Sicky bile

[Ambler54]

Lasr week Rosie had yet another tummy upset, sick and the runs, the last bout of sickness before We could go to the vets was just bile, but presumed She had an empty tum by then.No temperature etc so vet gave us some anti sick to settle the tum and a probiotic.Back to normal in a few days but last night She brought up bile again, poos are normal.She is horrendous when out for eating everything and anything I have to have eyes in the back of my head.So back to the vets I guess.She seems fine in Herself and has had breakfast with no problems.Any ideas on what is up with Her.

[feelreid]

What about a basket muzzle to stop her picking things up? Also, my boy had a dodgy tummy for a while,  being sick occasionally and while he didn't really have diarrhoea his poo was never 'solid'.  Long story short, he managed to get a spare rib bone - 6 inches long - and swallow it whole so had to get surgery to remove it.  While they were in there they found one of my sons winter gloves, been missing since fed and this was may last year.  It seems this was what was causing the poo/vomit problem by unsettling the bacteria in his tummy.  My point is could something similar be going on with your girl? xx

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[Londongirl]

Henry occasionally brings up bile if he has drunk too much water on an empty stomach. I don't know if he's intentionally making himself sick with the water to clear something out of his system or its just because he drinks it too fast. Either way, he always fine afterwards.

If Rosie had a bad tummy upset last week, her tum might still be sensitive, hence last night's bile vomit. Being fine in herself seems like a good sign. Of course you know your own dog best, though, when it comes to needing a vet visit.

[cazza]

Fern brings up bile occasionally like this - it's actually when she is over hungry and had a drink of water, as soon as she is fed she is fine

When do you feed her?

[Ambler54]

I thought I had read somewhere about it being to do with an empty tum.She has Her tea between 4.30/5 , try to hang it out as long as poss , a biscuit at bedtime and breakfast at 7 ish, just a token bowl of kibble with coconut oil.She has treats off and on throughout the day as We are still trying to encourage( as if) the recall and 'leave' whenever She looks like She might eat something.She is fine now, we have been for a walk, she played in the river and the mud as normal and She has had to have a bath as daughter is looking after Her this afternoon, son in law is fine with Rosie but has a thing about doggy smell, hence the bath..lol.I did ask the vet when we went about the upset tum if Rosie could have a foreign object and She did get a thorough examination then.I will see how She is tomorrow.

[phoenix]

Please ask for a general blood panel test.   You need to eliminate the possibility of a kidney or liver function problem .   I took Bobby to the vet with bile sick in the night and was fobbed off. I took him again for bad breath, to be told he needed teeth out.  As he was 8 he had the blood test before anaesthesia,  which showed kidney trouble, aand a proper look in his mouth showed his teeth were fine.
   What food do you use?      Stupid question, and don't mean to be offensive, but are you feeding her enough,  and maybe split it twice or even three times a day. How much coconut oil are you using,  a quarter of tsp is enough for a small dog. What colour are the poos?

[Archie bean]

Archie used to do this regularly. He was diagnosed with chronic colitis. The vet put him on a strict salmon and potato ONLY diet for 6 weeks. If you went down that route then you would probably have to muzzle her on her walks as any other food ruins the trial. Fortunately for me Archie isn't a scavenger.  It worked. I got lucky and discovered that he is totally fine on a fish only diet. I also had allergy tests done which indicates several foods that he can't eat. I can be a bit more flexible on his treats now but his food is still fish and potato. He has Fishmongers finest wet food and I buy a box of mixed flavours - salmon, trout and white fish. Treats are mostly fish skin chews, broccoli and his favourite milky bones. He also gets a charcoal Bonio before bed.

It's made such a difference to him I would definitely look into trying an exclusion diet to see if it throws any light on the situation. It doesn't have to be salmon, you can buy specialist food from the vet (£££  ) or just introduce a single protein source that you have never fed before. In my case that was salmon!

[its.sme]

I would ask for some test to rule out other issues,

A blood test could check for kidney problems , pancreatitis etc,.

Bea was bringing up Yellow foam but on examination was ok, she had Pancreatitis and a Kidney issue and this was only found due to the test, she s very good at hiding how unwell she feels.

[phoenix]

Its. sme, how is Bea  now?   Bobs kidney problem was called protein losing nephropathy , and the vet practice, one of the ones where you rarely see the same one, so they don't write proper notes were useless, and too late. I've now changed vets. 
Ambler , does she have any pain? Crouching, hunching, or sensitive to having the sides of her tummy. stroked? It could be a lot of different things. If it's been happening for  more than a couple of weeks,  it's not normal, so follow your gut instincts. Only you know your dog. You employ the vet to help you, they are not there to patronise you or put up with you for your money.   Write down your questions,  and our suggestions. Say you want a blood test, or go elsewhere.
I sound harsh, but it's from  bitter experience, and I'm a bossy retired teacher, and these vets look awfully young these days! Do let us know how you both get on.

[its.sme]

Hi Phoenix,

She is fine, she has Calcium deposits in her Kidneys which has not worsened since Christmas and her kidneys are showing no need of support etc,. It's something that we need to keep an eye on.

Bea didn't show any other signs of Pancreatitis other than the yellow foam, that's why I pushed for the blood test.

We must be able to trust our Vets, if I felt that I was not being listened too then I would change in a hart beat just as you did, I'm with you, we pay them the money to help us look after our fury family

Sharon.

[cazza]

I thought I had read somewhere about it being to do with an empty tum.

Remember every dog is different, just like us humans - what affect some will affect others in different ways

Just cos this is how my Fernie is, doesn't mean it is the same for yours

just want you to be aware

Hope you get to the bottom of this and get her sorted 

[phoenix]

Karma's post had reminded me that if you do go to the vet, take an early morning wee sample with you .