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Behaviour & Training / Re: Light at the end of the tunnel
« Last post by Pearly on Yesterday at 11:10:11 PM »
Well it sounds like good progress, cant offer advice on the warm game as I chucked eze in at the deep end from dummie to huge cock pheasant. Why will you not be working this side of Xmas ?


Thanks both  :D

She's not steady enough yet and I don't want to rush her into working until I know she's 100%  ;).

She has picked warm game before, also cold game but not since the start of the year.  I took all the pressure off to focus on basic obedience which has paid dividends although at the fist "summer school" in April she had little interest in retrieving dummies, blinking to hunt on which is what she is doing with warm game  :-\ the difference now is that I can pull her off hunting and redirect her onto the rabbit/bird plus she is marking them which she wouldn't in April (only focussed on me).  Appreciate pigeons have a lot of feathers but she has picked those in the past as well!

Michelle - she did retrieve the birds when under pressure from another dog or really wound up /excited by the trainer!
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Behaviour & Training / Re: Light at the end of the tunnel
« Last post by Emilyoliver on Yesterday at 09:44:53 PM »
Well done! Excellent progress 😀. Sorry if I missed it, but will she retrieve cold game?
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Behaviour & Training / Re: Light at the end of the tunnel
« Last post by ips on Yesterday at 09:22:59 PM »
Well it sounds like good progress, cant offer advice on the warm game as I chucked eze in at the deep end from dummie to huge cock pheasant. Why will you not be working this side of Xmas ?
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Behaviour & Training / Re: I need urgent advice please
« Last post by Sarahsdogs on Yesterday at 09:12:22 PM »
Thank you for your responses. They have both been spayed so don't think hormones are the issue. I know it's not "cocker rage" but I don't think my mum does! I'm just annoyed her vet said that that was the reason. Mollie has been checked over and has been prescribed with medication which can help with her symptoms, she spends a lot of time staring into space in the middle of the room and barking at nothing in perticular so I'm sure that confuses Pippa. I know when they took blood they checked for liver problems but don't know about thyroid though but will check. During the day I don't find keeping the dogs separate too much of a problem as I swap them over every hour and a half and they get one to one attention and to be honest Mollie likes her own space and sleeps quite a bit. As for walks they both need different types of walks so need walking seperate walks anyway. Evenings and weekends are harder as 4 of us in the house and not everyone is as careful with keeping doors closed. I will keep them seperate until the behaviourist and see what she says.
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Behaviour & Training / Light at the end of the tunnel
« Last post by Pearly on Yesterday at 08:52:45 PM »
It seems to have gone in a blink but after 2.5 years, at long last I see the improvement in Coral, so much so that I trust her  :luv:

She no longer runs off and would rather stay with me - she's completely focused when out working and takes hand signals as well as whistle. Retrieving dummies is no issue, marks, straight out and straight back to hand.  She will stop at distance and stays there until released - however long that is.

Saturday on the walk she was really good.  Stayed close when asked, hunted well when asked and played/didn't hunt when released.  The only misdemeanour was due to me not paying attention and Coral scenting a pheasant, which she duly flushed then chased - but - came back quickly.  Still a work in progress on steadiness.....when faced with game!

Sunday she worked well in a local wood, had 3 retrieves (all difficult, including a go-back which 2 months ago she couldn't have done without hunting every inch of woodland on the way...)

Yesterday.  We headed up to North Wales for help with steadiness and stock training.  She was sat up by a gate while a flock of sheep were herded past her at some speed - and didn't move a paw.  The sheep were moved around the field, around her and she sat fast  :o  the trainer then moved us onto pigeons which she flushed two, sat on shot but wouldn't retrieve  :huh: (flushed a third and chased it  >:D ) so work in progress......after which she went in to the pen.  Flushed a rabbit, was moving so fast she ran through the stop whistle but.....checked herself and corrected back to where the whistle was blown!  To say we were both pleased was an understatement  :clapping:

I now need to work on her retrieve of game - she didn't want to pick up a warm rabbit the previous training session and this time the warm pigeons.  I currently have a partridge defrosting to do some training tomorrow and suspect she will pick it up ok - any hints on getting her to retrieve warm game?

We still have a long way to go but I wanted to share - not least for anyone else out there with a wayward, self rewarding, self hunting spaniel......it can be done, it just takes time and allowance for a lot of growing up/maturing.  She has far better impulse control now, noticeably better in the last month - Coral is now 31 months old!

It's unlikely she will be out working this side of Christmas but I have hope that January will see her out for a few drives over a few days  :angel:

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Behaviour & Training / Re: I need urgent advice please
« Last post by hoover on Yesterday at 08:27:18 PM »
Unfortunately I don't see this situation getting any better- I think your older dog, due to the dementia, is not now capable of the 'normal' social interactions that would protect her from a younger dog that is capable of the reactions that your Pippa is having. The dementia will influence her behaviour so that in, doggy language, she stares inappropriately, walks past close when she would otherwise not, and it also means she is not likely capable of learning new responses that would protect her. The horror that dementia is - I don't see this improving and in fact her 'inappropriate responses' which trigger Pippa's behaviour are likely to increase.

Whether Pippa has cocker rage or not it sounds like she would struggle to inhibit her responses and if neither dog is capable of learning that will be very hard.  My dog Ollie I feel would be similar, as although we haven't met other dogs with issues recently, when he was younger he responded very poorly and snappily to disabled dogs and dogs not capable of the usual social interactions that govern doggy behavioural dynamics.  We feel we can't get another dog for as long as he is with us.

It sounds like they both need the right circumstances to flourish and have quality of life, but those circumstances might not be with each other  :-\
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Behaviour & Training / Re: I need urgent advice please
« Last post by lescef on Yesterday at 07:53:30 PM »
I believe that cocker rage is very very rare, but I feel for you as living with dogs that can't get on is very stressful.
I have read that  if an older  dog is ill or ageing then the dynamics can change and the younger one is picking up on this.  Maybe the house move is still upsetting her.
For various reasons my older one started attacking my younger one and it was dreadful as I didn't know when (or why particularly at the time) it would happen. You are right to keep them separate which I know is hard, but you don't want the behaviour being practised as it becomes learned behaviour, as I'm sure you know. We had to give Maddie, the one doing the attacking, a month of absolute stress free time before the behaviourist came to work with us. I also had to learn not to show my anxiety when it happened - just treat it as an everyday occurrence, which I can do now. Fortunately it doesn't happen often now.
Not the same situation as you but hopefully a behaviourist will be able to help. Good luck.
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Behaviour & Training / Re: I need urgent advice please
« Last post by Pearly on Yesterday at 07:29:27 PM »
You are right!  "Cocker rage" is as rare as hens teeth, it's linked to epilepsy (or so a white paper I've read suggested) and although there is some thought process that it may be genetically linked it would be hugely coincidental that two dogs from the same litter would be affected, it also manifests at a young age  :-\ IMO

You are also right that the Vet is making assumptions and one I would not be happy about - how can a Vet that hasn't seen your dog know?

We have four bitches.  The have the odd spat as you describe and sometimes it's a bit more serious - the intact female is currently in a phantom pregnancy; we've known before she's showing because she launches herself at one of the others for no reason other than they walked past whatever she decided to guard (bottom of the stairs at the moment).  This is just hormonal and will pass although the older dog is frightened of her and is already an anxious dog - of course this is likely to be the reason that's she's the target.

I would be taking Mollie to the vets for a check up.  It's plausible that the balance you've had in the house for sometime is impaired if Mollie is less firm and Pippa knows this.  Are either intact?

Has Pippa been checked for thyroid problems?  Losing weight and The Behaviour you've described are both symptomatic.  Others on here will advise better which test to ask for.

Three weeks is not very long to keep the girls separate, it would be worth waiting until the behaviourist you know is available before making any decisoins.  Likewise, it would be better for your Mums dog to be assessed by the behaviourist, it sounds to me as though the Vet is just grasping at the first idea to enter their head  >:D

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Behaviour & Training / I need urgent advice please
« Last post by Sarahsdogs on Yesterday at 05:38:59 PM »
I haven't been on here for ages but I really need some advice. My younger cocker pippa who is 8 keeps going for Mollie my older dog. About 4 years ago pippa started to guard us from Mollie, if we stroked pippa and Mollie approached, pippa would attack Mollie. We got a behaviourist in who showed us how to manage the situation and it all things were calm except for the occasional instance when someone forgot our rules. About 5 months ago pippa started to attack Mollie again, I thought it was a bit of stress as we had moved house and Mollie, who is now 11 was diagnosed with a bit of dementia and was acting a bit weird and we thought maybe she was giving confusing signals to pippa. I got Pippa checked over at the vets to make sure there was no medical reason  for her behaviour and he said she was fine, he gave Mollie medication for her dementia. It then got to every day that Pippa would go for Mollie sometimes 2 or 3 times a day. Mollie would only have to walk past her or look at her and she would attack. Mollie also has arthritis in 3 joints and so is not so quick and couldnt get away from her. I went back to vets as Pippa had lost weight and so vet decided to do blood tests to check and I at the same time decided to keep the dogs separate as Pippa was stressed all the time and Mollie was hiding under the table all the time. Once I got blood tests back and they were all clear, I  decided to see if a behaviourist would help. The one I rang has a bit of a list and can't see us for 3 weeks. Yesterday someone didn't close the door properly and Pippa managed to get to Mollie and just went for her. Mollie tried to walk away but Pippa would let go. I struggled to get her to release Mollie, I got bit, she didn't mean to my arm got in the way. Mollie was limping afterwards but seems to be ok now.

I can't go on with keeping them separate but can't see they will ever be able to be together again.

Also my mum has Pippa sister who has started to go for her other dog, not all the time but acts very similar to Pippa and loses all control. My mums took her to the vets as she has got bitten a few times separating them too. The vet told her that her thought it was hereditary and then told her that he thought it was "cocker rage" and that it was rare but was sure that's what it is. He told her to see a behaviourist to confirm. My mum was upset and rang me to tell me that Pippa has it too.

I really can't see how a vet can just diagnose 2 dogs without seeing my dog ( we live in different counties). I thought " cocker rage" was very rare plus my vet has never even suggested this.  I really need some advice as I don't know what to do.

Side note:- On her own Pippa is really sweet and gentle and loves cuddles, can get stressed and whinges sometimes but you couldn't get a more loving dog and as the vet says is very solid at vets. He managed to take blood without nurse needing to hold her.
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Photography / Re: Photobucket
« Last post by woodlander on Yesterday at 04:18:03 PM »
I had the same problem with photobucket and have just used IMGBB as suggested. I agree much better, more user friendly.
Bye bye photobucket..........
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