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** ADVICE ** puppy farm
« on: September 16, 2006, 03:50:13 PM »
hi all
i think i might of ( unknowingly) just got our new cocker from a puppy farm! how do you know if its a puppy farm..the house had quite a bit of land and stables, looked clean and respectable.. there was about 8 blue roan cockers and a couple of black & white and the one we picked which is tri colour..but no mum & dad to be seen..she also had  lab x collies..our little fella is 8 weeks comes with 3 generation papers!! ( i wouldnt know if there for real ) hes docked and looks healthy, if not a little nervous..would that be cos hes in a new home and environment??  im really worried now as just popped into vets to register him and the receptionist said there has been two dogs in this week with problems from this  ' breeder '  can anyone give me some advice please

THE THREE GENERATIONS ARE-

SIRE- LINKSBURY LEO    ( PARENTS)
DAM- JASEM VENTA

SIRE- WAENFELIN COURT JESTER    ( GRAND PARENTS )
DAM- WELLWOOD GEMMA SPRING
SIRE- DEMPSEY LAD
DAM- JASEM BLUE NELL

SIRE- TEIFI CRYSTAL WANDER           ( G GRAND PARENTS )
DAM- GWYNMARDENE WISPY JADE         
SIRE-GWYNMARDENE JODEE OF WEELWOOD
DAM-WELLWOOD KALLE
SIRE- HARLECH SUNSHINE
DAM- DEERHURST LADY
SIRE-CARON CIRCUIT BREAKER
DAM- GWYNMARDENE MINI MINX
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Re: ** ADVICE ** puppy farm
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2006, 04:34:05 PM »
Try not to worry too much - whats done is done; obviously, it is better if puppies are not bought in these circumstances, but the most important thing now is make sure you do a good a job as you possibly can with your pup :)

It sounds like he has already been to the vets; did he get a clean bill of health? Having been brought up in close proximity to a lot of other dogs, then he may have picked up some parasites - ear mites and worms are not uncommon but are easily treated  ;)

I would suggest that you socialise and habiutalise him as much as possible - it may sound extreme, but I made a list of all the different experiences that Molo needed based on the list in the back of Gwen Baileys book "The Perfect Puppy" and ticked them off - my aim was to try and make sure he met a wide range of people (old, young, beards, walking sticks, different hair etc) and went to as many different places  (farm, town, country, station (bus/train), ferry (we live on an island) etc etc). Puppy classes are essential imo - many vet surgeries run puppy parties, which helps them learn how to interact with other dogs, and other people. There are also classes that focus on how to train your dog basic obedience/commands :)

The important thing is that you know now that this kennels is less than ideal, and so ots probably best not to recommend them, and even advice people not to go there if they ask where you got your pup :( I think your suspicions are probably correct; good breeders would allow you to meet the puppies dame, and are unlikely to have x-breed litters  :-\
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Re: ** ADVICE ** puppy farm
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2006, 04:56:25 PM »
You should ask to see the parents of your puppy and to see their living conditions.

Being mum to an ex stud dog in a puppy farm and having seen the state he was in and knowing how he lived his life prior to being rescued, I would personally like to nuke every puppy farm owner on the planet.  >:(
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Re: ** ADVICE ** puppy farm
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2006, 05:05:55 PM »
 ;) Hi Annie, I can only re-iterate what IWLass has said. Try not to worry now you have got your pup and do the best job you can with him. Sounds like that's what you intend to do anyway!. From your avatar he (what's his name?) looks adorable. Hope we see some more pics soon and keep us informed of his development. There are plenty of people on COL with experience who will be more than willing to help you if needed. Good Luck Jann and Flo ;)

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Re: ** ADVICE ** puppy farm
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2006, 08:05:12 PM »
hi
thanks to everyone who replied, his name is charlie and he's a little cutie and very playful, the nerves have settled now so i guess it was just the move. will post some pics of him and keep an update of his progress.

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Re: ** ADVICE ** puppy farm
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2006, 10:17:04 PM »
At the risk of making myself unpopular, can I make a plea for anyone who purchases a puppy from an unknown breeder to PLEASE make stringent enquiries about the breeding establishment and to INSIST on seeing th parents of the dog and having a thorough tour of the breeding establishment.

Parker was a stud dog in a puppy farm and lived his life in a crate in a dark barn, only emerging to service the ladies.  When he was rescued he was worm infested, flea infested, had eyes so badly neglected that he almost lost the sight in one of them and was all in all in a dire state. 

Parker had no idea how to play, socialise or have fun. His life had been wasted and is only just beginning now.

He is just one of thousands and one of the lucky ones to have been resuced by a fantastic organisation like Many Tears and subsequently been re-homed to a family who love him dearly and will see that he had the fabulous life he has so far missed.

The sad thing is that while people unwittinlgy continue to buy puppies from unknown and intried sources, the sad victims such as Parker will continue to be exloited.  Parker's destiny before MAny Tears stepped in was to be walloped over the head with a spade and killed.  That is the reality of puppy farms.

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Re: ** ADVICE ** puppy farm
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2006, 09:12:27 AM »
 i would just like to say that i would never support a breeder if i thought that they where in any way mis-treating any animal ! if i get a bad feeling about something then i will look into it , which i have done- i rang the rspca yesterday to confirm that this breeder was registered and thankfully she is.. yes i should have done this prior to buying a puppy but all has turned out well..my vet has given charlie a full check and he's perfect. now i will get on with loving him and giving him the best life he deserves.  :D
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Re: ** ADVICE ** puppy farm
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2006, 09:37:04 AM »
i rang the rspca yesterday to confirm that this breeder was registered and thankfully she is..

I understand why you did this - but sadly, the law allows commercial breeders to register and operate legally - so the fact that they are registered (with the local authority and the Kennel Club in many cases) is no reassurance that this kennels are reputably breeding puppies and there is nothing that the RSPCA or any other welfare organisation can do to stop them :(

Many COL members have found that they have inadvertantly purchased a pup from a commercial breeder, backyard breeder or puppy farm - sadly, the information about how to find a chose a reputable breeder is not as widely available as it should be; but hopefully, all COL members will refrain from recommending this type of breeder, and from lining the pockets of these people in future.  As Nicky says, the only way of stopping these breeders is for people to stop buying from them :(

There is a really comprehensive article here which explains how and why to chose breeder who researches pedigrees, carries out health checks and raises puppies in a way that gives them the best possible chance of being healthy, well balanced puppies that will provide years of joy to their new families :)

I am sure you and Charlie will have many happy years together  :luv:
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Re: ** ADVICE ** puppy farm
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2006, 10:06:15 AM »
Hi Annie
We nearly did a similar thing to you, however at the last minute I realised something was not right and backedout (the pup was sold that afternoon to someone else)
We thought we had done all the checks we could, when we visited we only saw a fraction of the dogs that they had and were convinced that they were well handled. A chance meeting in a nearby pet store will an spaniel owner made us aware of the real situation and then a COL member underlined my fears.

I think that you can now help Charlie with love and care and as someone has pointed out you can spread the word about how extra careful people have to be when looking for a puppy.
We found it a minfield despite having the breed before and our efforts to be careful.
We wish you and Charlie all the best for the future
Don't be too hard on yourself and enjoy your pup. I'm sure that eberyone on COL will be full of good advice if you ever need help.
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