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Re: Cysts on front paws
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2006, 08:37:36 PM »
Hi Penal,

Many thanks for taking the time to send me the information blimey it is a lot to take in though and it certainly is a lot of treatment  Do you think the vets on the wrong track with the steriods then?

I am talking to my wife Coral on Skype on Monday evening and will find out how he is and if the steroids are having any of the same side effects as they did last time though I am hopefull they will not seeing as they are a only half the dose he had last time and they are a different type. We were counting the tablets out last night and the vet has given him enough for 20 days.

Will let you know how he gets on.

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Mick

I am seriously thinking that perhaps this vet has had enough time to get it right and from reading all the various suggestions maybe we need another opinion. 

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Re: Cysts on front paws
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2006, 07:09:02 PM »
Pred and Medrone usually do have the same side effects I'm afraid, having had two dogs on either / both.... lots of drinking, weeing and obsession with food.....  although half the dose maybe it will be less..... I honestly don't know if they are wrong to give steroids - but in that article it suggests that steroids are contraindicated... and that long term antibiotics are the way to go - but, you need a correct diagnosis, so you could be right - a 2nd opinion might be the way to go.

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Re: Cysts on front paws
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2006, 07:26:01 PM »
Hi guys,

I have just finished talking to Coral on Skype. Our Jess still has the one cyst that broke out just as I was leaving for Libya last Saturday but it appears to be healing up with no more outbreaks so we will wait to see how it goes before changing his treatment.

He is still on the lower dose of steroids and they have not triggered off any diarea at this time and his appetite seems to have settled down though Coral reckons he is eating a bit more than usual.

Apparently on Wednesday Coral forgot to give it him his tablet at tea time so gave it him at bedtime and during the night he promptly fetched up all over the bed so that went down well or not depending which way you look at it.

Then the next day Thursday he rolled in something on his walk and when Coral got him home and before she could give him a bath fleas were jumping off him all over the house.

I was not the most popular person tonight when I spoke to her so I think that I am going to stay here in Libya cause its safer. :005:

Will keep you up to date

Keep smiling
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Re: Cysts on front paws
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2006, 08:04:48 PM »
Ooops  ph34r Libya safer than home, that's not good Mick  :lol:
Sorry to hear that Jess isn't too well still - steroids do make some dogs sick, they can have a pretty bad effect on the gastrointestinal system.....

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« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2006, 08:19:15 PM »
Hi Penal,

I think what the problem was that he normally has a little treat at bedtime and because he had his tablet straight after the treat then upset the digestion and up it all came.

I told Coral tonight that all these things all these things (sickness fleas etc) that this week were happening to him cause he missed me so much.

She did not take this very well hence why Libya is a haven at the moment. :D

Mind you our Jess is normally in far better health after I have been away cause Coral dont spoil him like I do.

Keep smiling
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Re: Cysts on front paws
« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2006, 11:02:44 AM »
AnnieG has just passed this on to me (she has internet problems)

Hi Mick.  I’m asking Penny B to post this for me.  I used to be a fairly regular contributor to COL but due to some fairly complex IT issues can read but not post at the moment.  But when I saw all the problems poor Jess is having, I thought I just had to contact you.

My previous cocker, Binnie, had chronic interdigital cysts for years.  They were a total nightmare.  I don’t have many answers but I certainly have explored virtually every avenue.  The first one occurred when she was about three and didn’t clear up by any ‘surface’ treatment until she had a fairly long course of antibiotics.  I now realize that it may have been triggered by using a powder carpet deodoriser (sorry – can’t remember the name although I would like to curse it!).  She had them sporadically for about a year, at the end of which time she was referred to a dermatologist.  After allergy tests, we discovered she had a bad reaction to house dust mite.  I shall never forget OH and vet (also male) looking in reproachful unison at me.  Nearly a century of the fight for equality and the male reflex action still marries the woman to the vacuum cleaner. 

Anyway, we had a blessed interlude of four years when they were controlled only by fairly hefty doses of evening primrose oil and fish oil (Efavet), clean bedding every other day, plus more vigorous wielding of the vacuum cleaner (guess who).  As she got older and her immune system weakened, they came back with a vengeance on both paws.  Over the years, she had four operations to remove them, regular antibiotic and eventually steroid treatments as well.  The operations always gave us about six months of relief before they came back, usually right next to the scar tissue.  The specialist said that over time the infection can become very deep seated and virtually impossible to eradicate completely.  Ultimately – and very reluctantly – we gained some measure of control through a continuous low dose of the antibiotic Cephalexin plus longish periods on a very low dose of the steroid Prednisolone.  We had to be scrupulous about hygiene as she was very susceptible to topical infections as the ‘volcano crater’ that you describe occurred on a fairly regular basis.  So the hair around and between her toes was kept permanently clipped short, and her paws were dipped in warm salty water after every wet walk and then dried thoroughly.  We also discovered – and I still don’t quite understand why – that keeping her ear canals scrupulously clean seemed to help.  She could generate enough wax to keep the entire candle business in raw materials but, after regular Epiotic treatments, the incidence of the cysts decreased significantly.

This is a fairly unscientific description of what happened but hours spent trawling the web taught me that this is actually an established condition in a few breeds – mostly cockers and westies.  It seems to occur most widely on white-coated dogs.  (Binnie was mainly white with only one black ear and a couple of black ‘targets’ on her back.)  We spent over £10,000 on various vets and homeopaths, only half of which was covered by insurance.  I feel really bad about dumping this lot on you, especially as your Jess’s case may differ.  But there could be something in here to help you.  The good news is that after a couple of years, she built up a real tolerance to it.  The cysts no longer seemed to bother her much.  She would actually happily join in on really long walks even when a cyst was in full flight.  She may have just been extremely brave but I actually suspect the nerve endings gave up and went home.  In the end, she died at the age of 12 from an unrelated heart condition (although I suspect the regular Pred. didn’t help her general health).  But she had a long, happy, active life and was a really feisty little darling.  Hopefully, since you got onto it faster, Jess can avoid the worse stages.  She died three years ago when less was known about it and I had to fight every inch of the way to get help for the previous nine years.

I really wish you a lot of luck in dealing with this and if there is anything I can do to help, let me know.  I now have two wonderful rescue cockers, Cassie and Millie.  And although they get fed up of constant inspections of their tootsies, I have seen no sign of it affecting them.  So I suspect poor little Binnie (and possibly Jess) were just plain unlucky. 

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Re: Cysts on front paws
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2006, 10:24:39 PM »
Hi Annie & Penny,

Sorry i did not see this sooner but out here in Libya its a bit hit and miss sometimes.

Thanks for the post Annie. I spoke to my wife Coral tonight on Skype and he still has the one on his left front paw that he had when I left the UK two weeks ago and she has told me tonight that one has today broken out on his right paw this time. Its really bugging me cause we have been trying to get tot he bottom of this for five months now. He is on a light dose steriod but I do not like him being on them. I have had a lot of advise regarding him having an operation but I really do not want to go down this road because I have heard some really bad reports.

Coral has started to soak his feet in luke warm salt water every day now but I think when I get back for my two weeks rest period hopefully at xmas then I need to get him to another vet or more to the point a specialist relating to this condition.

Our Jess is a little monkey with regards to his ears cleaning. Coral only has to pick up a cotton bud and he runs over to her sits down and cocks his head to one side waiting for her to clean his ears out. Its really funny to see him do it and he just loves it.

Coral trims him herself and the one thing he hates is having the hair between his toes cut but I will advise her that she should make sure the hairs are as short as possible and I will e-mail her your post so she can have a read of it you never know one of the treatments that you used may work on him.

There is never a right time for these things to happen but with being away for so long at a time then I feel that I cannot help him as I should be doing and of course I miss him terribly as we have never been away from each other until  I got this job out here in August.
 
He was limping pretty badly when I was home and from Coral says he is again now but I dont know whether this is a good point or not but it never stops him wanting to go for a walk and as I have stated in the past our Jess could walk for England. I had a hip replacement in 2000 and it was him that started me walking long distance over rough ground a lot earlier than the specialist expected from me. Blimey if he knew the distances that i was walking with our Jess the specialist  would have had a fit

He his now coming up to ten and although I do not want to give up on this problem I feel deep down that they are going to be with him for the rest of his life and we may have to make the best of it.

Had some sad news tonight as Coral met the lady who we had Jess off and his mum Rosie has cancer and from what i can gather not long to go she is 13 a real cutie and its so upsetting.

Thanks again for all your advise

Best wishes and regards from Libya
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Re: Cysts on front paws
« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2006, 06:22:23 PM »
Hi Mick - I've rejoined the COL fold!  Yipes! Just wanted to say that, out of all the long, rambling, incoherent burble I sent you, probably the most important bit was the antibiotic info.  Putting Binnie on a continuous low-dose of Cephalexin (sp?) was the single most useful thing we did.  Beats steroids every time although they can be a necessity for controlling a real flare-up.  Your vet may be resistant to the idea at first.  Mine had to do a lot of research with the vet. college and some US practices before he'd try it.  But it helped enormously and it's worth talking it over with him.

Good luck

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Re: Cysts on front paws
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2006, 05:06:05 PM »
Hi Annie,

Not good news I am afraid. I spoke to Coral on Skype last night and the Cysts appear to be breaking out more and more often. He has three now and is struggling more when trying to walk with them. He has completed the 20 day course of Steroids that the vet put him on and they have been no help at all this time in keeping the problem at bay.

I was going to try a specialist as Penal suggested but will suggest Coral ask the vet about the Cephalexin and give this a go before doing anything else.

Two questions please 1...Did Binnie have any side effects with the Cephalexin 2.....Whats the (sp?) mean am I missing something here.

Coral also told me that the council owned country walk where we normally walk him is being used for cattle to graze on. The warden told her that the cattle crop the grass further down and this makes the wild flowers grow more abudant in the summer. What concerns me is that if she walks him on this land now and he gets cattle muck in these cysts then they could get really infected with all the muck and such so she is keeping him away from this walk and sticking to the local field and roads. Shame really cause he loved this walk.

I am on the one hand begining to think that he will have put up with these amd this really upsets me cause he is such a happy go lucky chap and lives for his walks. On the other hand I willl do anything to get him cured as he is only ten and to think he will have to put up with this for the rest of his life dont warrant thinking about and causes me distress more than I can say.

I have managed to swing two weeks back in the UK for Xmas (did not think I would be going home until late feburary 2007) so I will see my boy in three weeks. Carnt wait.

I will tell Coral on Wednesday to get him back to the vet and discuss this antibiotic and all other possible options with him though I am fast loosing confidence with them and getting more than a little impatient. It does me good though to get things off my chest by writing on this site when I start feeling down and missing the lad and all the good wishes that has been sent through this site helps me a great deal though at times I feel that I must be looked on like a Victor Meldrew  >:(grumpy old man.

Keep well
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Re: Cysts on front paws
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2006, 07:14:34 PM »
Hi Mike

I am so sorry to hear that your little lad is suffering so much.  Its so terrible to see your pet in discomfort isn't it.  I really hope that things improve for Jess.

I am sure that you have tried it but Louie has ongoing problems with his paws and the vet thinks that it is a food allergy.  I guess that you must of tried changing his food. But thought that is worth also mentioning that Louies only 'symptom' is sore paws ( which swell up and as he licks them as they are obviously itchy they go bald!)  It used to be just his back paws but his last outbreak was on his front paw as well.

Louie is on Royal Canin - sensitivity control which is good for skin conditions.  We are still giving him just the food and nothing else. Then we will introduce him onto one type of food weekly to see if we can iliminate what it can be.

Sending him and you my best wishes and hope that you manage to get something sorted for him.








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Re: Cysts on front paws
« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2006, 08:01:35 PM »
Would it be of any help to shave down his paws like a poodle so they wouldn't stay wet?

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Re: Cysts on front paws
« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2006, 08:15:16 PM »
sp means spelling. people put it next to a word they are not sure is spelt right. well I think that is what it is  :005: sure someone else will soon tell us if I'm wrong. Hope you find a cure for your poor boy soon.
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Re: Cysts on front paws
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2006, 08:43:02 PM »
Just read this whole thing, so sorry to hear about poor Jess, I hope you can get a second opinion for him when you're back at Christmas. It must be so worrying for you not knowing what is causing the cysts  :-\ but it's clear how much Jess means to you and I really hope you can get to the bottom of things soon.

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Re: Cysts on front paws
« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2006, 09:45:41 AM »
What concerns me is that if she walks him on this land now and he gets cattle muck in these cysts then they could get really infected with all the muck and such so she is keeping him away from this walk and sticking to the local field and roads. Shame really cause he loved this walk.
He could get infections from walking anywhere to be honest. Bacteria are not just in cattle poo. Just dipping his affected paws in a tepid salt water solution as a precaution after walks should do the trick, wherever he is walked and gently pat dry afterwards of course. I use a pudding basin on a towel in the kitchen and do one paw at at time with a change of water between paws .I think you said you/your wife are/is doing something similar anyway?

It does me good though to get things off my chest by writing on this site when I start feeling down and missing the lad and all the good wishes that has been sent through this site helps me a great deal though at times I feel that I must be looked on like a Victor Meldrew  >:(grumpy old man. 
That's OK Vic  ;)  :005: Actually the thought never occurred to me. You obviously have a close bond with your dog and are very concerned for him. That makes you a perfect COL member imo. :D
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« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2006, 08:48:44 PM »
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