Shocked! Chloe keeps going for the kids!

[cazza]

She saw the eye specialist during the summer Cazza, I'll try and ring the vets again tomorrow, still shocked by the receptionists attitude!  Each time the incidents happen it's around tea time, I don't think it's a hunger thing but will mention the time of day to the vets. To be honest the kids are only around downstairs at this time so it may just be coincidence, dunno.

Thanks again.

Has this not been checked since the summer then?
This is the first thing I would get checked out

if I explained to my vet that my dog had these issues and they knew the medical history such as it is  and they said I should train her I would be looking for a different vet.

Me too - although it was the receptionist, but they should still know better   

[Top Barks]

She saw the eye specialist during the summer Cazza, I'll try and ring the vets again tomorrow, still shocked by the receptionists attitude!  Each time the incidents happen it's around tea time, I don't think it's a hunger thing but will mention the time of day to the vets. To be honest the kids are only around downstairs at this time so it may just be coincidence, dunno.

Thanks again.

Has this not been checked since the summer then?
This is the first thing I would get checked out

if I explained to my vet that my dog had these issues and they knew the medical history such as it is  and they said I should train her I would be looking for a different vet.

Me too - although it was the receptionist, but they should still know better   

As I suspected! A lot of receptionist's do not know their Arse from their elbow, let alone give behavioural advice.

[beebee]

Out of interest was the hallway unlit, may have made it even harder for her 'see' who or what it was.

[LisaB]

Vets to check it all out, then strict training involving the children and strutured classes sounds like the best option.  It may not be what you want to hear but it sounds like she has developed into a bossyboots around them, especially as she hasn't bitten you or any others - might this be a pack thing, bought on by hormone change, related to the spey? Always difficultto offer advice over the internet but unfortunately, I speak from my own experience

[Karma]

Agree with most of what has been said on this thread.....

It must be awful to be going through and you need to see the vet asap to see if it is eyesight/spay or any other health reason related.  If they don't come up with anything get a behaviourist in - even if they don't see the behaviour they may pick up other signs.  In the meantime keep your children safe - follow Top Bark's advice about play/feeding etc... hope you find out what is going on and get some solutions!

 

[JaspersMum]

Hugs Adele, hope you can get Chloe to the vets to check the cataracts aren't worse, might suggest a health and temper test for the receptionist whilst your there...

Hope the kids are OK, don't forget Chloe is going to sense your stress with her which isn't going to help, relax and make sure the kids give her some distance if possible. Can she move to an area which is not a thorough fare to avoid them having to disturb her too - if her hormones are all over the place perhaps she need s some R&R just like us 

Good luck hun

[Top Barks]

Vets to check it all out, then strict training involving the children and strutured classes sounds like the best option.  It may not be what you want to hear but it sounds like she has developed into a bossyboots around them, especially as she hasn't bitten you or any others - might this be a pack thing, bought on by hormone change, related to the spey? Always difficultto offer advice over the internet but unfortunately, I speak from my own experience

How do you know this has anything to do with status?
Have you had a dog with cateracts? You always seem to jump on the dominance band waggon, you really need to be careful when giving behavioural advice as some owners who know no better may take you up on trying to reduce the dogs "rank" and that could make matters even worse.
Rank reduction programmes are fraught with danger and very outdated.
Hormone imbalances and behavioural changes due to health I can buy, but I'm sorry this dog is not trying to make a bid for world domination.
confident dogs do not often show aggression, they don't need to because they are sure of their status, insecure dogs or dogs in pain however do.

[lolajays]

Hugs Adele, hope you can get Chloe to the vets to check the cataracts aren't worse, might suggest a health and temper test for the receptionist whilst your there...

Hope the kids are OK, don't forget Chloe is going to sense your stress with her which isn't going to help, relax and make sure the kids give her some distance if possible. Can she move to an area which is not a thorough fare to avoid them having to disturb her too - if her hormones are all over the place perhaps she need s some R&R just like us 

Good luck hun

Wot she said! Thinking of you Adele and Chloe x

[LisaB]

Vets to check it all out, then strict training involving the children and strutured classes sounds like the best option.  It may not be what you want to hear but it sounds like she has developed into a bossyboots around them, especially as she hasn't bitten you or any others - might this be a pack thing, bought on by hormone change, related to the spey? Always difficultto offer advice over the internet but unfortunately, I speak from my own experience

How do you know this has anything to do with status?
Have you had a dog with cateracts? You always seem to jump on the dominance band waggon, you really need to be careful when giving behavioural advice as some owners who know no better may take you up on trying to reduce the dogs "rank" and that could make matters even worse.
Rank reduction programmes are fraught with danger and very outdated.
Hormone imbalances and behavioural changes due to health I can buy, but I'm sorry this dog is not trying to make a bid for world domination.

confident dogs do not often show aggression, they don't need to because they are sure of their status, insecure dogs or dogs in pain however do.

Crikey Mark, don't turn this into a personal attack on me  As I said, it is always difficult to offer advice over the internet - and as you yourself have said, we are all trying to help and are clutching at straws.
To reiterate,
I don't know it has anything to do with status.  I just said "best option might be....."
Yes, I have had a number of dogs with cataracts.
I'm sorry that your perception is that I "always jump on the dominance bandwagon" - I said it could be hormone related, after all and suggested the vets first.  Neither did I say the dog is making a bid for world domination  or that there should be a rank reduction programme- where did you get that from?

Everything we all say is humble opinion not fact

Have you had a bad day or something?

[Elisa]

She did give me the number of a behaviourist whom I've just spoken to quite in depth, they have offered to come around but all they're going to see is a very well behaved dog! So there's little point in them doing that.

A behaviourist would be able to see things in Chloe's behaviour, that we wouldn't even notice, so I would definitely advise getting the behaviourist around to assess Chloe in her home enviroment.  They would be much better qualified than a vet, vet's receptionist and forum members that haven't witnessed any of this behaviour (no offence meant to any FMs, but none of us were there, and we can only speculate as to what caused Chloe to behave this way).

[Top Barks]

It is nothing personal against you, it's just that humble oppinion can get people in to trouble where dog aggression is concerned.
I'm sorry but there was another topic the other day where you sugested a dominance issue and I kept quiet, but thought i had to voice my oppinion this time.

Rank reduction programmes were used to reduce so called dominance and caused all sorts of problems and escalation in aggressive behaviour which is why I mentioned them.

I'm not getting into this whole pack thing again as i have done it to death with others on here, but just be careful using pack structure to explain problems, because there are more probable causes at the bottom of this.
If you haven't already, I suggest you read the Culture Clash by Jean Donaldson, Dominance fact or fiction, by Barry Eaton, Dominance Theory and Dogs by james O'Heare and John Fisher's Diary of a Dotty dog Doctor.

Some real good info about the dominance panacea.

[Sarah.H]

Just a thought - could she have had pain from her operation when playing and then associated it with the kids?

[LisaB]

wow, good point!

[Top Barks]

Just a thought - could she have had pain from her operation when playing and then associated it with the kids?

Now that is a possibility. which is why I suggested the kids hand feed her.

[KatieJean]

Cateracts are funny things. I would still say get this checked. When you have them your vision can vary in different light. Our Daisy had them and I couldn't get OH to realise sometimes she could see and sometimes she couldn't. If it is too bright or the sun is in their eyes it is like looking through shattered glass. If it is too dull they can't see either but if the light is just right they can see better. If the hallway was dull she may find it difficult to see. If it is around tea time it would then be artificial light where she may be better in good day light.
I'm speaking from our experiences with Daisy and used to question the opticians where I work.
Hope things are sorted soon.
Would also mention that when willow was spayed she was allergic to the internal stitches but you would have noticed swelling by now if it was that. That made her feel poorly