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Cocker Specific Discussion => Genetics & Breeding => Topic started by: Buck on April 22, 2017, 03:27:35 AM
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Not that it matters to me but what category would Charlie fit best, worker or show??
At 10 months now he's getting lots more fur by the day, mainly under his chin and chest.
Most have seen the pics I've posted but here's a little reminder.
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Would i be better just posting a head shot?
I'd just like to know how to answer when people ask which he is.
Also am i right in saying he's English solid golden.
Thanks Rob
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Looking at his face, he's very like Humphrey, so I'd go for show. Charlie looks longer in the body but that might just be the angle of the photo, he's a beautiful boy, whichever he is!!
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I'd say show type, looking at the rounded skull and low set ears, but the body is long and lean like a worker. Both types come in a variety of sizes and shapes. Are there any clues in his pedigree? He's gorgeous, whatever type he is! :luv:
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Question....So what is Charlie?
verdict....he's very handsome :luv:
Has he got any FTCH (=Field Trial Champion) after any of the names on his pedigree, that will give you some indication if he has worker in him.
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Novice here but I would say he's a show after comparing him to my worker.
Milo has very short hair but then he's getting a bit fluffier now but still only 6 months.
Here's a pic so you can see
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Not great pics but hope that helps a little.
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Looks more show to me
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I'd say show type, looking at the rounded skull and low set ears, but the body is long and lean like a worker. Both types come in a variety of sizes and shapes. Are there any clues in his pedigree? He's gorgeous, whatever type he is! :luv:
I'd agree with all of this ;)
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Show x worker :blink: He's a mix of both.
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I'm with Helen on this - would suspect there is worker somewhere in there :D
Stunning depth of colour in his coat - beautiful.
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I didn't get any papers with Charlie, just his microchip number basically, he hadn't been vaccinated and had a bad bout of worms and ear mites.
Later when i came to register his microchip number they couldn't do it as petlog couldn't recognise the number. I think most numbers start 90088 but Charlie's is 90085.
The nurse at my vets said it could be an Irish chip and i remember that the people he came from were Irish, or so if been told.
Charlie was originally bought by a disabled guy and the family couldn't cope with Charlie's diorreha and other stuff, so he came to me at a few weeks of age. (Sept 2016)
I took him to my vets (Greenways in lytham at Ann's) where he had strong wormers and antibiotics and ear stuff and cause he was so thin i fed him plain cooked chicken n rice and slowly introduced kibble.
At the time what ever he ate came straight out the other end with bits of blood. It was a worrying time!
Sorry I've waffled again, I'm not bothered if Charlie is show or worker or both as he's our buddy/family member regardless. I was just curious and to me special especially after his bad start for us now to be getting nice comments about his condition and temperament is great.
Rob
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What a handsome fella! We love him.
He's very similar to our old girl Betty, who we considered to be a show type, ......but she thought she was a worker.
For her no trek was too long or too arduous, no undergrowth too impenetrable, and no water too cold.
The picture of your boy brings back happy memories to us. Thanks for posing.
Sarka, Jon and Barnaby.
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Looks like a show to me. He's very similar to Maisie who has a very domed head and low set ears but a silky long coat rather than the curly explosion...love both anyway :shades: :luv:
After a 'disagreement' with a groomer who insisted Maisie was a mongrel >:D I decided to do some research into the history of breeding and the effect it had on the coats....I had a lot of time on my hands! ;)
Apparently way back Cockers used to have straight, silky coats, they weren't nearly as full and curly as they tend to be now (for the most part). Then some were born with fluffy coats and they started to win in the ring. And so the birth of the generous Cocker coat which people expect the show type to look like nowadays....I know I certainly did. The coat type comes from breeding and genetics, so somewhere in the pedigree our silkies must have had what they call an old fashioned cocker line in them. Maisie has grown a fabulous long skirt in the past few months with a wavy chest wig so you might get that next.
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Having had a show and then getting Ollie a rescue cocker - asked my old vet who said he was half and half :D
Which just reminds me of cream - which makes him just delicious. you are just lovely charlie
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Handsome boy :luv:
I think he's a bit of both. His head, ear set and overall shape look more show than worker to me. But if he was 100% show he would have a lot more coat.
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He is super silky, when we play i can't keep hold of him he's so slippery. If you gently stroke his fur along his back or sides against the grain direction it grows it doesn't ruffle it just stays where it is feeling really soft but un-moving.
His feathers at the front are also growing a lot and his front paws getting to be much furier making then look big.
He seems to be getting a lot of fine blondish hairs on his head, and his chest has become quite fluffy. I noticed his chin has fine long hairs that grew in the last week. I call it his beard.
His ears are quite big but a lot is fur, he has a habit of standing on them while sniffing and trips over his face which is funny.
As i brush him a lot some days his ears or the fur are longer than normal so end up soaked if he drinks or they go in his food so have to be washed.
We really love him and i think/hope he's really happy now and hopefully that will show in time.
Thanks again for your nice comments
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Novice here but I would say he's a show after comparing him to my worker.
Milo has very short hair but then he's getting a bit fluffier now but still only 6 months.
Here's a pic so you can see
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Not great pics but hope that helps a little.
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Milo's coat and the fur pattern on his back look very similar to Charlie's.
Milo also looks gorgeous and shiny black.
Thank you for sharing.
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Hope this helps - this is my old boy Ollie he has Field champions & show champions in his five generation pedigree.
I'd say yours is like my boy a mix of the two :)
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Milo's coat and the fur pattern on his back look very similar to Charlie's.
Milo also looks gorgeous and shiny black.
Thank you for sharing.
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Yeah I think Charlie's got a bit of both maybe, like you said fur pattern is similar. Milos got a longer strip of hair all down his back, which he puffs up when he's over excited and trying to play roughly.
Charlie is just gorgeous.
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Does Milo stand on his ears and trip over his face when sniffing about?
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Does Milo stand on his ears and trip over his face when sniffing about?
Bea dose this, I think it's a usual spaniel thing, :005: :005:
I've checked Bea's pedigree on My KC and her line was started with a worker 40 years ago and then all Show.
Cockers are beautiful and a lot of fun wether they are a Show or Worker, In my opinion it helps to know the background as this can help with training etc but we love them and that's whats important :luv:
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Does Milo stand on his ears and trip over his face when sniffing about?
Not noticed him doing that, his ears are high up and not long enough I don't think.
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As mentioned earlier I didn't get any paperwork or history information, sad really as I'd love to know.
I think as most people have said he's a mix of both.
Looking at pictures he seems to have a head like a show dog and a slender athletic build more like a working dog.
He seems to require a lot of excercise or he won't touch his food.
He also wants to investigate all bushes and shrubbery like it's in his nature. I was brought up with dogs since 1977 (age 7) but never had a cocker spaniel before.
Times and people's opinions/understanding of there needs has changed and back then there was no intereweb.
While out with Charlie we always bump into other people with cocker spaniels but tbh they always seem much stockier than Charlie but i don't know if that's cause there show type or older or just have more fur, that's why i asked 'what is Charlie'
I don't like the thought that he's thin, or lacking in someway as i try to do my best to meet all his needs so am reading all the older post on here regarding diet etc. Sorry for posting so much but it all makes me a little anxious and i have millions of questions after his poor start and 10 months not knowing about this site. (sorry)
I do have a bad habit of huminisizing our dogs which i know can be bad.
If there's any key points i should know please point them out!
Typically Charlie would be the one to tread on his ears, maybe it's just the fur he catches as i brush him a lot.
Great pics of Milo btw he seems to be similar build to Charlie to.
Awesome pics of Ollie to who seems to be much more stocky. Is it an age thing or diet or different for each?
Kind regards
Rob.
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Henry is a show-type cocker but also quite tall, long and lean. We have his dad's pedigree and there's no worker in there, but he is also tall and lean. People are always commenting to us how lanky he is, and how his face is much longer than the more usually rectangular cocker snout. They really do come in all shapes and sizes. But Henry's coat was thicker and fluffier at this age than Charlie's appears here so yes, he may have some worker in him.
With regards weight, Charlie looks great to me. A well defined waist is a good thing. And the condition of his coat suggests to me he's in great health.
All cockers love to work their noses, be they show-type or workers. Once you realise that (and I have to thank this forum for really educating me on this) you can tailor his 'walks' so he gets lots of sniffing and snuffling done. It really works their brains as they map the world while they sniff - their noses are connected to their brains much more directly than ours! Even if I'm just taking Henry for a walk around the block, I always make sure to keep him on my inside so he can get his nose stuck into fences, hedges, the bottoms of walls... he loves it. The walking isn't really the point, it's the opportunity for him to get lots of stimulation.
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This isn't a good photo of Blue, it's one taken by his groomer on her phone just after his first haircut (which is why his tail has disappeared between his legs!) but it is a good one to show his shape, which is short, and he stands 'square' to the ground. He has a very abundant coat, from generations of show strain pedigree. The vet always moans that he can't feel the ribs, but I don't consider him to be overweight.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5614/29987450660_1d38fd7ff5_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MFTwko)Blue at the groomers, after his first haircut. (https://flic.kr/p/MFTwko) by Fiona (https://www.flickr.com/photos/92039059@N02/), on Flickr
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Buck, never be afraid to ask questions on here, without it the site would disappear and that would be a shame.
I to worry about my girl and I've had her from 8 weeks, the most important thing is that you want to do the best for Charlie.
I have to admit that sometimes I have worried so much about Bea that I have forgotten to enjoy her, so I now no longer allow myself to do that, especially as Cockers are so much fun :luv: :luv: :D
Spaniels come in so many different shapes and sizes, I've met two very healthy Springers one of which where thin, but this is the way they where and the owner just couldn't put weight on them, I believe that Cockers are the same .
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Handsome boy :luv:
I think he's a bit of both. His head, ear set and overall shape look more show than worker to me. But if he was 100% show he would have a lot more coat.
Not necc given his colour. ;) His ear set looks quite high to me, but I'd say he's a mix too. He's a lovely boy whatever. :)
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whatever he is, hes :luv: Im jealous of his smooth silky coat. im beginning to wonder if Diesel is a bit of both as he has a more of a domed head and a LOT of crazy hair :005:
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He looks a lot like my chester hes gorgeous. Reading your comments it sounds very similar situation to what we went through with chester. We got chester at 91/2 weeks from a young couple who couldnt cope with him. He did come with a piece of paper with names on but we think it was made up as none of the names matched the kennel club names and we didnt know his parents so had no clue what strain he was. He was also very poorly with bloody diarrhea and we thought we were going to lose him. Turned out he had e coli. Sorry im rambling a bit :005:. It looks as though charlie is half show half worker to me. We were told chester was half and half. These are a few pictures of chester.
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This is him now at 5 :lol:
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The last two are older photos :D