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Cocker Specific Discussion => Feeding => Topic started by: goughee on May 23, 2007, 08:38:12 PM
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We started off on Beta puppy, but our Poppy doesn't seem to like it so we changed, to Pedigree puppy.
This has caused her to have a loose stool.
I have heard about JWB but have no idea what it stands for! any suggestions please.
We would like a natural food if possible.
Thanks
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Pedigree is one of the worst foods out there along with the dreaded Bakers! It is full of additives and colours so I'm not surprised your pup has an upset stomach. I'd get her off it asap if you can.
JWB is James Wellbeloved which is a good food but which some people won't use for ethical reasons as their parent company tests foods on permanently caged animals. Same goes for Iams/Eukanuba and anything made by Purina.
High quality and ethically produced complete foods include Burns, Arden Grange, Autarky and Nutro. Good natural wet foods are NatureDiet and Nature's Menu. All of these have puppy and adult varieties.
Once you decide on a good high quality food do persevere with it, if you chop and change her food every time she seems to go off it you will make a rod for your own back as you will end up with a very fussy and picky dog! ;)
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I have my three on Burns, turns out to be the best decision I've made regarding dog food. :blink:
When I got my golden female (now 4 years old) she was on pedigree/bakers and she was so hyperactive, and it wasn't until we swapped her over that we realised a VERY big change in her nature, revealing a calm gentle character.
Other than that there's also the BARF diet, if you'd rather. If you do a search you will find a lot of information.
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Most of those mentioned will send samples if you fill in a form on line or email ;)
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JWB is James Wellbeloved which is a good food but which some people won't use for ethical reasons as their parent company tests foods on permanently caged animals. S
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I didn't know that about JWB :-\
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JWB is James Wellbeloved which is a good food but which some people won't use for ethical reasons as their parent company tests foods on permanently caged animals. S
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I didn't know that about JWB :-\
'Fraid so Em... this is the BUAV site which lists all such companies...
http://www.buav.org/campaigns/petfood/facts.html
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Our dogs are on CSJ Command Performance. It's a working dog food free of artificial additives. Vera
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Hi,
We have changed to Laughing Dog which comes in Tripe,Lamb, and Chicken, it is baked in an oven not like all the other foods which are extruded and then sprayed with oil to keep them. The dogs love it and it smells just like digestive biscuits.
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JWB is James Wellbeloved which is a good food but which some people won't use for ethical reasons as their parent company tests foods on permanently caged animals. S
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I didn't know that about JWB :-\
'Fraid so Em... this is the BUAV site which lists all such companies...
http://www.buav.org/campaigns/petfood/facts.html
I didn't know that either :o :embarassed: Thanks for the link Nic, will be looking at swapping food I think ;).
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I or rather wucey is with Burns chicken and brown rice. When I got her she was on warfcol chicken complete and her previous owners gave me a big bag of it. I intended to change to Burns anyway and when I did she started to have smaller and firmer stools and the horrendous smell calmed down a lot. It suits her and she seems to love it too.
Second time I have written this but its horses for courses some will suit some wont but I agree with Nicola that once you hae found a food stick with it. Even when changing you need to stick with something new for (it does say on the burns bag which I have just thrown away) but a few weeks at least to really see what suits. Some people say its best to give a range of foods on the theory that humans would not want the same thing everyday. However I say once you have a food that works well, dont change. I always use chicken and brown rice for meals and then a range of treats mostly biscuit based. (I dont count a raw hide chew as a treat as it takes weeks for her to get through even a little one :005:) That gives her variety and makes the treats extra treaty!!
She seems happy enough.
I did not know that about JWB, I am surprised. I have bought there treats before crackjacks and another I cant remember the name off but not actually food.
I also like Burns as they only sell through local stores or direct to your door and support the small stores.
There are plenty of natural products now so avoid the ones with lots of additives as mentioned earlier. Chicken and rice is usally a good starting point but there are other varieties if that does not suit. I sue if you have a wander arond the stores and trawl the net you will be able to narrow down your list and come back here and members in the know can help you decide further.
Hope that was of help or interest or something! :D
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We have just recently (past 2 days) changed Sam to Burns and I have noticed a big difference already. He was on Eukanuba and his skin was really dry and flaky, but since changing to Burns his coat has become so much softer and is not flaking at all. Maybe 2 days is too quick for this to happen but my OH, MIL and mum all agree that his coat is looking so much better. An added bonus is that Sam loves it too!
I was very interested to see that website about all the compainies that test their stuff on cages animals, did not know this at all. Definately no more Eukanuba for Sam! >:D
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Mine are all on Burns dog foods. :blink:
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Just reading through all these comments, which are terrifically helpful. Burns sounds the way to go. However, I haven't found it in my local Pets At Home. Is it readily available at larger stores?
Potter
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Just reading through all these comments, which are terrifically helpful. Burns sounds the way to go. However, I haven't found it in my local Pets At Home. Is it readily available at larger stores?
Potter
PAH don't stock Burns, it's usually available from smaller independent feed stockists or pet shops. Try googling Burns Pet Nutrition and there should be a contact number or a list of stockists on their website ;)
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hi folks,
bramble was on pedigree but after reading this post he`s got 6 tins left and then he will be going onto burns food,luckily for me after checking the stockists we`ve actually got one about 10 minutes walk away
cheers
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Don't chane Bramble straight over though! LOL! Do it gradually!
We feed Arden Grange Premium and never had any problems with it, that's what the breeder fed chloe although we cut out the cheap Tripe wet food and water on recommendation from our trainer!
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Mine are on Autarky
I work in a small pet food shop and we don't stock Burns unfortunately
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I am expecting a puppy later this summer and have been following this thread and investigating food. I very much like the sound of John Burns set up. However, although the staff in PAH were very helpful, they basically said everything under their own name brand was just as good. They then went on to say, "but we don't know anything about Burns" - so how can they know theirs is just as good???!
Got home and googled Burns - brilliant website. Rang them and they were incredibly helpful. Even though I live in the middle of the Fens, with little or no amenities, they told me of a kennels less than 2 miles away that stocks it, or they (Burns) will deliver to me personally. Very impressive policy and good business too!
It will definitely have my vote.
Potter
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;) E mail Burns and they'll send you free samples and vouchers for money off your purchase and lots and lots of information. Very helpful people
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I use this
http://www2.husse.com/sheets/UK/470583.pdf
I dont think that anybody else here does but Maudie loves it and has the most amazing coat.
I did use this
http://www.henne-pet-food.dk/engl/optimal.htm
But Maudie had really fishy breath because of the fish content. But it has an amazing effect on the skin and coat!
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Jersey loves the fish 4 dogs treat range and I noticed the other day that they now do a complete food. I think she'd love it but while she is eating her Royal Canin I am loathe to interfere ;) The boys all eat Arden Grange prestige
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Ours are on Arden Grange, no complaints at all ;) .
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Thanks for the tip about free samples and money off from Burns. Will do!
Potter
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JWB is James Wellbeloved which is a good food but which some people won't use for ethical reasons as their parent company tests foods on permanently caged animals. Same goes for Iams/Eukanuba and anything made by Purina.
OMG I didn't know that either ph34r, my Newfs are on JWB and the Cockers are on Royal Canin, and that is on the list too.... Looks like my dogs will have to change to something else ph34r
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Jersey loves the fish 4 dogs treat range and I noticed the other day that they now do a complete food.
Ours love fish 4 treats aswell,Sophie is on Royal Canin and all the other are on Hill's which they love
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We have tried Burns in the past but we've found that the dogs prefer meat based food rather than wheat based. ;)
Arden Grange, Pro-plan and Royal Canine are all great.
Ours are fed on Pro-plan. ;)
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We have tried Burns in the past but we've found that the dogs prefer meat based food rather than wheat based. ;)
Arden Grange, Pro-plan and Royal Canine are all great.
Ours are fed on Pro-plan. ;)
Burns contains rice and oats (and some of their products contain potato and/or maize), but no wheat ;) Arden Grange has rice and maize, Pro-Plan use rice, oats, wheat or maize in their various products and Royal Canin has rice or maize in........
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O right, I was rushed in my reply so didn't get chance to look it up. Didn't mean anyting against Burns in my reply.
What I meant about the other foods is that the main ingredient is usually meat. Ours obviously like their meat! ;)
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Don't chane Bramble straight over though! LOL! Do it gradually!
We feed Arden Grange Premium and never had any problems with it, that's what the breeder fed chloe although we cut out the cheap Tripe wet food and water on recommendation from our trainer!
hi,
we`ve visited local supplier and he gave us some free samples & lots of leaflets with information about burns food,however i did end up buying a 15kg bag of chicken & rice for £34.99.we`ll gradually change bramble over to the burns food,he`s tried one feed tonight and he really did enjoy it.
it looks like he`ll be on 2 * 100 grams per day as he`s 12kg at the moment
just a shame our kids dont get the same concerns over what they eat ;)
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I buy Burns food straight from the website. Just type Burns and you will find it. Their delivery service is excellent and the advice line has been invaluable to me, a novice dog owner, as may I add have all you COLers! their range of treats is very good to. I find the training treats particullarly good for re- call probably because they smell ghastly! They are just slightly better in your pocket than bits of soggy sausage or cheese.
Wendy
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:D
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All 7 of mine are on Fresh food ... cooked meat ... and veggies , fish ect :D
:D My two are as well ;)
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I didn't know about JWB either! I swapped Ben to this a couple of months ago purely as it's easy to get hold of and he likes it!
I think I'll be changing him back to Arden Grange ;)
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Oscars
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My four are all fed BARF (bones and raw food)
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Burns here too :D
I have to say the staff at Burns are the most helpful I have ever come accross, they can't do enough.
They had a stand at crufts this year and John burns himself was there working & helping buyers by giving advice about nutrition etc, I thought it was really good.
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Maddy is on Oscars, it is gluten free she loves it, plus it is delivered to my door.
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Hi there, I swapped Iams for Auturky last week and have noticed the small flaky patch on Ben's coat has cleared up already. It is a natural food and cheaper than a lot of them.
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What an amazing response! thank you all for your replies.
We have changed Poppy's feed to JWB it may have been a coincidence but the poor mite developed an allergic reaction over the bank holiday weekend, she was given an anti-histamine injection by the vet and seems to be recovering. Her face was all swollen and she could hardly open her eyes. We were really worried.
The Vet thinks that it was probably not the feed but I am watching closely. Has anyone else's baby had a reaction to JWB
Jean
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Both my dogs were on JWB for a few months, and although they didn't have a severe reaction like you've decribed they both had poos a bit too squishy for my liking, and Lucy (my cavalier who has allergies) was very flaky. :-\ As far as i could figure out JWB only has "no added artificial colours/flavours preservatives"
I've now got them both on Autarky (which is a huge amount cheaper!) and they couldn't be better. :D Both really shiny, and Lucy's whole coat texture has changed, she's all soft and lovely now. :D Autarky is also completely free from artificial stuff.
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Both my dogs were on JWB for a few months, and although they didn't have a severe reaction like you've decribed they both had poos a bit too squishy for my liking, and Lucy (my cavalier who has allergies) was very flaky. :-\ As far as i could figure out JWB only has "no added artificial colours/flavours preservatives"
I've now got them both on Autarky (which is a huge amount cheaper!) and they couldn't be better. :D Both really shiny, and Lucy's whole coat texture has changed, she's all soft and lovely now. :D Autarky is also completely free from artificial stuff.
They do add vitamin C tho, i was a bit intrigued and so posted - in the replies Nicola said it's added as a natural preservative ;) posted thread below if anyone wants to read the brilliant info that Gill found about vitamin C ;)
http://www.cockersonline.co.uk/discuss/index.php?topic=29675.0
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i thought animal testing was banned in britain. i was very shocked to read the list of very well known pet food manufacturers testing on animals. i will make sure i boycott all products by all these company's.
i am off now to search for alternatives for my washing powder and stuff.
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We would like a natural food if possible.
Like CraftySam and others I feed BARF. You can't get much more natural that that ;).
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If you want to avoid additives and chemicals, and consider animal welfare issues, then raw feeding is definitely one option - but the source of the meat is an important factor :-\
Cheap supermarket meat tends to be intensively farmed - with the animals fed a processed, additive enriched diet, which builds up in their tissues and can still be present in the meat :-\
Until I found a regular supplier of free-range, additive-free raw meat and bones, I opted to feed the Burns Organic variety of feed......as I felt it was more ethical than some of the raw meat I could buy :(
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i thought animal testing was banned in britain.
oh if only Lyn !!! :'(
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The Vet thinks that it was probably not the feed but I am watching closely. Has anyone else's baby had a reaction to JWB
Jean
I have started to feed our dogs raw food & bones but I fed JWB for many years & I have to say that the dogs did well & didn't suffer any allergic reactions to it. ;)
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Poppy has now settled and her allergic reaction was not due to changing her feed to JWB, she loves it!!
But it has given her wiffy wind!! and a loose stool!!
So we will be looking at Burns and see if that helps.Any one else had that problem?
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Poppy has now settled and her allergic reaction was not due to changing her feed to JWB, she loves it!!
But it has given her wiffy wind!! and a loose stool!!
So we will be looking at Burns and see if that helps.Any one else had that problem?
I dont want to say dont go to Burns (coz Im a Burns Fan!) but how long has Poppy been on JWB and how fast did you change her over to it. If Poppy was put onto JWB without it being gradually introduced then that could make her have a runny tummy or she may need more time to adjust her system to it. I think you said she was on two different puppy foods then JWB so may be the changes are causing the problem. She is a beautiful little dog by the way I just looked up the photos you added in another thread. :luv:
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I agree tihs could have caused the problem, but we changed her feed gradually adding a bit at a time, and will do the same with Burns, hopefully this will settle her down.
She is a bundle of fun none the less.
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I couldn't find a dry food that Baxter got on with, or enjoyed.. so he was on Naturediet for a good while and now he is on bones and raw food. I have regular deliveries from Anglian Meat products and really recommend them. :D
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I use Skinners Rough and Ready. Does anyone know anything about this feed. Have used for some time and not had any problems but not seen anyone on here mention it.
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I use Skinners Rough and Ready. Does anyone know anything about this feed. Have used for some time and not had any problems but not seen anyone on here mention it.
Skinners do a range of Field and Trial foods for working dogs which as far as I know are pretty good although I don't use them myself, I prefer Autarky as it's holistic and more natural and after that would probably go for Chudley's Working Crunch or Performance. The Ruff and Ready is the Skinners 'pet dog' formula and I would think it's probably ok too.
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At last Poppy is happy with Burns and so are we!
Thanks for all your comments it has been extremely helpful.
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I use Skinners Rough and Ready. Does anyone know anything about this feed. Have used for some time and not had any problems but not seen anyone on here mention it.
I use skinners and my guys do fine on it ;)
I have the duck and rice