this was really to sue h. sorry, but i disagree. i do have very good knowledge of the cocker, but like i have said i'm starting out, and i did think it was scent marking, but nice to hear from people if they have experienced this, as in most books it does not mention two males getting it on. so hence why i turned to col.
but most breeders are new when they start out, and i'm sure there knowledge is the same, and your knowledge can only grow with time.
i'm not going into breeding to make money as you refered to, but to improve the breed, and have the fulfilment in raising my cocker puppies, and will have no more than 2 litters ayear.
and felt most upset by your comement, but hey every breeder has to start somwhere.