Puppy and older dog issues

[Happyfeet]

Hi, this is my first post on the forum. Nice to meet you all!
So I have a gorgeous almost 11 week old cocker puppy. She is very typical for this age pup, alternating from sweet and cuddly to crazy zoomies and biting!
Her toilet training is going ok ish, going outside about 70% of the time but will also go in her pen if she is in there, she?s super happy to meet people who come to the house and she sleeps well with just one or two toilet breaks. She loves play and we have done bits of basic training which she picks up well.

All is good. Apart from one big issue! My other dogs. My old rescue girl is a generally placid dog who has always got on ok with other dog, not fussed to play with them, she was super sweet when my boy came home a few years ago. She has been attacked badly by a dog which knocked her confidence so will bark at unknown dogs but loves friends dogs and ones she knows.
My boy is a shy personality but he has been well Socialised and met lots of dogs and who again is usually good with other dogs, will play, etc and has always been polite with friends puppy?s.
They are both struggling with new puppy however.

She has a pen she goes in for sleep, but when she is free in the living room with us unless I intervene she will endlessly pester the other dogs! They growl at her and she loves it! She keeps going back for more play bowing them and will paw their heads until they snap at her - she?s still not bothered, sees it as a game! I am spending my days refereeing, giving them breaks from her while she goes for a sleep. They are their usual happy selves when she?s not pouncing on them so I don?t think they are
massively stressed but obviously it?s not great for them.
Does anyone have any words of wisdom. I?m worried pup is going to end up thinking all dogs growl and snap at her and that?s not the early socialisation experiences I want for her! And I?m worried the older dogs must be getting fed up!

UPDATE! this morning pup and middle boy dog played brilliantly together!! Amazing!
Thank you!

[Issy]

Hi Happyfeet and welcome to the forum.
I can?t really add advice to this as you are doing everything that we did introducing our puppy to our older dog.
Just wanted to say that I hope things settle down for you as I remember how exhausting it was for the few weeks our Springer sulked.
I was pleased to read your update and hope that is a sign of things to come  .

[Digger]

Hiya! Can't help but feel slightly jealous that you've got two dogs to take the brunt of some of the cocker pup agro - mine reserved all of hers for me! Heeheehee!
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Just wanted to say, I've got a working type cocker ( my first cocker) and although I don't have any other dogs in the house, she was immediately socialised twice daily with all sorts of other dogs, and, like yours, my goodness was she in their faces! She would get growled at and nipped and would still go back for more! She was utterly relentless. It was totally all play, but she must have been so annoying!!
. She got quite badly roughed up a few times, so I just wanted to say that my pup is now 14 months and that in my experience:
a) They are quite tough and the regular tellings off don't seem to have made her nervous of other dogs at all- she is still very sociable and friendly with other dogs and has lots of friends ( some of whom told her off when she was younger).
b) Eventually she learned to approach other dogs with her paws on the floor.
If meeting a new dog head on now, she now does a polite down position and let's the other dog decide if they're having a play or just saying hi.
c) It is not one sided-our dog is fantastically tolerant with puppies-they can jump all over her head and she takes it all with good humour..maybe she remembers what she was like!

So, on balance, (this is just my opinion-as I am not an expert) but as long as your older dogs aren't getting too upset - not really old or Ill or something I would probably (keep an eye on them obviously) but let them sort it out between themselves. It sounds like your two existing dogs are nice people and wouldn't hurt the pup, perhaps if you give them permission to do what they think is appropriate, they can probably explain the rules to him quicker than you can, not speaking dog. If you know what I mean!
I had a springer before and I have to say, this little cocker has been very much harder in every way. We had to use tome out in the boring hallway for bad behaviour..Anything else she just thought was a hilarious game. She's doing great now though so it all comes good in the end.
I'm sure your dogs will all fit together just fine once the little whippersnapper has been put in its place! They are funny.
I can say that now.
For you....he stocked up on wine.

[Happyfeet]

Issy - thank you, glad we are doing similar to you, sorry you had a sulky springer but glad it was resolved after a few weeks !

Digger - your dog sounds amazing and similar to mine  . So lovely and reassuring to hear your happy dog has remained happy and loving of all other dogs - cute she?s still tolerant to others as she?s got older too! What a star. Your post has really reassured me and great to hear so thank you. Ps if your forum name is something else she does a lot of!!

The last couple days days I have relaxed a bit and not been on edge when the dogs snapped at her and it?s getting a bit better each day  . My old girl is being much more tolerant of her and will now allow her to join her while she sleeps which is cute. Boy dog is doing ok, occasionally he will play with her but then she jumps on his head and he runs under the table growling . I?m drinking lots of gin and my ?working from home? is none existent but I?m totally smitten with the bundle of snuggly cuteness and impressed how quick to learn she is (proud mum moment!!)

[Issy]

So pleased they are starting to all get along  . 
Our two ( Poppy is eight months and Smudge seven years) get along really well now, Poppy is out of her crate and sleeping in the kitchen alongside Smudge.
I am trying to work from home this morning with both dogs now crashed out by my feet after Poppy got muttered at by Smudge who objected to her trying to clean his teeth for him but in a nice sort of just let me sleep type of way  .
Your dogs sound lovely and am sure things will right themselves.

[Penelope]

I feel your pain!! When Maximus joined our family, we had Suki (13 year old rescue), Dexter 8 year old cavalier x poodle and Alfie 6 year old whippet poodle.
Suki immediately put Max in his place and he respected her (sadly we lost her recently)  Dexter also put him in his place.
Alfie, however, thought "fantastic, a new young energetic playmate!" He let Maximus get away with murder.  Now Max has his second teeth and it's not so painless any more.  Alfie tries to tell him off and Max just 'laughs in his face!"
He drives Alfie (and us!) crazy - won't leave him alone, constantly wanting to play and rough and tumble with him.

We give Max time out to give Alfie a break and are constantly playing referee between the two of them whilst Dexter sits back and giggles on the sofa!   
Maximus is now 8 months old and starting to get a tiny weeny bit calmer -so we are hoping that things will start to settle down and Alfie will enjoy his playmate again.
The joys of owning a cocker puppy!!!

[Digger]

Hi Happyfeet-great to hear things are going well.
I am sure it will all be fine. Dogs are amazing in the way that they sort things out and just accept who's who. We could learn from that!
My user name is actually in memory of my lovely Springer, Digger who we lost last year at 15. He was fantastic..And he never dug holes...and...as if my cocker would dig holes either...I don't know what you're talking about...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaggggghhhhh!
Our 14 month old is a little solid black girl. She is called Inca. And yes, working from home?! Ha! I just said to my husband the other day that we have had her for just over a year and it has only been the last week or two when I have started to feel like I can get anything done! I don't regret this time out of my normal life though because I have devoted it mainly to her. She has been very hard work, a hideous bitey puppy, naughty as anything and had me worried a few times with some very COCKY behaviours but I blundered on with the consistency (and wine) and I now have a (still very young) dog who's most serious crime now is picking things up she shouldn't have and pulling on the lead a bit. She has fantastic recall, will stop on a whistle, loves all people and all breeds of dog, Is happy and looks like 12 kilos of shining muscle!
 The other day as I watched my 18 month old granddaughter take her bowl of food off her while she was eating and proceed to hand feed it back to her with her tiny fingers I silently crossed off vicious guarder.
My point is, we are working hard with these doggies. And you have to,but it's worth it. If you don't, you have problems (I did and I still had problems) but I met someone the other day who hasn't put any effort in at all and her poor beautiful 8month old girl has never been off the lead. I could have cried.
Keep doing what you're doing. Your pup sounds like a lovely bouncy confident little monkey-which in  the long run is what you want!