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Cocker Specific Discussion => Genetics & Breeding => Topic started by: chrisfund on January 08, 2005, 07:31:53 PM

Title: Hock Height
Post by: chrisfund on January 08, 2005, 07:31:53 PM: Hello All.

It's been already 57days since our little boys and girls were born.

the weak one got much stronger. weight as much as others. a few hundred grams less though.

We evaluated our dogs tonight. And I wonder how high should the hock be at this age?

would three fifth be enough or one third be enough ?

Or just shorter the better?

My wife and I had some argument about that topic. We decided to post that question on cockersonline.

Here goes standing position picture at the age of 57 days.

Any comments about our dogs' structural conformation would be appreciated.

(http://cocker.natoo.net/online/ocean.jpg)
Ocean
(http://cocker.natoo.net/online/david.jpg)
David
(http://cocker.natoo.net/online/funny.jpg)
Funny
(http://cocker.natoo.net/online/Ruby.jpg)
Ruby
Title: Hock Height
Post by: Dessie on January 08, 2005, 07:54:08 PM: Hi Chris

What a lovely litter of Puppies you have.

I'm no expert on hocks sorry but I must say I like Ocean and Funny. It is difficult to assess them as they are all standing so differently. I'm sure whichever ones you keep they will do you proud.

Good luck with them.
Title: Hock Height
Post by: Luvly on January 08, 2005, 08:06:27 PM: :luv:
Title: Hock Height
Post by: tobycat on January 08, 2005, 09:20:38 PM: I don't know much about it but Ocean would be my pick of the litter too :D
Title: Hock Height
Post by: shaz on January 08, 2005, 09:26:40 PM: i too like ocean and funny, but in my experiance every judge likes diffrent things in cockers and have thier own prefrence , but i'm sure someone will come along soon to help you with the hock question.
Title: Hock Height
Post by: lindsey on January 08, 2005, 09:31:35 PM: I think that the hock and angulation looks best on Ocean, although thats just my opinion. I also like the short cobby body of Ocean. :) They all look like they have nice heads!
Title: Hock Height
Post by: Gilly on January 08, 2005, 09:44:23 PM: I would say Ocean, but the other puppies are better marked.

All lovely puppies though :)
Title: Hock Height
Post by: catwillow on January 08, 2005, 10:17:46 PM: My fave is defiantely Ocean, lovely stand.... looks gorgeous :D
Title: Hock Height
Post by: speedyjaney on January 08, 2005, 10:36:44 PM: I am definately no expert but my fave is Ruby...she looks smaller than the others and therefore I want to have her and feed her up and cuddle her all day long :D

Funny has beautiful markings I think :)

Janey
Title: Hock Height
Post by: Magic Star on January 08, 2005, 10:52:13 PM: :D Ohhh they are just gorgeous, I know zilch about showing, but my favourite out of them is "Funny" gorgeous markings and a lovely head :)
Title: Hock Height
Post by: Jane S on January 08, 2005, 11:22:40 PM: I'd say Funny has the best rear angulation of the litter, although photos can be deceiving. Ruby is also nice but maybe a bit lighter in her frame. Often straight angulation results in longer rear pasterns but I have to admit it's not something we ever measure when looking at our puppies. At this age it can be deceptive anyway - I remember someone dismissing our Rhona (who went on to great things) as being "long in the hock" when she was a baby but she wasn't at all - it was just the stage of development she was at ;)

Jane
Title: Hock Height
Post by: PennyB on January 09, 2005, 01:02:10 AM: Quote
I am definately no expert but my fave is Ruby...she looks smaller than the others and therefore I want to have her and feed her up and cuddle her all day long :D

Funny has beautiful markings I think :)

Janey
I haven't got a clue but like janey I love Ruby (but then I'm biased having a Ruby myself)
Title: Hock Height
Post by: chrisfund on January 09, 2005, 03:48:47 AM: Thank you.

Thanks all for the lovely posts.

Did you notice the weak one born with weight of 100gram is David? :P

He grew up so nice. We appreciate his efforts for surviving and her mom,sharon. She took care of him so well and lost a little bit weight and that is a good thing for her cuz she was a little bit fatty before got pregnant. :D
Title: Hock Height
Post by: betastorm on January 09, 2005, 08:35:09 AM: Hi Chris

Your puppys are beautiful! I particularly like Funny. :D Are you keeping any of them?
Title: Hock Height
Post by: chrisfund on January 10, 2005, 01:09:14 AM: Quote
Hi Chris

Your puppys are beautiful! I particularly like Funny. :D Are you keeping any of them?
I'm not sure that you already know that I am living in Korea.

My wife and I are the first people who introduced blueroan cocker spaniel to Korea.

And there are only 3 english cocker spaniel breeders here in Korea.

Two of them have american type english cocker spaniels.

So I should admit that we have some difficulties establishing a certain breeding program.

This time, my wife and I decided to keep a boy and a girl.

We evaluated our litter at 8 weeks. and decided keep Ocean and Funny.
Title: Hock Height
Post by: betastorm on January 10, 2005, 07:45:31 AM: Quote
We evaluated our litter at 8 weeks. and decided keep Ocean and Funny.
Chris

Yes I did see you were in Korea, I am always amazed how perfect your English is, better than most of us. :lol:

It looks like you have picked everyones favourite pups to keep. :D
Title: Hock Height
Post by: cbabe on January 10, 2005, 09:36:55 AM: Funny is my favourite - now i'm going to see what everyone else has said!

Clare x
Title: Hock Height
Post by: Dunton4 on January 10, 2005, 10:41:46 AM: Thanks for posting these lovely photos Chris. They are all gorgeous :wub:. I have really enjoyed looking at them all and reading the comments from the others.

Good luck and lots of fun with Ocean and Funny.

Sue and Tilly
Title: Hock Height
Post by: Dessie on January 10, 2005, 12:23:24 PM: Quote
We evaluated our litter at 8 weeks. and decided keep Ocean and Funny.
I think you have made a very good choice but that is the two that I picked ;)

Look forward to seeing further pics when they are older.
Title: Hock Height
Post by: Colin on January 10, 2005, 12:23:25 PM: Hi Chris

What a great looking litter of puppies, you must be so proud of them. Good to see David looking so well after the initial worries you had over him - he looks very similar to my Misty did as a pup. :)

Out of interest, what breeds are popular in Korea ?
Title: Hock Height
Post by: chrisfund on January 10, 2005, 01:03:20 PM: Thank you all for the lovely compliments.

Colin,the most popular breed in korea is American Cocker Spaniel. I can see 100~200 american cocker spaniels at regular shows. sometimes about three hundred american cocker spaniels at a big show.

Comparing to the fact that about 600 dogs are being shown at the FCI shows in Korea, I think it's a big number.

Talking about english cocker spaniels, usually two or three dogs are being shown at one class. :(

Whenever we go to dog shows, BOBs are always an inch away. :D

No solid colors have been shown at the shows till now. Maybe I should do something about it if I can get a chance someday.
Title: Hock Height
Post by: Colin on January 10, 2005, 02:24:06 PM: That's really interesting, I wasn't expecting them to be the most popular. I suppose it's far easier to import dogs from the USA than Europe so presumably that explains the popularity of the American Cocker over the English. Given such a high percentage of them at shows I would guess most of the American Cockers are home bred in Korea now though ?

With people being more used to seeing the American version around they must be quite puzzled to see your Cockers out on walks. I bet you have to explain the difference on a regular basis. :D
Title: Hock Height
Post by: lizzy on January 10, 2005, 02:37:06 PM: Hi Chris,

I don't know how I missed this thread, your puppies are just gorgeous. My fave is little Ruby, she looks so pretty and sweet, but the others are beautiful too!
Title: Hock Height
Post by: Dessie on January 10, 2005, 03:01:39 PM: Chris

I'm sure the BOB's will soon come your way having taken a look at Lucky & Sharon, who I'm presuming are the proud parents of the puppies :D You should have some fun with them.