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Title: Ox Liver - too rich for treats?
Post by: BentleyT on May 01, 2017, 02:01:02 PM
We like to try new treats and as this was pretty cheap we bought a load, boiled it and baked it. It's now chopped up into little pieces and will apparently last for 2 weeks. Now this might be coincidence, but after some lead training today and yesterday, his poo has been like brown yogurt (best description I can come up with! :020:) We changed to a raw diet 3 weeks ago and his stools were good before yesterday so it's not normal. I also thought a raw diet would suit things like liver as treats, but is it too rich for a pup (5 months old), anyone know? He could have eaten something else I'm not aware of of course like a rotten apple off our tree, but the last few have been the same...
Title: Re: Ox Liver - too rich for treats?
Post by: bizzylizzy on May 01, 2017, 02:24:21 PM
Liver can cause runny stools. Humphrey's fed raw (DIY) and as they're supposed to have a certain amount of offal , including liver (can't remember the exact ratio now but can look it up if you need it), I used to give him his weekly ration in one meal but it always made him runny, so I now spread it out over the week. If you're giving him larger amounts as treats, then maybe its a good idea to cut it back a bit in his diet - or replace it altogether. In the raw food book I have they suggest giving the bone ration with the offal ration as bone tends to have the opposite effect, so the one helps counteract the other. Hope that helps!
Title: Re: Ox Liver - too rich for treats?
Post by: BentleyT on May 01, 2017, 02:53:24 PM
Thanks. Think i'll stop the liver then - I've not introduced bone yet, will get some ordered when we get a new freezer.
Title: Re: Ox Liver - too rich for treats?
Post by: its.sme on May 01, 2017, 07:16:05 PM
Hi BentleyT,

Bone is a very important part of a Raw diet especially in a pup, what other sources of Calcium are you feeding ?

Title: Re: Ox Liver - too rich for treats?
Post by: Joules on May 01, 2017, 08:26:35 PM
Yes, too much liver can definitely cause the squits even in a raw fed dog.  :o  I sometimes just cut it into thin strips and dry out in the over - no need to boil it up :020:

You could make it into livercake in future which is not as rich and might be better in the bottom department.  ;)

Revolting to make, but it is the most fullproof treat there is  :005:

There's a recipe here:

http://cleverdogcompany.com/liver-cake-recipe/
Title: Re: Ox Liver - too rich for treats?
Post by: BentleyT on May 01, 2017, 11:32:56 PM
Hi BentleyT,

Bone is a very important part of a Raw diet especially in a pup, what other sources of Calcium are you feeding ?

Thanks for the baking tips ;)

its.sme, we have just been giving him natural instinct chicken and lamb, as per amounts on the box. Nothing else yet but going to introduce bones soon, but i was told to get him accepting the basic food first. How long would you wait?
Title: Re: Ox Liver - too rich for treats?
Post by: bizzylizzy on May 02, 2017, 07:21:54 AM
Hi BentleyT,

Bone is a very important part of a Raw diet especially in a pup, what other sources of Calcium are you feeding ?

Thanks for the baking tips ;)

its.sme, we have just been giving him natural instinct chicken and lamb, as per amounts on the box. Nothing else yet but going to introduce bones soon, but i was told to get him accepting the basic food first. How long would you wait?

He'd probably be able to cope with a chicken wing,( that's all Humphrey gets anyway), just keep an eye on him. I'm a bit of a worrier, so I chop them into 3 pieces and bash on any sharp bits, but I think its probably totally unnecessary, thats just me! (Raise eyebrows!). Chicken necks are also good. Just a note though - as I DIY, he has them every day to cover the calcium requirement but you may find if you're feeding a complete mix, that that is already taken into consideration, in which case too much additional bone/calcium isn't good. Its all a bit of trial and error at first but it'll all fall into place and its sooooo worth it! Best of luck!!