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Cocker Specific Discussion => Health => Topic started by: SAM -BOB on March 25, 2014, 10:37:44 PM
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Just been told by the vet that Sam has arthritis in his shoulders and elbows (he is 11), he has been prescribed anti inflamiteries but would like to give him natural supplements to help if anyone knows of anything that may help, also thinking of changing him to a raised feeder and a new bed, again any suggestions that will help my now ageing baby boy.
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Sorry to hear that Sam has arthritis. A good glucosamine and chondroitin supplement may help. William has Riaflex, which is expensive but has a higher concentration of both ingredients than any other supplements that I know of. The biggest size pot lasts almost a year.
I'm also currently looking at using Turmeric for both him and me! If you're on Facebook there's a turmeric user group set up by a vet from Australia and used by lots of horse and dog owners. I haven't researched it fully yet but apparently you need to mix the turmeric with either coconut oil or olive oil to make a paste and then add a little black pepper to make it act as efficiently as possible. Sounds revolting :P. As I say, I haven't fully researched it yet but I know that turmeric is a blood thinner so before I take any I'll be checking with my GP that it's safe with the medication I take for high blood pressure.
My dogs have raised beds and I make sure that they never sleep on damp bedding. William is still OK getting in and out of the car but I'll probably end up getting a dog ramp for him. My friend has one for her 12 year old Golden Retriever, Ruby, who has arthritis and it helps her a lot.
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I have been thinking of changing Dylan onto Riaflex he has Yumove at the moment. He is nearly 13 and although he walks okay with no limping he is slower of a morning and on his walks.
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Thanks think I'll try the Riaflex and see how he gets on, will look into the bed and raised feeding bowls over the couple of days thanks again x
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I'm really sorry to hear about Sam's arthritis and hope you can find a way of minimising his discomfort. NSAIDs like Metacam are quite effective and should help a lot. There are lots of claims for the effectiveness of various supplements but most of the evidence is fairly weak. A systematic study (review of other studies) in 2012 in the Journal of Veterinary Internal Medicine concluded that:
The evidence of efficacy of nutraceuticals is poor, with the exception of diets supplemented with omega-3 fatty acids in dogs.
They looked at the usual candidates (glucosamine, chondroitin, MSM etc.) and were specifically considering the clinical signs of the disease - ie effect on the pain felt by the dogs.
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My Alf's 12 years old and has arthritis in his shoulder.
The vet recommended Yumove and he's been on it for a couple of months along with Onsior.
He also has coconut oil everyday.
Not seen a lot of improvement yet so any more suggestions welcome!
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Sorry to hear about Alf's shoulder. As I said above, I don't think there's much evidence for the effectiveness of the constituents of Yumove in treating osteoarthritis. Coconut oil has been promoted as a wonder substance (mainly from unreliable sources) but again the research isn't in place to show this is the case yet. Onsior is robenacoxib and the leaflet says:
A clinical response is normally seen within a week. Treatment should be discontinued after 10 days if no clinical improvement is apparent.
It may be that you should see if the vet thinks it's time to try one of the alternatives which might give better results.
I know we'll all try anything and spend anything to support our dogs, but the reality is that supplements probably aren't that effective (maybe with the exception of omega 3 fatty acids?) and will almost certainly have less therapeutic effect than an NSAID.
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To echo Elaine.e's comments, a friend of mine has had wonderful results after supplementing her old Patterdale's diet with turmeric - well worth looking at I would think.
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Marley (aged 6) has arthritis. Instead of taking the pills prescribed by the vet ( I was concerned about long term side effects) I have gone down a more natural route. She wears a magnetic collar, has Flexi-joints tablets (she gets on better with these than Yumove), has salmon oil, goes to hydrotherapy plus I am very conscious of keeping her weight down and restricting her exercise. I try to avoid walks along hard ground as this can jar her joints. She also has a raised bed to keep her out of draughts.
I can't say definitely that any of these supplements actually work by themselves or as a combination BUT she is a lot better in herself. A year ago the vet was recommending a very invasive operation which involved cutting through the bone and rotating her joint :o but we have avoided this and will continue to do so as long as she maintains her current health.
There may not be any scientific proof of the healing properties of what I use but no one has told Marley ;) :005:
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A clinical response is normally seen within a week. Treatment should be discontinued after 10 days if no clinical improvement is apparent.
It may be that you should see if the vet thinks it's time to try one of the alternatives which might give better results.
Hmmm.. the vet gave me 30 days supply of the Onsior :huh:
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Pleased to hear that Marley is well under her natural treatment regime! I agree that if it's not necessary for her to take drugs at the moment then it's best to avoid them. However, as you say, it's difficult to decide whether it is the supplements that are having any effect or it's just the natural ups and downs of the disease. I took glucosamine and chondroitin for a while to see if it would help with arthritis. It didn't, but some time later the problem eased and has been fine for a long time. If I'd carried on taking a supplement I might be singing its praises now - no less pain just a few less £s.
The reason I keep going on about evidence is that it seems to me that a lot of people have a fairly uncritical and rosy view of "natural" remedies while being unjustifiably suspicious of conventional medicine. I just think it's better if people take a rational view of both. I'm not actually saying these food supplements don't work, just that the evidence isn't yet there. (But also with a bit of suspicion that if they were very effective the evidence would be a lot clearer, and that a lot of the perceived benefit could be due to the placebo effect.)
When it comes to turmeric, it is another compound with a lot of interesting properties which doesn't seem to have emerged as an effective treatment yet. It may well be worth a look, but Arthritis Research UK (human) rate it only as 2 for evidence of effectiveness, which means that there are "important doubts over whether or not it works". It comes well behind capsaicin, frankincense and SAMe, as candidates for self-treatment in their list. For dogs, the systematic study I referenced before found that with P54FP (Indian and Javanese turmeric extract) there was no statistically significant evidence that owners believed it works, that an objective measure of the force that dogs were putting through their joints was not increased, but that researchers believed there was some evidence of clinical improvement.
JanineH - it may be that your vet has experience that some dogs respond later and it's worth persevering for a bit.
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Ozzy is 9 and has arthritis in 4 joints and he started having problems about 2 years ago. He started walking slow hanging his head down and some days would not even go out, which was not like him has he has always had 3 walks a day.
Xrays confirmed arthritis and at this time he was very sore so was given Metacam. My vet also recommended Synoquin (a glucosamine/chondroitin product). There was a big improvement but after about 3 months I started to be concerned about the long term problems associated with Metacam.
I gradually stopped the Metacam and continued with the Synoquin and also added MSM and Green Lipped Muscle
I still use Metacam when needed but that is very rare now.
Recently I looked for a stronger glucosamine product and he now has Riaflex Canine Joint Plus which also contains MSM (same as Elaine.e) and their Green Lipped Muscle.
Also 4 months ago Ozzy started having accupuncture and after a couple of days it was like having my dog back.
There was a slight set back with the accupuncture but because of the good reviews decided to carry on.
And I am really glad we did, he needs a top up every 6 weeks and I have to make sure he does not do to much but he is a different dog to how he was 2 years ago.
I know every dog is different and what works for one will not necessary help another dog but when I see Ozzy trotting away and even having a little play with his friends I now what we are doing at the moment is working.
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Ozzy is 9 and has arthritis in 4 joints and he started having problems about 2 years ago. He started walking slow hanging his head down and some days would not even go out, which was not like him has he has always had 3 walks a day.
Xrays confirmed arthritis and at this time he was very sore so was given Metacam. My vet also recommended Synoquin (a glucosamine/chondroitin product). There was a big improvement but after about 3 months I started to be concerned about the long term problems associated with Metacam.
I gradually stopped the Metacam and continued with the Synoquin and also added MSM and Green Lipped Muscle
I still use Metacam when needed but that is very rare now.
Recently I looked for a stronger glucosamine product and he now has Riaflex Canine Joint Plus which also contains MSM (same as Elaine.e) and their Green Lipped Muscle.
Also 4 months ago Ozzy started having accupuncture and after a couple of days it was like having my dog back.
There was a slight set back with the accupuncture but because of the good reviews decided to carry on.
And I am really glad we did, he needs a top up every 6 weeks and I have to make sure he does not do to much but he is a different dog to how he was 2 years ago.
I know every dog is different and what works for one will not necessary help another dog but when I see Ozzy trotting away and even having a little play with his friends I now what we are doing at the moment is working.
It's lovely to hear how well Ozzy is doing. I remember how down you sounded when you first posted on here about his arthritis. William has acupuncture too, about every 8 weeks or so and always moves more easily for some time afterwards.
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Hello Carol,
It sounds as though you are doing a really good job of managing Ozzy's symptoms and I am delighted that he is enjoying his walks. The important thing is that he gets an effective anti-inflammatory and pain management treatment such as Metacam when he needs it, and then the use of supplements may help to reduce the amount of Metacam he needs to take.
When I try to suggest evidence of effectiveness and safety is important, the main target is not people who use things like food supplements alongside drugs sensibly as part of a treatment regime, but those who shriek that everything that medical science produces is poisoning your pet and that it can all be replaced with perfectly safe, natural products. Most of the websites that do this seem to be American (so far), and it is often tied in with conspiracy theory about "Big pharma" in league with the doctors and the government to keep people buying expensive drugs. It also usually includes condemnation of vaccines (for both pets and humans) that flies in the face of all the benefits of modern medicine.
The only thing I will say is that, despite its many followers, acupuncture doesn't work. There is no physical basis for it as a treatment. There are no energy meridians in the body, no blockages of energy and no such thing as a vital energy flowing round the body. More importantly, there is no convincing evidence that it works. The problem with trying to decide what works on the basis of a single dog is that there is no control group. When properly constructed studies are performed it is found that sham acupuncture, where needles are inserted into random places on the body, is just as effective as "real" acupuncture. The only good thing about it is that it is unlikely to do any harm.
In 2013, the American Academy of Osteopathic Surgeons produced a 1200 page study of various interventions to treat osteoarthritis of the knee. They gave a strong recommendation that acupuncture was not an appropriate treatment because there was no evidence that it works. As always, people will make up their own minds.
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Elaine.e nice of you to remember, yes I was very down when I first posted on here but all the recommendations and advice from COL (yourself included) really helped, both myself and Ozzy.
Hello john51, as you say everyone will make up their own minds.
But all I can say is that when Ozzy has his acupuncture there is such a big improvement that for him it works.
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Elaine.e nice of you to remember, yes I was very down when I first posted on here but all the recommendations and advice from COL (yourself included) really helped, both myself and Ozzy.
Hello john51, as you say everyone will make up their own minds.
But all I can say is that when Ozzy has his acupuncture there is such a big improvement that for him it works.
Totally agree with you about the acupuncture Carol :D. It definitely works for William and puts a spring back into his step.
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It definitely works for William and puts a spring back into his step.
when Ozzy has his acupuncture there is such a big improvement that for him it works.
I hear you! :lol2: We have a completely different understanding of what counts as evidence in medical matters.
As an aside, I have a dog walking acquaintance who has a labrador. She told me one day that her labrador was cured of a significant neurological problem when she sent a photo of the dog to a healer (or was it a heeler? :D) in Leicester.
She also knows that it works. ;)
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It definitely works for William and puts a spring back into his step.
when Ozzy has his acupuncture there is such a big improvement that for him it works.
I hear you! :lol2: We have a completely different understanding of what counts as evidence in medical matters.
As an aside, I have a dog walking acquaintance who has a labrador. She told me one day that her labrador was cured of a significant neurological problem when she sent a photo of the dog to a healer (or was it a heeler? :D) in Leicester.
She also knows that it works. ;)
I do feel that because you are not a believer in alternative therapies and medicines, there is no real need to attempt to ridicule those that do use them. It obviously works for those dogs and their owners who use them - what is the problem. If ever my dogs needed it I would have no hesitation.
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Having had a springy who was diagnosed with the most profound case of osteoarthritis my friend (who is a qualified vet, teaches pathology at Langford and is also an holistic vet too) gave Tessa acupuncture, a dog cannot lie, she would hobble in there on three legs and walk out on four. I realises that the acupuncture isn't a treatment for the arthritis in itself but it most obviously made her feel better. I too am a scientist and find such things difficult to comprehend at times but I know what I saw and I truly believe there is room for all kind of treatments.
I am so pleased that Ozzy is feeling better :luv:
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Elaine.e nice of you to remember, yes I was very down when I first posted on here but all the recommendations and advice from COL (yourself included) really helped, both myself and Ozzy.
Hello john51, as you say everyone will make up their own minds.
But all I can say is that when Ozzy has his acupuncture there is such a big improvement that for him it works.
Totally agree with you about the acupuncture Carol :D. It definitely works for William and puts a spring back into his step.
Same with Wilf and to be honest I trust the vet I deal with (she lectures all over the world re rehabilitation of dogs on various courses at vet schools and is fast becoming an authority on the subject which includes acupuncture, physio, chiropracty etc.) - the same clinic uses the same therapies on cats and horses with good results
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I do feel that because you are not a believer in alternative therapies and medicines, there is no real need to attempt to ridicule those that do use them. It obviously works for those dogs and their owners who use them - what is the problem. If ever my dogs needed it I would have no hesitation.
Was just thinking the same myself :-\
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I am sorry people feel that way about my comments. I do not intend to ridicule anyone, and don't actually believe I have done so. I clearly have a different philosophy about treatment to many on here and am trying to find a way to highlight a different type of thinking. What I did was try to use humour (always a bad idea, I know) to point up the fact that it is very easy to assert something is true, but much more difficult to provide some kind of proof that it is true. This forum offers advice that can affect the life and well-being of dogs. I think, therefore, that it is completely valid to question advice that is based purely on belief and not backed up by some form of evidence. (If, however, I am being criticised for suggesting that faith healing at a distance does not work, then we probably cannot communicate.)
The fact that I don't believe certain therapies are effective is immaterial, and if convincing evidence were produced tomorrow, I would be quite happy to change my mind. I don't actually think that belief should be a significant factor in medicine. The point I have been making in this thread is that although acupuncture is a reasonably popular form of treatment for many, and belief in it is relatively high, it is not backed by any strong positive evidence. Certainly there are many anecdotes about how individual dogs respond, and many professionals who support its use and sell it as a treatment. Also, although I do not doubt that owners are seeing a response in individual dogs it will not be clear what that response relates to, will be affected by bias and inconsistency, and will never constitute evidence for the treatment.
(Poppypuppy09 - with your scientific background, if you have looked at the design requirements, statistics, and sample sizes needed to put together a valid trial, you will realise that it is not possible to prove anything with one dog, no controls and no randomisation or blinding.)
I accept that most people on the forum will not be interested in what I am trying to say, and will be quite happy to spend money on alternative treatments that don't have scientific backing. However, given the implicit and explicit recommendations found on this forum for several types of alternative therapy, I feel that it is perfectly reasonable to give an opposing view, and in many ways an essential counterbalance to what appears to be the prevailing opinion. Not everyone is convinced by alternative medicine.
I have always tried to provide helpful replies to people that are based on logic and science. In this I sometimes find my genuine views in conflict with others and it is not easy. If I occasionally get the tone wrong I apologise.
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Why does it matter so much to you that you be right? If some people have tried alternative therapies and they have worked, for whatever reason, why would you want to dismiss that just because there is no ''scientific evidence'? Is an individuals experience not classed as evidence?
The members are not saying this or that alternative therapy is a miracle and works for all, just in their experience of using whatever therapy, this is the result they noticed.
As a dog owner I am happy to try all forms of treatment and I don't see that as doing my dogs some sort of disservice. :blink:
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Why does it matter so much to you that you be right? If some people have tried alternative therapies and they have worked, for whatever reason, why would you want to dismiss that just because there is no ''scientific evidence'? Is an individuals experience not classed as evidence?
The members are not saying this or that alternative therapy is a miracle and works for all, just in their experience of using whatever therapy, this is the result they noticed.
As a dog owner I am happy to try all forms of treatment and I don't see that as doing my dogs some sort of disservice. :blink:
I agree plus the vets who do practise this are not charlattans either and are if I remember rightly scientists of sorts anyway (as are the health profession in the NHS who use acupunture too - our local physio dept does along with other therapies like massage, chiropracty etc. just as my vet physio/rehab clinic does)
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It definitely works for William and puts a spring back into his step.
when Ozzy has his acupuncture there is such a big improvement that for him it works.
I hear you! :lol2: We have a completely different understanding of what counts as evidence in medical matters.
I have to disagree with you as regards evidence that acupuncture works. I don't have any research papers to hand but there is scientific evidence to back up that it works. Quite how it works is open to debate but MRI studies have shown changes in the brain when needles are inserted at specific points. Whether you believe in traditional chinese medicine and the flow of energy or not there is evidence that acupuncture works on the pain receptors, can improve circulation (thermal imaging done before and after needling shows a raise in temperature). Improving circulation means that more oxygen is available to use and waste products that have built up are more efficiently moved away.
As well as seeing the difference acupuncture can make with hundreds of different dogs, including some of my own. I've also been treated by 2 different people. One needling using Western principles (very painful but effective) or following Traditional Chinese methods (much less painful, with less focus on trigger points and probably more effective) I have had acupuncture for pain and also been treated using 'lung points' while being treated for another problem. My asthma had been playing up and without realising I had been treated was able to cut my use of ventolin within hours of needling.
In work I've seen dogs with severe neurological problems unable to even lift their head return to a normal life following acupuncture in conjunction with physiotherapy.
It also appears that acupuncture even works on sceptics. ;)
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I completely agree with what you say regarding stats, sample sets etc and if you read what I wrote I stated that as a scientist I found it difficult to comprehend but as Mum to a very poorly dog I felt I had nothing to loose...I witnessed what happened time and time again as Tessa was having acupuncture twice a week and it made such a difference to her. My OH has had acupuncture and it did nothing for him.
I haven't researched acupuncture, wasn't even open to it til my friend (a vet of 25 years and lecturer at Langford) suggested we tried because there wasn't much more conventional medicine could do, all I know is my girl came out happy, relaxed and walking on all four legs.....surely that can't be a bad thing :huh:
This forum is here for all, everyone has their own views on everything, I personally like to keep an open mind, let's face it, wether you agree or disagree on acupuncture it's not going to have any long term detrimental affect on the dog, only to the wallet and that's the owners choice ;)
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Yes, there are many studies that show acupuncture works for pain relief. In over 3000 trials, the results are variable. This suggests firstly, a general lack of quality in the trials and then the fact that although it may work to some extent, it is generally not significantly better than placebo, (some researchers attribute it's effects to the placebo effect) and the positive and negative results may just be part of the statistical variability of the trial results. So the evidence is not strong that it is a useful treatment.
However,
Why does it matter so much to you that you be right?
Probably because I am a depressive perfectionist with an emotional need to prove something. (Although I've never minded being told I'm wrong if someone can explain why.)
For anyone interested, I will leave you with a link to a well-argued opinion piece by a Canadian vet. He puts the opposition case to the current thinking that every theory is equally valid and that we must allow equal credence to everything, particularly if natural, ancient or mystical.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1476381/
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Met a woman on the beach today with a severely crippled springer who said she has tried everything and that she can see an improvement since he has been on Turmeric.
I think these things are worth trying as long as there are no adverse side effects listed. We all just want to help our dogs :D
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Absolutely!
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Probably because I am a depressive perfectionist with an emotional need to prove something. (Although I've never minded being told I'm wrong if someone can explain why.)
I'm sorry to hear that, it must be very debilitating :-\
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Here's what my dogs get as a prevention for arthritis or when they have arthritis (which at the moment none of them have despite being nearly 10 and nearly 13):
Salmon and/or coconut oil
Glucosamine/chondroitin/MSM supplement
Turmeric (excellent stuff, also for other inflammatory conditions, my saluki has degenerative disc disease and turmeric works beautifully)
McTimoney chiropractic (realigning the spine and other bones and with that helping them weight bare correctly and minimise incorrect pressure on their joints and keeping muscles tension free).
Other things that can work:
Hydrotherapy
Green lipped mussel extract
Devil's claw
TTouch
Massage (and similar therapies)
Acupuncture
Magnetic collar
And of course most important is keeping their weight low to keep additional strain off their joints.
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Hi there my Charlie 15y/o on 26th is receiving acupuncture every 2nd week moved out from once per week along with Tramadol for pain relief for arthritis in both hips. He is having tramadol and it was felt that NSAIDS for pain relief could upset his fragile gut so vet decided not to prescribe those. He also has disk disease had spinal surgery when he blew 2 disks 9 years ago. He is on a host of supplements since then, Omega 3, Glucosamine/Coindroitin etc. I like that you are getting results with Tumeric and was wondering what dose you are giving and I will try that for Charlie he is 13KG in weight. I have read that some say acupuncture does not help I know it makes my auldie feel better he comes out with a spring in his step which is not bad considering his back legs are getting very weak. That is good enough for me.
Cathy
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I have some turmeric, coconut oil and black pepper at the ready but haven't used them yet. Apparently turmeric works best when combined with coconut oil or olive oil to make a paste and a little black pepper is added, but don't ask me what the science is behind it :dunno:
If you're on Facebook there's a useful group called the Turmeric User's Group, set up by an Ozzie vet.
Nice to hear that Charlie is doing well :D
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Thanks Elaine yes he is still with us has his good and bad days but so far nothing we cant handle. I will look for that group and get myself educated on Turmeric before I do anything as his innards can be easily upset so its a balancing act these days.
Cathy
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If you're on Facebook there's a useful group called the Turmeric User's Group, set up by an Ozzie vet.
Wouldn't be the Bondi Vet, would it :luv: :004: will join tomorrow if so :lol:
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Thanks I have found the group on FB and asked to join.
Cathy
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If you're on Facebook there's a useful group called the Turmeric User's Group, set up by an Ozzie vet.
Wouldn't be the Bondi Vet, would it :luv: :004: will join tomorrow if so :lol:
Sorry no Irene (and I think I read somewhere that the Bondi vet is gay) ph34r
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If you're on Facebook there's a useful group called the Turmeric User's Group, set up by an Ozzie vet.
Wouldn't be the Bondi Vet, would it :luv: :004: will join tomorrow if so :lol:
Sorry no Irene (and I think I read somewhere that the Bondi vet is gay) ph34r
:'(
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I use the turmeric on its own, though my vegan dog does happen to have coconut oil at the same time and my other dog either salmon or coconut oil. I have never added pepper and can't find why we should - other than some people saying so. :005:
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I use the turmeric on its own, though my vegan dog does happen to have coconut oil at the same time and my other dog either salmon or coconut oil. I have never added pepper and can't find why we should - other than some people saying so. :005:
I'll try and find the link and the reason and post it :D
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We've been trying Alf on the turmeric but he just doesn't like the taste. So much so that he was refusing to eat.
Went back to the vet yesterday to find out whether he can stay on the Onsior indefinitely. The answer was 'yes' but we were offered a new drug which apparently is giving good results.
It's called Trocoxil and is given monthly instead of daily. Initial dose is one tablet followed by another after 2 weeks and then monthly after that. So much easier than trying to time a daily tablet an hour before his meal!
Alf's still bouncing around like a two year old but without the limp! I'll report back in a while.
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I also tried Ozzy on just the turmeric a few months ago and he would not eat.
But I have now joined the Turmeric User Group on FB and they recommend that the turmeric should be combined with coconut oil and black pepper.
This is only the second day but he does not notice it in his food, although I am only using a very small amount to start and will build up slowly to make sure it does not upset his sensitive tummy.
I am probably not using enough at the moment for him to have any benefit but I would rather start slow.
I am also trying it myself.
There is a lot of information on the FB group.
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My friend has just started her dog on trocoxil
Harry has been having turmeric for a while - I tend to buy capsules & just put it in his food with coconut oil & ground pepper - with Max I have to wrap the capsule in the coconut oil
Harry went about a week without it, but then when he had off lead or agility he went lame.
He went back on it yesterday so will assess over the next couple of weeks to see if I think it was because of the lack of turmeric
But I also had to start giving Riaflex as couldn't get hold of Cetyl-M in the UK
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So with a bit of ginger and garlic , we can give them a curry!
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Thanks everyone! I've been absorbing your comments with great interest and I think they're a help to relieving Millie's limp and shoulder pain.
The locum vet wants to see her on another matter on Monday and I shall print some of the recommendations and ask for his comments. He seemed willing to discuss things rather than dismiss a worried owner...
Millie will be 13 in 13 days time...
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Alf's been on Trocoxil for 4 months now and is like a 2-year-old again :lol:
Whereas the vet charges £40 per tablet (lasting one month), I can get a 6-month prescription from the vet for £9.85 and buy the tablets online @ £7.99 each!
That's a saving of over £350 per year.
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That too is SO useful: I know there are suspect websites selling suspect medicines. Which website do you use, please, Janine?
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Both Animed Direct or Pet Drugs Online supply them.
Both seem reputable companies.
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Thank you, Janine!
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A quick update:
Queried the cost of these tablets with the vet and they've now decided that the £40 is for TWO tablets ie. 2 months supply.
Still more expensive than online but not quite so bad as we thought!
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Pet Drugs Online are definitely reputable. I did quite a lot of research before choosing to use them to buy William's Optimmune Ointment (he has Dry Eye) a few years ago. I pay £13 for a 6 month repeat prescription from the vet and save approx. £130 per year!
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Thanks, Janine and everyone that's on this thread. Mille has been prescribed Previcox and then Pardale to top it up, but I don't think it's working... We're back to the vet tomorrow and it will be so useful to quote your experiences and the meds your vets have prescribed.
I also have a prescription request to make too...
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/415313751866609/
I think is the turmeric users group...