pm. With Albie it also got a bit better when he could go out for an evening walk as he always preferred to do his business whilst out on a walk rather than just in the garden.
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She`d be lonely, scared and trying her luck too ;)
Remember it well . After 3 or 4 distraught nights Cupar would just not settle in his crate in the kitchen. I remember sitting in the kitchen with him probably around 3am in tears anyway we brought him up to the landing outside our bedroom and left the door open. Zzzzzzzzz peaceful nights ever since. And thats where he still sleeps but with bedroom door now shut. He never moves out of his bed until we get up in morning. It will get better trust me :blink:
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From memory when Tilly was on 4 meals it was 6, 10, 2 and 6. That worked ok for her/us!
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ok Rosie does sleep in my room i am going to try and ignore her tonight and i will let you know how we get on i also think i will move her last meal up to 7 if it helps we will stick to it although house training is going fantastic i am kinda holding my breath it takes her about 20 seconds outside for her to do a wee a poo takes a little longer but i am still delighted hope it isent a fluke :shades:
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Totally sympathise about bringing your pup into your bed. I ended up doing this a few times with Darcie as was so sleep deprived (up at maybe 2,3 or 4 every night) that couldn't cope with any more howling from her crate. To be honest Darcie has never liked her crate really (whereas Abbi was no trouble at all) and now at 5 months we leave her out in the hall with Abbi if we are out and at night she sleeps on our bed and never wakes up in the night.
Wishing you lots of luck with Rosie and just do what you feel works for you but remember that once you start a habit it's harder to change it ;)
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It's all such a learning curve isn't it! Had 2 nights with Luca now. I've been sleeping in the lounge!
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She will be missing her littermate's & mum, esp. overnight, so its completely understandable with her crying. :shades:
You all need to get sleep, so just go with your gut instinct & do whatever you feel is best for all of you overnight. :blink:
As Lola is very young i wouldn't move her 8 p.m. feed forward at this stage, perhaps in 2-3 weeks time though. ;)
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I remember this all too well :005: I'm sure she is just missing Mum and littermates seems as it's only one of her first couple of nights with you and will just take time to settle :luv:
Both my boys had really good first nights (think it was because they were so tired from journey, exploring new surroundings etc) but then the fun really began on the second night :lol:
When I had Charlie I didn't have a crate and he was just in a dog bed in my room and he was abit difficult to start with, as he would just wonder out of his bed and do his toilet-ing straight away unless I managed to hear him and get him out quickly, although it didn't take long for him to get into a routine and he'd wake me up then :luv:
So when I had Toby I decided to definitely use a crate and it was fab, he would let me know when he needed the toilet and I'd take him out & bring him back up and put him back in the crate straight away and wait until he'd settled and gone back to sleep. I'd normally find myself sitting by the crate in the very early hours of the morning waiting for him to nod back off to sleep :005: Toby used to love his crate and although I let them both sleep on my bed now they are older, in the day time he still chooses to go and sleep in his crate, pretty sure he remembers being in it as a pup and that it's his safe place :luv:
Good luck with Rosie, it will get better just takes a little time. I'm sure she will settle in well soon and get used to your routine :luv:
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ok good news tonight was a lot better we went to bed at around 11 a had to settle her but then she slept until 3 when i brought her out she did a wee then upstairs again and into the crate i settled her and she fell back to sleep she woke at half 5 and then she kinda dozed and played with her favorite toy husky wolfy thing we got up at 6 then after a wee and a poo and a little run around i dried her off and went to bed this time in my bed where she slept until 8 :o i was delighted she dident cry half so much i think i just have to settle her a little better :luv: :luv: :luv:
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not all pups will sleep all the way through anyway no matter how settled they are so to me this is par for the course re looking after pups
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I bought some black out curtaining when Kira slept in a crate. She was much better fully covered.
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well actually i think Rosie doesent like to not be able to see things last night i dident put anything over her crate and she slept much better so i dont know ill try it again tonight