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Title: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 21, 2017, 09:43:30 AM
Okay, on Thursday 11th may we picked up our new pup Loxley. My other half and I decided to take a 10 day break to help aid Loxley into our home, we wanted to make sure that our 9yr old boy Ollie was alright with him.

Tomorrow is back to work day and if I'm being honest I'm stressing out a little.

Tomorrow is a long day as they want me to do overtime " behind with workload due to me having time off" I'll be working 11am till 6pm. I will only get 30mins break so won't be able to go home to let them out. My other half works 9am till 5pm so will be home between 5/5.30pm.

Loxley & Ollie have been left over the past 10 days for 2/5hrs at a time and have been fine. Loxley has a crate in the kitchen and I leave that open at all times. I have puppy pads down and if he needs the loo he does use the pad. But he does hold himself very well.

I make sure my old boy Ollie is also left in the kitchen as I think they would both stress out if they weren't together. Ollie did have full run of the house but we think it's best for them to stay together until Loxley's house trained and stopped chewing.

I know some people do lock their pups up in a crate whilst they're out "to keep them safe" I don't feel like I could do this as it would upset both Loxley, Ollie and me.

Do you guys think I'm doing the right thing leaving them both in the kitchen with free run of the room?

I'd like to add that Loxley & Ollie have around 30 toys that will also be left in the room and I'll also leave the radio on whilst I'm out.

Think I'm stressing for nothing!

Many thanks


Ps Ollies 9 years old and Loxley will be 10 weeks old this coming Tuesday.


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: Mari on May 21, 2017, 10:15:03 AM
Sounds like they will be perfectly fine :021: For just one puppy alone I would say it's too long, but they have each other for company after all. And I agree it makes sense to have them together as long as they are friends. I guess it is long for the little one to not be let out, but if he uses the puppy pads then that potential problem is solved too. When my girl was a puppy I had her loose in the kitchen too, she was safe there and still had some space to move around. You could put up a spycam for them if you are worried, there are apps that allow you to access your laptop cam from your smartphone. It's a good way to check how they handle the situation. But I'm not sure a dog can tell the difference between 2,5 hours and 7 hours so my guess is they will be fine  ;)
Title: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 21, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
Sounds like they will be perfectly fine :021: For just one puppy alone I would say it's too long, but they have each other for company after all. And I agree it makes sense to have them together as long as they are friends. I guess it is long for the little one to not be let out, but if he uses the puppy pads then that potential problem is solved too. When my girl was a puppy I had her loose in the kitchen too, she was safe there and still had some space to move around. You could put up a spycam for them if you are worried, there are apps that allow you to access your laptop cam from your smartphone. It's a good way to check how they handle the situation. But I'm not sure a dog can tell the difference between 2,5 hours and 7 hours so my guess is they will be fine  ;)


Thanks for helping to put my mind at ease, I know it'll be worse for me than him. Usually these things are harder for us humans to deal with [emoji16]

My older cocker is very people orientated and is like a big teddy bear. But this little one seems to be very outgoing and is more than happy keeping himself occupied by playing with his toys. So hopefully Ollies calming influence will rub off on the little one.


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 21, 2017, 10:25:28 AM
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This is my 2 boys now [emoji16][emoji16][emoji16][emoji42][emoji42][emoji42]

I think they'll be okay [emoji177][emoji177][emoji177]


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: Ben's mum on May 21, 2017, 10:27:19 AM
It sounds like a long time for a pup to be left to me, do you have anyone who could nip in to let Loxely be Ollie out and give them a snack, is Loxley still having something to eat in the day?  Do you have a local dog walker who could just come in, not specifically to walk them but just for a toilet break and some company, it might also put your mind at rest as well as you would be worrying if you are at work all that time wondering what they are up to.
A web cam is a great idea too. Hope you manage to get something sorted x 
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 21, 2017, 10:50:52 AM
It sounds like a long time for a pup to be left to me, do you have anyone who could nip in to let Loxely be Ollie out and give them a snack, is Loxley still having something to eat in the day?  Do you have a local dog walker who could just come in, not specifically to walk them but just for a toilet break and some company, it might also put your mind at rest as well as you would be worrying if you are at work all that time wondering what they are up to.
A web cam is a great idea too. Hope you manage to get something sorted x


Ive been thinking about buying a web cam for a while so I might just do this. I don't have anyone I could ask no, my grandmother and mum have recently died and I don't see any of my family. I live over 100 miles away from them so as you can imagine my boys are the most important things in my life. My other half has parents that live 15 miles away. They're in their 70's one still works full time and the others retired and is always "busy". I don't really trust anyone coming into my home as they could steal anything!

I have lovely neighbours next door, they are retired and love dogs and are always home. But many years ago when I was 16 years old "I'm now 36 years old" I owned a German Shepard female called Cara. I left her with a family friend when I went on holiday to the south of France! Upon my arrival home I went to collect Cara only to be told she was DEAD!!!! Apparently she jumped over a 6ft fence to try and find me, before they could get her she was ran over on the A34 near Newcastle under Lyme in Stoke-on -Trent AKA my hometown.

I was told she was dead on impact and I couldn't get my head around the fact that she was only 2yrs old and she was in great health and because I went on holiday she died. Due to this I don't trust my dogs with anyone not even my partner, I have real issues trusting people to look after them well enough.

For example - yesterday I was so tired because for the last 10 days I've been  looking after/ watching Loxley like a hawk, whilst my other half is either on his phone / computer or at archery! Yesterday I asked my other half to look after him whilst I got 2 minutes rest and tried to clean the house. He took both dogs outside to "play and go wee wee" we have chicken wired all the garden and made it puppy proof but Loxley always finds a way! I told Dean that whilst he was outside on Friday he managed to get half way under the farm gate that we have "I managed to grab him before he escaped" and I expressed my concerns to him and said you " MUST FOLLOW HIM AROUND THE GARDEN AND YOU MUST WATCH HIM LIKE A HAWK" he must of been in his phone whilst being outside in the garden because all I heard was " LOXLEY LOXLEY LOXLEY NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!" I ran out and started shouting where is he what's happened Dean was running towards the gate shouting he's got under the gate he's running around on the main road!!! The road that runs directly outside of our house is a 60mph road and we live on a corner so they wouldn't have chance to stop!!!!

My other half ran so fast that he managed to catch up with him just past my neighbours house!!!!

My heart skipped and I felt so scared, sick and upset, I could visualise him being ran over like Cara.

As you can see I have trust issues! But my boys are more important than anything or anyone, I can't risk them getting hurt or possibly worse.

I'm hoping that they will be okay tomorrow.


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: Mari on May 21, 2017, 11:42:45 AM
What an adorable picture of them together!

I can understand your trust issues! Last time I let someone watch my dog she ate corn on the cob, and one time I had a friend stay with me she got chocolate toxicosis because the guest forgot to hide her dark chocolate....I know bad things can happen when I am with her too, but at least I am in control of what's happening if I'm there. So I struggle with the same myself and I can only imagine your fear is that much stronger after what you went through. So sorry to hear about Cara!
But one day you might have to let someone else take care of the dogs, and then it will be much more stressful for them if they believe they are only safe with you. I say this because I have made that mistake myself, maybe your dogs are so chill that they will be fine either way, but if they are like mine then it's worth keeping in mind.
I have been alone with my dog since the beginning. I don't travel and my dog is my family and hobby so she was always with me. But situations change. I had to travel suddenly because a family member died. I left the dog with friends, people she adores and meets almost daily. But the whole time I was gone she hid under their kitchen table and was absolutely miserable! That was when I understood that having other people watch her from time to time is actually good for her!
What if I was to end up in hospital or something, and my dog was terrified because she never learned to trust anyone but me? So I started trusting people more, asking friends and family to take care of her if I had to do a long shift. Sometimes she would stay overnight with them. She still sulks a little when I'm away, but she is no longer hiding or thinking the world will end without me ;)  Which is good because I am now in a situation where I have to travel alot for exams, I hate it and I cannot stand being away from her. But at least I know she is happier than I am with the situation now that she knows how to function without me for a few days :D
Not saying this is at all an issue for your dogs, but I do think it is good for both dogs and owners to learn how to cope with separation and trust others  ;)
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 21, 2017, 11:50:04 AM
What an adorable picture of them together!

I can understand your trust issues! Last time I let someone watch my dog she ate corn on the cob, and one time I had a friend stay with me she got chocolate toxicosis because the guest forgot to hide her dark chocolate....I know bad things can happen when I am with her too, but at least I am in control of what's happening if I'm there. So I struggle with the same myself and I can only imagine your fear is that much stronger after what you went through. So sorry to hear about Cara!
But one day you might have to let someone else take care of the dogs, and then it will be much more stressful for them if they believe they are only safe with you. I say this because I have made that mistake myself, maybe your dogs are so chill that they will be fine either way, but if they are like mine then it's worth keeping in mind.
I have been alone with my dog since the beginning. I don't travel and my dog is my family and hobby so she was always with me. But situations change. I had to travel suddenly because a family member died. I left the dog with friends, people she adores and meets almost daily. But the whole time I was gone she hid under their kitchen table and was absolutely miserable! That was when I understood that having other people watch her from time to time is actually good for her!
What if I was to end up in hospital or something, and my dog was terrified because she never learned to trust anyone but me? So I started trusting people more, asking friends and family to take care of her if I had to do a long shift. Sometimes she would stay overnight with them. She still sulks a little when I'm away, but she is no longer hiding or thinking the world will end without me ;)  Which is good because I am now in a situation where I have to travel alot for exams, I hate it and I cannot stand being away from her. But at least I know she is happier than I am with the situation now that she knows how to function without me for a few days :D
Not saying this is at all an issue for your dogs, but I do think it is good for both dogs and owners to learn how to cope with separation and trust others  ;)

I think I'll be slightly happier when Loxley's grown a little and can no longer fit under the gate of get through the fence. I have had people (my other halves parents ) let Ollie out (only in the garden) when I've worked long hours in the past or gone out on a day trip back to see my family.

My other halves parents are old and the one that's retired and would be able to come (my other halves mum) has a heart condition. I couldn't have Loxley getting out and his mum chasing him to get him back! It could end in disaster for both of them!

Nothing's ever easy is it!



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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: Theo961 on May 21, 2017, 12:00:22 PM
Could you fit something to the gate temporary. I fitted a board to stop Reese getting to the gate that had a gap under when he was a pup, I also put up temporary fencing to stop him getting onto the parts of the garden he wanted to eat  (it's still up!)  Lol
Title: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 21, 2017, 12:10:56 PM
Could you fit something to the gate temporary. I fitted a board to stop Reese getting to the gate that had a gap under when he was a pup, I also put up temporary fencing to stop him getting onto the parts of the garden he wanted to eat  (it's still up!)  Lol
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A week before we got him we chicken wired the gate, but he can easily squash himself flat and get underneath. We are now looking at a piece of wood to be attached.

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We put chicken wire all along the patio fence to keep him in, but he has worked out that he can climb the wire and get over!

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My other half is at archery but I've been doing this whilst the boys are both sleeping!

I've now ran outta wood so once my other half is back we will be going to B&Q to get more wood and finish the job.

Because of where we live (surrounded by farmers fields) we have livestock fencing like the picture below all the way around our property. As you can see the holes are big enough for Loxley to climb through ATM hence why we (I) don't let him out unsupervised. Hopefully in a few months time he'll be bigger and our issues with him escaping will no longer be.

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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: PennyB on May 21, 2017, 12:19:18 PM
Someone popping in to let a pup out isn't quite the same as leaving a dog with someone while you're on your hols though - as you have sorted the back and the fencing this will make it easier for someone letting them out

I will only ever leave mine with our vet nurse or similar or they go to kennels if am away
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 21, 2017, 12:21:50 PM
Just gotta finish off the fence this afternoon. Then hopefully tonight when we let him out on the patio area he'll not be able to get out.


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: vixen on May 21, 2017, 01:44:19 PM
Personally, I wouldn't leave a pup alone with an adult dog.  They may get on now but anything could happen.  Pups can be very demanding and sometimes the adult dog needs a break from it and with them both having free range of your kitchen, the adult can not escape.  I would keep pup in the crate and let the older dog have free range.  That way they are together but the pup can't annoy the older dog.  They may have 30 toys in the room to choose from, but what happens if they both want the same one?  I hope this doesn't come across as negative as it seems both dogs get on very well,  it is just that I am over cautious with my dogs and just wouldn't want to take the risk.
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ejp on May 21, 2017, 03:15:13 PM
Would it be possible to negotiate a longer lunch break so you can nip home, and work on in the evenin. Appreciate this would make for a really late finish for you, but OH would be in by then. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 22, 2017, 08:30:50 AM
Would it be possible to negotiate a longer lunch break so you can nip home, and work on in the evenin. Appreciate this would make for a really late finish for you, but OH would be in by then. Just a thought.

I'm going to ask my manager if I could possibly do this going forward until he's house trained and older.




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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: Jaysmumagain on May 22, 2017, 08:42:26 AM
I sorted something out with my manager,  I asked could I work an half hour later to take 1 hours lunch, as it was just 15mins drive either way it meant I could get home for half an hour, but this only happened twice a week as my MIL spent Mon and Wed mornings with him, plus I was at home another day.

It looks like you are in a more rural area so not sure on your commute.
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 22, 2017, 08:44:20 AM
Personally, I wouldn't leave a pup alone with an adult dog.  They may get on now but anything could happen.  Pups can be very demanding and sometimes the adult dog needs a break from it and with them both having free range of your kitchen, the adult can not escape.  I would keep pup in the crate and let the older dog have free range.  That way they are together but the pup can't annoy the older dog.  They may have 30 toys in the room to choose from, but what happens if they both want the same one?  I hope this doesn't come across as negative as it seems both dogs get on very well,  it is just that I am over cautious with my dogs and just wouldn't want to take the risk.


Wouldn't it be better for them to get used to being together from a young age not locked away?

If I lock the pup in his crate he cries and barks within seconds of the door shutting, I live in a 102 year old cottage with wooden windows and no sound proofing, the neighbours are retired so don't want them moaning about noise. He does this because he wants to get out and play with my older dog. Not only that but my older dog gets stressed /upset as he sees that the pup is in the create and can't get out. My older boy then starts to pace around and make little cries at the crate as if asking me to let him out.

I want his crate to be his basket, his safe place. I don't really want to associate it with bad experiences. Also how would I fit a water bowl onto the crate along with toys etc???

I did buy a large size crate for him and there's room for both dogs to lie together. I just don't like the idea of him sitting in his own mess for hours because he's locked in there. Then him barking and crying fir hours and my other dog getting stressed because the pups stressed.

I really don't know what's the best option, my other half says they'll be fine and told me to just leave them be.

Currently they're both fast asleep in the kitchen together. My old boy has been out for a big walk this morning so I'd currently chilled out. The pup has been played with and will be going to sleep now for the next 3 or so hours.


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 22, 2017, 08:51:14 AM
I sorted something out with my manager,  I asked could I work an half hour later to take 1 hours lunch, as it was just 15mins drive either way it meant I could get home for half an hour, but this only happened twice a week as my MIL spent Mon and Wed mornings with him, plus I was at home another day.

It looks like you are in a more rural area so not sure on your commute.

I work about 8 minutes away from where I live. If I put peddle to the metal lol

I only work 4 days a week and I usually only work 4/6hrs at a time.

Im usually home for 4.45pm at the latest when I start at 10.30 and some days I work 1-5pm.

I don't really work long hours and my other half is always home at 5.30pm everyday.

I have left them for 4hrs last week and they've been fine.

My other dog is VERY food orientated so we make sure there's no food or treats left around. My old boy doesn't play with toys and has no interest in them therefore I can leave them lying around the house with no fighting.




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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: bmthmark on May 22, 2017, 09:24:02 AM
It is really hard leaving the puppy for the first time. We have all been there.

I purchased a large play pen and kitted it out with all his toys and it even had room for his crate. This was perfect for him until he was 6 months old.  We had one incident with the play pen, he decided to use his water bowl as a step and managed to climb out!!  :005: I came home to him running around eating slippers  >:D.
He is 7 months old now and he has the kitchen and hallway to use now. We use baby gates to secure the area.

You are lucky that you have another dog to keep him company.

We also did a lot of practice leaving him. We would change the times we would leave him to make sure he knew we would always come back.
He seems fine with us going now as he knows when we go he gets a treat (filled kong).

I will always take him for a long walk before, in the hope he will rest whilst I am away.

You have to remember puppies need alot of rest and sleep, so you leaving him is not a bad thing. Just make sure the area is puppy proof.

He will be fine - especially with 30 toys!! :D

Let us know how he does
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 22, 2017, 09:55:27 AM
45 minutes left till I have to go to work and now I'm thinking seriously about locking him in his Crate. Ollie my 9yr old has launched himself at Loxley (the puppy) as Loxley was playing and jumping all over him! Ollie was growling but Loxley just wouldn't pack it in!

I don't think Ollie was much pleased and launched a quick snap at him where he snapped his teeth closed 3 times! Near Loxley's face. I know this is just Ollies way of saying you've pushed the boundaries now chill out and leave me alone!!!

But it's seriously got me thinking, at least if he's locked in his crate I'll know he's not damaging the house or causing Ollie to snap back at him.

I really don't want to use the crate as bad place to be, but I think it might be a good option [emoji853][emoji853][emoji853]

Loxley is drifting off to sleep so hopefully if I can lock him in whilst he's asleep he won't be as stressed as my locking him in when he wants to play!

I'll keep you all updated as to what I decide to do.

But I'll be going out in the next week to buy a video camera (anyone have any good ideas of type or brand?) want one that can be seen off an iPhone.
Thanks


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: Mari on May 22, 2017, 10:06:35 AM
Do you have a baby gate or anything you can use as a barrier in the kitchen doorway? The puppy could stay in the kitchen and Ollie can have the rest of the house. And they can still se and hear each other through the gate of they get lonely.
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: bmthmark on May 22, 2017, 10:07:28 AM
I would look at getting a play pen
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 22, 2017, 10:15:44 AM
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Okay so he has a puppy pad/ food / drink /treats / toys / bedding and a cover over the crate. Here's hoping that he goes on alright.

I'm leaving Ollie in the kitchen so they can both see each other and hopefully this will help them relax in time.


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: Ben's mum on May 22, 2017, 10:16:49 AM
I wouldn't be leaving the pup in a create for that amount of time seriously - its much to long. where would he toilet?  at 10 weeks he needs to be weeing regularly, how would you leave him access to a drink its going to be warm today (well it is where I am!) If he is weeing near his water would her still drink it.

Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 22, 2017, 10:18:22 AM
I wouldn't be leaving the pup in a create for that amount of time seriously - its much to long. where would he toilet?  at 10 weeks he needs to be weeing regularly, how would you leave him access to a drink its going to be warm today (well it is where I am!) If he is weeing near his water would her still drink it.


So He's already started howling and crying :(

Im going to chance leaving them both alone in the kitchen together. It's gotta be better than this!


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: Charliechoo on May 22, 2017, 10:35:18 AM
My Charlie went to doggy daycare from an early age if nobody was going to be home all day like that, ok it cost £20 a day but I knew he was well looked after, and happily socialising and most of all safe.   I do feel for you, it is difficult to manage, is it something you could look at going forward for a more long term solution?

Best of luck x
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 22, 2017, 10:37:01 AM
My Charlie went to doggy daycare from an early age if nobody was going to be home all day like that, ok it cost £20 a day but I knew he was well looked after, and happily socialising and most of all safe.   I do feel for you, it is difficult to manage, is it something you could look at going forward for a more long term solution?

Best of luck x


Yes it is :)

I have to drive past a doggie daycare place to get to work.


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: Charliechoo on May 22, 2017, 10:42:28 AM


Go and call in and have a chat with them, they're all differently set up, hopefully similar to mine, which is a big farm house with 2 fully enclosed paddocks, the dogs remain in the house when not playing in the paddocks supervised at all times, also this may offend some, but she excludes some breeds, which to be honest, gives me a massive reassurance.

We started off slowly, with a couple of hours to see how he got on and built it up, he absolutely loves going there and treats it like his nannies house  :005:


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ejp on May 22, 2017, 06:34:56 PM
Been thinking about you today, how did it all go?
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: MIN on May 22, 2017, 06:48:50 PM
Just gotta finish off the fence this afternoon. Then hopefully tonight when we let him out on the patio area he'll not be able to get out.


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could always take the pointy end off OH's arrows and weave the shafts into your new slats for extra strength ;)
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 23, 2017, 08:17:16 AM
Just gotta finish off the fence this afternoon. Then hopefully tonight when we let him out on the patio area he'll not be able to get out.


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could always take the pointy end off OH's arrows and weave the shafts into your new slats for extra strength ;)


That would be an expensive fence lol


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 23, 2017, 08:22:32 AM
I couldn't leave them alone for all that time, so I'm my 30 minute lunch I drove home to make sure they were okay.

I could only stay with them for less than 10 minutes but they both went outside and went to the loo.

I had a quick play with Loxley to get some of that energy used up.

Came home to find them huddled up sleeping together.

I'm working today but not as many hours. He's booked in at the vets at 5.30pm for his final vaccination as he's 10wks old today!

Can't wait till next Tuesday when we can actually take him out for a walk.


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: bmthmark on May 23, 2017, 08:35:35 AM
I couldn't leave them alone for all that time, so I'm my 30 minute lunch I drove home to make sure they were okay.

I could only stay with them for less than 10 minutes but they both went outside and went to the loo.

I had a quick play with Loxley to get some of that energy used up.

Came home to find them huddled up sleeping together.

I'm working today but not as many hours. He's booked in at the vets at 5.30pm for his final vaccination as he's 10wks old today!

Can't wait till next Tuesday when we can actually take him out for a walk.


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That's great to hear they were ok. As I said they will be fine
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: Mari on May 23, 2017, 10:58:02 AM

Came home to find them huddled up sleeping together.



Aww  :luv:
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ejp on May 23, 2017, 06:08:13 PM
Well done, you have survived day one, so hopefully your stress levels will drop a bit now!   ;)
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: MIN on May 23, 2017, 06:57:42 PM
I have done the dinner hour run. 45 mins of travelling for a 10 min garden let out. But you do it because its peace of mind
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: rubybella on May 23, 2017, 08:34:37 PM
Sorry, but I feel that it is way too long for any dog to be left, least of all a young puppy. I know I will be shot down by those that feel it is ok, but I find it hard to sit and read the comments that suggest there are no negative effects of doing this. I volunteer for a rescue, I can't tell you how many spaniels we get in due to owners working too long hours. Particularly with puppies, being left for long hours can cause unwanted behaviour and the puppy becoming shut down due to lack of stimulation and human attention. So please reconsider what you are doing, instead use doggy daycare or get a dog walker to come in in the morning and afternoon to play with your dogs and give them some attention.
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 23, 2017, 11:46:46 PM
Sorry, but I feel that it is way too long for any dog to be left, least of all a young puppy. I know I will be shot down by those that feel it is ok, but I find it hard to sit and read the comments that suggest there are no negative effects of doing this. I volunteer for a rescue, I can't tell you how many spaniels we get in due to owners working too long hours. Particularly with puppies, being left for long hours can cause unwanted behaviour and the puppy becoming shut down due to lack of stimulation and human attention. So please reconsider what you are doing, instead use doggy daycare or get a dog walker to come in in the morning and afternoon to play with your dogs and give them some attention.

I only work 26 hrs per week split over 4 days. I have 3 full days off per week.

I wouldn't of considered having  a puppy if I was working 6 day weeks working 9-5pm. The decision of getting another dog (a puppy) was something that I really took time over, precisely 7yrs.

I am going to ask my manager if I can have an hour lunch break and work 30 minutes extra at the end of my shift, that way I'd get 30 minutes with them at home.

I have spoke to a doggie day care place (the only one near where we live) who want £20 a day to keep my puppy locked in a crate at there premises (small terraced building in the town centre with no grass on a main road with no parking) this is totally unacceptable to me and I refused this. They then went on to say that they could come to walk my two dogs but the puppy still isn't covered with his vaccinations till next Tuesday. But I have asked them for prices on dog walking and also prices for another service they do where they come to the house and play with them for an hour. I think the hour play would be better for the puppy as your not supposed to walk them for very long are you? I remember with my old dog we had to build up the time we took him out.

 



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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: rubybella on May 24, 2017, 08:10:39 AM
That is an appalling example of doggy day care, I don't blame you for not wanting to send your dogs there! Have you looked into the 'Borrow my doggy' organisation ? Also try contacting a local dog trainer, they may know someone who could help you, or look into day boarding places, a groomer local to me does daily boarding. Hope this helps.

I hope you appreciate where I'm coming from. It's just when you are involved in picking up the pieces of what happens when dogs and puppies are left for long hours, it's very hard to sit back and not comment.
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 24, 2017, 08:18:52 AM
That is an appalling example of doggy day care, I don't blame you for not wanting to send your dogs there! Have you looked into the 'Borrow my doggy' organisation ? Also try contacting a local dog trainer, they may know someone who could help you, or look into day boarding places, a groomer local to me does daily boarding. Hope this helps.

I hope you appreciate where I'm coming from. It's just when you are involved in picking up the pieces of what happens when dogs and puppies are left for long hours, it's very hard to sit back and not comment.


I live in the middle of no where. The doggie day care belongs to the local groomers.

I have no idea where the local dog training place would be. We googled it as we want to start taking him to lessons and nothing in our area came up.

I used to live in Stoke on Trent and my old dog was trained there, I really do want to take him to classes but we can't find any.

We're the last village in Derbyshire on the South Yorkshire border. If anyone knows of a trainer near Worksop/Mansfield or retford I'd be much appreciated.


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: Londongirl on May 24, 2017, 08:47:45 AM
When Henry was little I had professional dog walker who came in once a week. He would give Henry a 15 minutes walk around the block then back home to play in the garden and make sure he had toileted. Lots of professional walkers will provide a 'puppy' service so it might be worth looking into.
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: Mudmagnets on May 24, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
Don't know if any of the clubs below would be any good to you and pup? Altho they are listed as KCGC clubs, they may do more general training as well, if that is what you are looking for.

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/training/good-citizen-dog-training-scheme/information-for-dog-owners/good-citizen-dog-scheme-training-clubs/dog-training-clubs-in-derbyshire/

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/training/good-citizen-dog-training-scheme/information-for-dog-owners/good-citizen-dog-scheme-training-clubs/dog-training-clubs-in-south-yorkshire/
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 24, 2017, 08:56:50 AM
Thanks


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: bmthmark on May 25, 2017, 09:23:35 AM
How is the puppy doing?
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 25, 2017, 09:38:50 AM
How is the puppy doing?

Both dogs are happy when we get home, there's minimal accidents just  1 wee on the puppy pad. I've been coming home in my lunch time as I couldn't leave them that long without going outside. Amazingly my manager let me take an hours lunch yesterday so I was with them for 40 minutes and they were running and playing in the garden.

I've also looked into doggie care and I have a lady doing a home evaluation on my and my boys tomorrow (Friday) that way if I need them to come and let them out or walk them everything will be set up and ready for them.

This is the way forward for me and my dogs. The lady's are fully insured and have had checks done. They also run/own a local dog groomers in town. They say they'll have a key to the house and keep it locked in their safe at the business and when I call or text they'll come over and either let them in the garden & play or go for a walk whatever I want on the day.

They seem like a good company so here goes.

Ps if I decide to do this I'm deffo getting security cameras in the house & garden.


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: bmthmark on May 25, 2017, 10:18:19 AM
How is the puppy doing?

Both dogs are happy when we get home, there's minimal accidents just  1 wee on the puppy pad. I've been coming home in my lunch time as I couldn't leave them that long without going outside. Amazingly my manager let me take an hours lunch yesterday so I was with them for 40 minutes and they were running and playing in the garden.

I've also looked into doggie care and I have a lady doing a home evaluation on my and my boys tomorrow (Friday) that way if I need them to come and let them out or walk them everything will be set up and ready for them.

This is the way forward for me and my dogs. The lady's are fully insured and have had checks done. They also run/own a local dog groomers in town. They say they'll have a key to the house and keep it locked in their safe at the business and when I call or text they'll come over and either let them in the garden & play or go for a walk whatever I want on the day.

They seem like a good company so here goes.

Ps if I decide to do this I'm deffo getting security cameras in the house & garden.


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Thanks for the update. I know exactly how hard it is to juggle work life and home life.
As they get older it does get easier. Mine is nearly 8 months old now and i'm starting to trust him more with things. Apart from yesterday when he decided to run off on a walk  :huh:  but he was ok in the end.

Once you get in a set routine and your puppy knows this routine it will be a lot easier.
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 25, 2017, 10:28:07 AM
How is the puppy doing?

Both dogs are happy when we get home, there's minimal accidents just  1 wee on the puppy pad. I've been coming home in my lunch time as I couldn't leave them that long without going outside. Amazingly my manager let me take an hours lunch yesterday so I was with them for 40 minutes and they were running and playing in the garden.

I've also looked into doggie care and I have a lady doing a home evaluation on my and my boys tomorrow (Friday) that way if I need them to come and let them out or walk them everything will be set up and ready for them.

This is the way forward for me and my dogs. The lady's are fully insured and have had checks done. They also run/own a local dog groomers in town. They say they'll have a key to the house and keep it locked in their safe at the business and when I call or text they'll come over and either let them in the garden & play or go for a walk whatever I want on the day.

They seem like a good company so here goes.

Ps if I decide to do this I'm deffo getting security cameras in the house & garden.


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Thanks for the update. I know exactly how hard it is to juggle work life and home life.
As they get older it does get easier. Mine is nearly 8 months old now and i'm starting to trust him more with things. Apart from yesterday when he decided to run off on a walk  :huh:  but he was ok in the end.

Once you get in a set routine and your puppy knows this routine it will be a lot easier.


I think a lot of it is my older dog's doing, he's keeping him calm teaching him when I'm away it's sleep time. He does moan at him when he sees him doing naughty things like dig up my plants! I often just sit and wonder, what is he saying to Loxley?!?!?

If only we knew!




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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: ollie1 on May 25, 2017, 10:29:04 AM
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This is how they were when I left them 15 minutes ago. ❤️❤️❤️❤️


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Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: Londongirl on May 25, 2017, 11:02:45 AM
Aw, that is so lovely. Having an older, calm dog must be a great help. Henry is my first dog and it took me far too long to realise I had to TEACH him how to be calm, he wasn't going to ever get it by himself!

Looks like you are all doing really well.
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: bmthmark on May 25, 2017, 11:07:05 AM
Aw, that is so lovely. Having an older, calm dog must be a great help. Henry is my first dog and it took me far too long to realise I had to TEACH him how to be calm, he wasn't going to ever get it by himself!

Looks like you are all doing really well.

I agree they do look like they are doing really well. Jett is my first dog and teaching him how to be calm is hard work  :005:
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: Londongirl on May 25, 2017, 11:18:54 AM
Aw, that is so lovely. Having an older, calm dog must be a great help. Henry is my first dog and it took me far too long to realise I had to TEACH him how to be calm, he wasn't going to ever get it by himself!

Looks like you are all doing really well.

I agree they do look like they are doing really well. Jett is my first dog and teaching him how to be calm is hard work  :005:

Can I just hijack this thread from lovely Loxley for a minute to say I saw a big read flag in your earlier post: 8 months old + ran off on your walk. There's a very good chance this is not a one-off, be prepared! Almost all of us have had perfect recall and dedicated little doggos until about this age, then zoom, they're off. I made the mistake of letting Henry go further and longer before I went back to basics with his training. Don't make the same mistake I did and keep an eye out for when he might need to go back on the lead.
Title: Re: Returning to work - pup worries
Post by: bmthmark on May 25, 2017, 11:44:40 AM
Aw, that is so lovely. Having an older, calm dog must be a great help. Henry is my first dog and it took me far too long to realise I had to TEACH him how to be calm, he wasn't going to ever get it by himself!

Looks like you are all doing really well.

I agree they do look like they are doing really well. Jett is my first dog and teaching him how to be calm is hard work  :005:

Can I just hijack this thread from lovely Loxley for a minute to say I saw a big read flag in your earlier post: 8 months old + ran off on your walk. There's a very good chance this is not a one-off, be prepared! Almost all of us have had perfect recall and dedicated little doggos until about this age, then zoom, they're off. I made the mistake of letting Henry go further and longer before I went back to basics with his training. Don't make the same mistake I did and keep an eye out for when he might need to go back on the lead.

Thanks Londongirl - it definitely raised alarm bells for me as it was such a shock. We were just walking our normal route, he was doing his normal sniffing around. 3 large dogs came running at him, he was spooked and normally he runs to me. This time he just ran and ran until he was gone :'(
Luckily another dog walker saw him and I found him waiting round the corner from where we were.
It was so out of character and a massive shock to me as I really thought he had gone and all the busy roads around, it was worrying times.
I will keep him close and go back to basics on the recall, do you recommend anything? or shall I keep doing regular recalls

It was a bad morning for us as 10 minutes after I got him on the lead he got bitten by a Jack Russell, on the nose which caused a nasty bite mark  :'( - so I am now cleaning the wound
Normally our walks are great and stress free, not yesterday!!

Sorry for changing the subject on this thread