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Cocker Specific Discussion => Puppies => Topic started by: Angell on March 15, 2017, 06:19:14 PM
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So Chester is now 20 weeks!!!
Getting a little fed up at times with the still continuous biting on an evening???
Mostly after his evening walk!!
Some days I wonder if it will ever end???
Please tell me it will!!!!!!
We attend puppy classes where he is generally really good!
Even been for his first puppy groom( which I was dreading ) and he was an Angel!
Arrrgh [emoji17]
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Might he be too tired or overstimulated? Would a crate rest time/nap time help when you get in from the walk?
I'm doing the brand new puppy thing again for the first time in four years and its been a surprise to remember just how much sleep they need and how overtired they get!
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Puppies can get over excited after they come in from a walk. Maybe it is an adrenaline rush or something similar, I'm not sure.
It might be worth giving your pup a time out with a kong when you get in and hopefully he will have calmed down for a nap when he has finished it.
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So Chester is now 20 weeks!!!
Getting a little fed up at times with the still continuous biting on an evening???
Mostly after his evening walk!!
Some days I wonder if it will ever end???
Please tell me it will!!!!!!
We attend puppy classes where he is generally really good!
Even been for his first puppy groom( which I was dreading ) and he was an Angel!
Arrrgh [emoji17]
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Would it be possible to time the evening walk before his evening meal? Humphrey has his last proper walk at around 5 o clock,- (a bit later innthe summer,) then he has his meal, which seems to calm things down a bit and after that its more or less quiet time, he sometimes has a chew or will potter about but we don't play in the evenings at all.
Chester looks as if butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, so I'm sure you're exaggerating!! ;) :005: :005:
Best of luck!, :D
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We are still in the same boat. Milo is 22 weeks tomorrow and still bitey at times. The rest of he time he's lovely [emoji1360]
I'm beginning to think it's when he's tired or very excited.
We were told to walk him at least twice a day from the puppy trainers but I think maybe we are walking him for too long each time to wear him out. He seems to be having more bitey moments with me and my husband since walking more which he had stopped. So going to cut some of the walking out tomorrow and do some more playtime instead and see if that helps.
Sorry not much help.
We are concerned at times as he jumps up growling, barking and nipping and it's not nice [emoji853]and if I try to grab him to remove him he escalates.
I wish you luck with adorable Chester x
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We are still in the same boat. Milo is 22 weeks tomorrow and still bitey at times. The rest of he time he's lovely [emoji1360]
I'm beginning to think it's when he's tired or very excited.
We were told to walk him at least twice a day from the puppy trainers but I think maybe we are walking him for too long each time to wear him out. He seems to be having more bitey moments with me and my husband since walking more which he had stopped. So going to cut some of the walking out tomorrow and do some more playtime instead and see if that helps.
Sorry not much help.
We are concerned at times as he jumps up growling, barking and nipping and it's not nice [emoji853]and if I try to grab him to remove him he escalates.
I wish you luck with adorable Chester x
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I can remember being really worried that we had an aggressive dog when Henry behaved like that - trust COLers when they tell you it's quite normal! Although it comes across as aggressive, it is still play. I've learned to distinguish Henry's play growls from real growls now (not that he growls much, mostly only when he wakes up to find the cat staring at him!).
Evenings were definitely the last of the bitey times to go. My daughter calls it 'false beans', when the pup has a last rush of energy before bedtime and is too tired to exercise much, if any, impulse control.
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Thank you londongirl for that, sometimes all you need is some reassurance [emoji3] We were beginning to think that if it continues as he gets older then we might have a massive problem especially when it's aimed at the kids. I do think he's just trying to play with them and doesn't like it when I remove him.
Must persevere as best we can, he is lovely 80% of the time, which is better than the first month or so [emoji1360]
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Ah, yes, trying to 'remove' them often just escalates things. It's really tricky. A good long tug toy in this situation is a good idea as puppy can bite and growl away happily and no one is being attacked!
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Sorry I have not responded to your helpful comments! Just got in after a night shift, to a very kissable Chester!
Yes I do wonder if it's an adrenaline thing, it seems to take ages to calm though?
I wonder if trying an earlier walk may work??
At the moment he has a 20 min walk about 9 am, then play in the garden periodically during the day??? Usually sleeps for 3 hrs in the morning, then snoozes during the afternoon, until the excitement of the kids coming in from school??
Then my husband walks him about 7 pm???
We also have the face lunging and biting whilst madly wagging his tail?? Then trying to put him in time out becomes a battle!!! This can be a fair few times in an evening?!!!
I've tried walking out the room instead but my doors are taking the brunt!!
Some days are so lovely!!! And some I'm crying into a large glass of wine wondering what I have done to our family!
I'm so thankful to know he's not the only one haha!!
On a plus side he was unbelievably the best behaved at puppy class yest[emoji23]
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What I tend to do when my 5 month pup starts biting is turn my back and ignore him. He tends to stop very quickly as he knows if he does this then I will not pay him any attention.
I think mine does it when he is over tired, because normally 5/10 minutes later he is fast a sleep.
When I say biting, I don't mean full on aggressive bite. He doesn't seem to press his jaws together as I think he knows it could hurt - if you know what I mean
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My nearly three year old still bites but only when we are playing, she likes a good old play scrap. I have never bothered about it as I know its only play and she never ever bites down. I have always considered it to be good training for a soft mouth but of course I am sure many will think its a bad idea to allow it and that she is showing dominance blah blah, I can assure you she is not she is just playing the way we always have.
No point to the above by the way 😁
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I think 7pm could possibly a bit late for a walk at the moment. Cockers can have a bit of a mad spell in the evening before they finally chill out and maybe the late walk is adding to this.
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Sounds like fairly normal, overtired 'cockerdile' behaviour. Yes, they grow out of it and it usually means they are over-tired or over-excited. Best bet is to wind them down at the end of the day. I think most of us have the torn clothes to remember this time by! You will look back and laugh - honest :005:
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If you're having difficulty getting them into time out I would try leaving a long light lead attached to them in the house so that you can take the end of this to lead them away in a more non-confrontational manner at these times. That way you get to calmly remain in control of the situation rather than the dog sensing it can control the outcome by resorting to aggressive displays.
They are in general likely to grow out of this as they get older I reckon but it is still important to try to establish boundaries of behaviour. My dog certainly had moments that were pretty serious when he was an adolescent and they couldn't be described as playing.
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So had the evening run/walk at 5 yest! Evening lunging continued Arrgh!! Will persevere it hope eventually helps!!
Staring to look a bit strange on the school run with my holey clothes and muddy paw prints on my coat haha!
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So had the evening run/walk at 5 yest! Evening lunging continued Arrgh!! Will persevere it hope eventually helps!!
Staring to look a bit strange on the school run with my holey clothes and muddy paw prints on my coat haha!
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That's how we cocker owners are instantly recognizable!! :005:
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So had the evening run/walk at 5 yest! Evening lunging continued Arrgh!! Will persevere it hope eventually helps!!
Staring to look a bit strange on the school run with my holey clothes and muddy paw prints on my coat haha!
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That's how we cocker owners are instantly recognizable!! :005:
Think your right !!! Lol
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So had the evening run/walk at 5 yest! Evening lunging continued Arrgh!! Will persevere it hope eventually helps!!
Staring to look a bit strange on the school run with my holey clothes and muddy paw prints on my coat haha!
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That's how we cocker owners are instantly recognizable!! :005:
Indeed, I have never been a scruffy sod UNTIL she came to live with us. Now I don't see the point of wearing anything decent as within seconds I am full of mud. Ruddy cockers 😁
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So had the evening run/walk at 5 yest! Evening lunging continued Arrgh!! Will persevere it hope eventually helps!!
Staring to look a bit strange on the school run with my holey clothes and muddy paw prints on my coat haha!
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Have you tried giving him a bone to chew on in the evenings?
The first time I gave Milo one it kept him busy for ages, just a thought.
Obviously if you do you need to take out some of his general food to compensate.
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So had the evening run/walk at 5 yest! Evening lunging continued Arrgh!! Will persevere it hope eventually helps!!
Staring to look a bit strange on the school run with my holey clothes and muddy paw prints on my coat haha!
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Have you tried giving him a bone to chew on in the evenings?
The first time I gave Milo one it kept him busy for ages, just a thought.
Obviously if you do you need to take out some of his general food to compensate.
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Yes he loves a bone that's the only time he's still lol
I do think he seems particularly bad again at the moment as teeth are dropping out and new ones popping through rapidly!
Just some days seem horrendous!!
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So had the evening run/walk at 5 yest! Evening lunging continued Arrgh!! Will persevere it hope eventually helps!!
Staring to look a bit strange on the school run with my holey clothes and muddy paw prints on my coat haha!
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Have you tried giving him a bone to chew on in the evenings?
The first time I gave Milo one it kept him busy for ages, just a thought.
Obviously if you do you need to take out some of his general food to compensate.
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Yes he loves a bone that's the only time he's still lol
I do think he seems particularly bad again at the moment as teeth are dropping out and new ones popping through rapidly!
Just some days seem horrendous!!
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Yeah I know how you feel, some days I just want to give up. He has me in tears at times.
I feel bad for my kids, my 4yr old is either sat on stairs behind stair gate or on the table cos he just goes for her [emoji853], my sofas seen better days (luckily it's old and will be getting replaced...maybe give it a while though lol) my garden won't be winning any prizes, my carpet needs washing..again. The list is endless.
I certainly never expected having a puppy to be like this.. had I, I probably wouldn't have got him. Still he is getting better and is so lovely at times but it's a lot of work and I'm still hopeful it will be worth it in the end 🤞🏼
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So had the evening run/walk at 5 yest! Evening lunging continued Arrgh!! Will persevere it hope eventually helps!!
Staring to look a bit strange on the school run with my holey clothes and muddy paw prints on my coat haha!
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Have you tried giving him a bone to chew on in the evenings?
The first time I gave Milo one it kept him busy for ages, just a thought.
Obviously if you do you need to take out some of his general food to compensate.
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Yes he loves a bone that's the only time he's still lol
I do think he seems particularly bad again at the moment as teeth are dropping out and new ones popping through rapidly!
Just some days seem horrendous!!
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Yeah I know how you feel, some days I just want to give up. He has me in tears at times.
I feel bad for my kids, my 4yr old is either sat on stairs behind stair gate or on the table cos he just goes for her [emoji853], my sofas seen better days (luckily it's old and will be getting replaced...maybe give it a while though lol) my garden won't be winning any prizes, my carpet needs washing..again. The list is endless.
I certainly never expected having a puppy to be like this.. had I, I probably wouldn't have got him. Still he is getting better and is so lovely at times but it's a lot of work and I'm still hopeful it will be worth it in the end 🤞🏼
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You sound exactly like us!! My son who's 9 still gets his feet attacked on a daily basis!!
My errrr "garden" is now a mud pit with a few tufts of grass!
I spend my life constantly cleaning the kitchen floor!!
I just keep saying to myself that it will get better and one day we will be that family walking through the countryside and enjoying him!! Not feeling constantly stressed because his recall is rubbish and wants to jump up everyone that passes by??Hahaha!!
I try really hard with all the trainers advice but unless there's sausages as a treat he's not that bothered?!
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Lol [emoji23] it's 'nice' to know I'm not alone. I could moan on all day about it all.
I found Milo pretty good with his training, although class has finished now (thank god as he wasn't a joy to take, with the waiting around and too much excitement of the other pups) but trying to use it in everyday life just gone out the window. Like you said if a treat is in hand he's perfect but if I ask him to sit stay whilst I go in the utility room to sort washing he's shoots in b4 me [emoji35] and don't get me started on heel work...non existent [emoji848]
We all dream of being that family having a nice stroll through the countryside on a Sunday after noon...one eh? 🤞🏼
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A few tips from those days, which I remember well!
Bully/pizzle sticks are brilliant chews for pup. Completely natural and last for ages. Some of them stink, but the ones I get from Amazon (called Best Bully Sticks, I think) hardly smell at all.
To get them to stay longer in a sit-stay or a down, you have to build up the time very gradually and methodically. Google the 300 Peck method, where you add literally one second at a time, and start over from zero if they break the sit. It works really well, it makes a good game, and they do learn! I am very specific about adding 'stay' to a sit command. 'Wait' just means 'hang on a sec' but stay means stay. We haven't got it perfect, but if you start now, you'll have it down in no time.
You can also teach them to 'go to your mat' when you a teaching a longer stay - I have a mat or bed in each room where if I send him there, he has to lie down and be calm. You can start this when they are really young. Again, you have to build up the time they stay very gradually.
They are much worse when they are teething, and there's not much you can do about that except grin and bear it and know it does pass, honestly!
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It night seem as though you will never get there, but one day you will be out on that lovely family country walk and laugh as you remember the cockerdile of old.
Trust me, it will happen. It just that cockers take longer to get there than your 'normal' dogs.
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A few tips from those days, which I remember well!
Bully/pizzle sticks are brilliant chews for pup. Completely natural and last for ages. Some of them stink, but the ones I get from Amazon (called Best Bully Sticks, I think) hardly smell at all.
To get them to stay longer in a sit-stay or a down, you have to build up the time very gradually and methodically. Google the 300 Peck method, where you add literally one second at a time, and start over from zero if they break the sit. It works really well, it makes a good game, and they do learn! I am very specific about adding 'stay' to a sit command. 'Wait' just means 'hang on a sec' but stay means stay. We haven't got it perfect, but if you start now, you'll have it down in no time.
You can also teach them to 'go to your mat' when you a teaching a longer stay - I have a mat or bed in each room where if I send him there, he has to lie down and be calm. You can start this when they are really young. Again, you have to build up the time they stay very gradually.
They are much worse when they are teething, and there's not much you can do about that except grin and bear it and know it does pass, honestly!
Haha!
Thankyou
The trainer had given us a bully stick to try, which he loved!! I just couldn't bare the smell, truly awful! So will definitely look at the ones on Amazon!!
He's good generally when we do training games, it all just goes to pot when he's on one [emoji38]
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It night seem as though you will never get there, but one day you will be out on that lovely family country walk and laugh as you remember the cockerdile of old.
Trust me, it will happen. It just that cockers take longer to get there than your 'normal' dogs.
I do hope so [emoji4]
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A few tips from those days, which I remember well!
Bully/pizzle sticks are brilliant chews for pup. Completely natural and last for ages. Some of them stink, but the ones I get from Amazon (called Best Bully Sticks, I think) hardly smell at all.
To get them to stay longer in a sit-stay or a down, you have to build up the time very gradually and methodically. Google the 300 Peck method, where you add literally one second at a time, and start over from zero if they break the sit. It works really well, it makes a good game, and they do learn! I am very specific about adding 'stay' to a sit command. 'Wait' just means 'hang on a sec' but stay means stay. We haven't got it perfect, but if you start now, you'll have it down in no time.
You can also teach them to 'go to your mat' when you a teaching a longer stay - I have a mat or bed in each room where if I send him there, he has to lie down and be calm. You can start this when they are really young. Again, you have to build up the time they stay very gradually.
They are much worse when they are teething, and there's not much you can do about that except grin and bear it and know it does pass, honestly!
Thanks londongirl some really good advice, I will google the 300 peck method.
I saw the bully sticks mentioned on another thread possibly by you? and did look them up and they were quite expensive but anything that helps is great [emoji1360]
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One bully stick will last a pup several days.
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Going through this too and having the 'why did I do this???' moments - at 12 weeks most of the time he's a very painful set of teeth on legs, obsessed with biting me, chasing the cats or trying to poison himself, pausing frequently to pee or poo in the wrong place!
I keep reminding myself that with Pops that manic, bitey, PITA puppy really did turn into the gorgeous, gorgeous girl she was - who was (mostly) trained, so easy to have around and so much fun to be outside with. I may have to write it down and stick it on the fridge. When I'm walking through the lounge with Tolly's teeth locked into my trousers so I'm dragging him along after me, or he flying tackles me on the sofa to bite my hair I keep repeating over and over, this will pass. This WILL pass.
Can it just please pass a bit quicker?
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Going through this too and having the 'why did I do this???' moments - at 12 weeks most of the time he's a very painful set of teeth on legs, obsessed with biting me, chasing the cats or trying to poison himself, pausing frequently to pee or poo in the wrong place!
I keep reminding myself that with Pops that manic, bitey, PITA puppy really did turn into the gorgeous, gorgeous girl she was - who was (mostly) trained, so easy to have around and so much fun to be outside with. I may have to write it down and stick it on the fridge. When I'm walking through the lounge with Tolly's teeth locked into my trousers so I'm dragging him along after me, or he flying tackles me on the sofa to bite my hair I keep repeating over and over, this will pass. This WILL pass.
Can it just please pass a bit quicker?
This has made me laugh!
I am soooooo glad that it's not just Chester that has a thing for biting hair!!!
It really does make me feel better that there are cocker households all over all going through the same predicaments [emoji23]
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One bully stick will last a pup several days.
Well my best bully sticks arrived (thank you for the tip [emoji3]) and I think I may have ordered ones that were too slim as the boy had munched it all within 40mins lol.
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This all had me laughing out loud! It is so wonderful to be able to commiserate with other Cockerdile parents. My mouthy little girl is obsessed with every part of my body... my hair, toes, nose, you name it. Sometimes I wonder if she's possessed by some sort of chewing demon. I get up and walk away, usually the lack of attention gets her to stop. Bully sticks (unscented, please) work wonders, but usually I steam some baby carrots then freeze them and surprisingly they do the trick! It is certainly true that the more over tired they get, the crazier they become. Today no one listened or adhered to her little schedule so she got no sleep, and was an absolute naughty monster. I have the battle wounds to prove it. [emoji24]
I'm sure one day we will all look back with smiles but for now, ouch! Best of luck to you, your skin + clothing.
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Am very glad I logged in to this thread as going through exactly the same with my 5 month old cocker (working strain) - she is so very, very bitey and so very, very willful - 'NO' doesn't register - just keeps on doing it regardless of time outs, etc. Was worried about the biting as her little face looks so feral when she's doing it - always when she wakes up from a doze, usually after feeding and often just cos she feels like it! What's so familiar as well is that she is really bright and doing great at puppy class and with all the commands, great recall when out - so why doesn't she understand what is unwanted behaviour???
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We've had a better week where there were.... shhhh!..... some cuddles! Actual cuddles, without teeth.
I've been rigid on routine, and watched like a hawk and figured out he has about a 90 minute cycle of wake/sleep. So he's been going in his crate for a schedule nap every 90 minutes, and he's been out for the count within two minutes and sometimes he's slept for two hours or more. And the difference Is Huge. Huge.
Now starting to recognise manic bitey monster as in urgent need of a nap.
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I think you are so right!! Chester is like two different dogs at times!!
So yest two nice walks, lots of rest as I was busy doing some work, he was a pure pleasure last evening!! Cuddling with the kids! Let me brush him and very minimal bitey times!
Today because he was at the groomer this morning when he usually has a long sleep, he's over tired! Bitey! Jumpy and a general pain in the behind!! [emoji23]
Will he give in..... Oh no!!!
Roll on Tom !!![emoji30][emoji23][emoji190]
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Am very glad I logged in to this thread as going through exactly the same with my 5 month old cocker (working strain) - she is so very, very bitey and so very, very willful - 'NO' doesn't register - just keeps on doing it regardless of time outs, etc. Was worried about the biting as her little face looks so feral when she's doing it - always when she wakes up from a doze, usually after feeding and often just cos she feels like it! What's so familiar as well is that she is really bright and doing great at puppy class and with all the commands, great recall when out - so why doesn't she understand what is unwanted behaviour???
One of main problems is they also haven't bonded strongly with owners enough to listen to command either especially when they get overexcited
Often just doing basic training (of any sorts) combined with games/fun stuff is very useful for getting them to bond with you
Plus working cockers often need (brain) stimulation as well as exercise that will also help with stuff like this (but beware not to overstimulate as they can tip over in to overexcitement too) - the more tired they are the less chance for nortiness
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You will all come out the other side, but it can go on for a long while! My wcs was really good as a pup, but my lab was about 2 before the puppy behaviour stopped and she matured into a well behaved dog. Unfortunately people are attracted by the cuteness of a puppy and don't realise how hard, exhausting and emotionally draining owning a puppy is, sadly this is why rescues get so many under 12 month old puppies in, because the owners just give up! Cocker spaniels are demanding, as are many other breeds, they are energetic, like human contact, can be noisy and enjoy life! Make sure you have boundaries, and stick to them. They need to learn what is acceptable and what is not, through positive training methods. Reward them when they are good and teach them that NO, means NO. Letting a puppy do just what it likes will only cause problems in the future.
Although it seems really hard work at the moment you will get there, it won't last forever.
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Our jet has been a nightmare the last 2 days ,I look like I am trying to self harm I have that many bites on my arms and legs ...I feel really guilty keep giving him time outs ..but reading your comments I am sure he will come through...I have tried other toys,socks etc and getting up and walking away ( he just attaches himself to our clothing ) can't wait for it to pass
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We over stimulate puppies. Humans can't help it!
The older dumped or stray pups I know of in Greece, lucky enough to get fostered in homes with other dogs, are all the most laid back and vice free bunch! Mostly spaniel or setter or hound types, they have had their first months being put in place by adult dogs, but with friendly care from the humans.
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I'm reading this with interest. Our 5 month old working cocker has us a bit confused. Largely he is gentle and playful. But we had a few episode where he has really snapped sometimes with a growl. This happens when
He is frustrated, if we are taking something he really wants. And once to my daughter who chose a bad time to hug him. This is different to puppy nipping as people have said. The feral look! Usually we exchange things but on these couple of occasions it has been so quick or unexpected we haven't been able to. And we have been so cross we have shouted and removed him whih is perhaps not the best thing. We are doing lots of training with him and he gets a lot of exercise.
I am reassuring myself that he has bite inhibition as it doesn't realy hurt and doesn't break the skin. But it worries me it will escalate. I wonder if this is normal cockerdile behaviour? Or if I should be more concerned.?
Advice would be great
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Just wondering if he is getting too tired and over stimulated, puppies need quite a lot of rest during their growing period.
I have found with all three of mine in turn when youngsters, that once they start getting nippy and growly it is often because they need to sleep, so I pick them up if possible and if not lure them into the crate with a treat and let them sleep till they wake. Don't let the children disturb him whilst he is asleep. (I don't have children, but I imagine it can be very tempting for them to want to play even if puppy does not).
The 'cockerdile stage is most frustrating, but hopefully will not last too long.
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I'm reading this with interest. Our 5 month old working cocker has us a bit confused. Largely he is gentle and playful. But we had a few episode where he has really snapped sometimes with a growl. This happens when
He is frustrated, if we are taking something he really wants. And once to my daughter who chose a bad time to hug him. This is different to puppy nipping as people have said. The feral look! Usually we exchange things but on these couple of occasions it has been so quick or unexpected we haven't been able to. And we have been so cross we have shouted and removed him whih is perhaps not the best thing. We are doing lots of training with him and he gets a lot of exercise.
I am reassuring myself that he has bite inhibition as it doesn't realy hurt and doesn't break the skin. But it worries me it will escalate. I wonder if this is normal cockerdile behaviour? Or if I should be more concerned.?
Advice would be great
I think you have to be aware of body language and the sorts of scenarios when he might go straight to snapping rather than being happy with an exchange for a treat. Tiredness is definitely something that can exacerbate this as Mudmagnets already said. It might also be that he is allocating different values to things he has, and so where he might be happy to swap a tissue for a treat as he doesn't care about it so much, he wouldn't be happy to swap a sock for the same treat as he has attached a higher value to the sock and will snap if an approach is made. Obviously he will have his own hierarchy of value for objects and your job is to identify this, and have your own corresponding valuable exchanges - so the treat he loves the most in exchange for something high value. More of that particular treat if it is especially valuable to him. It is best to encourage him to come to you for the treat rather than going to him as he may find that more threatening, but feels more like it is his choice when he makes the movement to you.
With the snapping at your daughter I would say if you can get her involved in the dog's training that might help and if she is the one to feed the dog he may start to respect her more and be less inclined to impatience and snappiness. She should demand that he fulfils a few commands that she gives before giving him food - sit, lie down, paw...whatever he knows really.
Good luck! It is a difficult age and may continue for a few months. We also found neutering made a dramatic change to this sort of behaviour in our dog.