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Anal Sac Carcinoma - DNA Test
« on: January 19, 2017, 02:32:38 PM »
I thought I would let everyone know that Bristol University are currently obtaining blood samples from Cockers with Anal Sac Carcinoma.

The University is working on a DNA test breeders can have  carried out on their dogs prior to mating.

I know this is genuine as my dog has recently had surgery for the condition,  and his blood will be part of the study.

I hope they come up with this test before too long as this condition is devasting and far too common in the breed.

I also hope breeders will have the foresight to do it and then, over time, it will be eradicated from the breed.

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Re: Anal Sac Carcinoma - DNA Test
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2017, 03:24:08 PM »
Thanks for the info and all the best for your boy!

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Re: Anal Sac Carcinoma - DNA Test
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2017, 03:52:01 PM »
Really?  So it's carried genetically then?  My girl, Emily died from this  :'(, and I have her nephew.  I know her oncologist took various samples to send to Cambridge for their research into the disease, but hadn't realized it was hereditary. It is a vicious disease - would be great if it could be eradicated from cockers.
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Re: Anal Sac Carcinoma - DNA Test
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2017, 04:26:33 PM »
I lost my previous cocker to this horrid disease so it's great that efforts are being made to prevent others going through it in the future.

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Re: Anal Sac Carcinoma - DNA Test
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2017, 05:50:41 PM »
Really?  So it's carried genetically then?  My girl, Emily died from this  :'(, and I have her nephew.  I know her oncologist took various samples to send to Cambridge for their research into the disease, but hadn't realized it was hereditary. It is a vicious disease - would be great if it could be eradicated from cockers.

I'm so sorry to hear you lost your Emily also from this disease - and yes its awful to find out your dog has it, which I did 8 weeks ago.

Yes I'm afraid it is genetic.  There were 3 dogs in the last litter I bred, and all 3 of them had it.  One had his anal glands removed a year ago, one we lost in May (my daughters boy and we are devastated) and now my boy Blue too....and I know exactly where its come from.  Unfortunately my bitch had already had the litter before I found out there was a problem.   The trouble is the tumour grows in the anal sac and its often too late before we realise its even there.  My daughters boy's tumour was tiny, it could only be seen on Ultrasound, but had already spread through his system. 

Yes it would be great if it could be eradicated...but we all know only responsible breeders will have the test done..unfortunately.


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Re: Anal Sac Carcinoma - DNA Test
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2017, 10:33:59 AM »
Really?  So it's carried genetically then?  My girl, Emily died from this  :'(, and I have her nephew.  I know her oncologist took various samples to send to Cambridge for their research into the disease, but hadn't realized it was hereditary. It is a vicious disease - would be great if it could be eradicated from cockers.

I'm so sorry to hear you lost your Emily also from this disease - and yes its awful to find out your dog has it, which I did 8 weeks ago.

Yes I'm afraid it is genetic.  There were 3 dogs in the last litter I bred, and all 3 of them had it.  One had his anal glands removed a year ago, one we lost in May (my daughters boy and we are devastated) and now my boy Blue too....and I know exactly where its come from.  Unfortunately my bitch had already had the litter before I found out there was a problem.   The trouble is the tumour grows in the anal sac and its often too late before we realise its even there.  My daughters boy's tumour was tiny, it could only be seen on Ultrasound, but had already spread through his system. 

Yes it would be great if it could be eradicated...but we all know only responsible breeders will have the test done..unfortunately.
Thank you.  We found it quite early and had it removed, but it was one of the most aggressive forms, and sadly came back.  She had 2 surgeries, and almost 2 years 'extra', and left us when she was 13 and a half - so not bad, all things considered.  Her nephew is 12 now, and I'm quite paranoid about him developing the same.

How sad for you to have had 3 from the same litter develop this.  Sorry to hear that.  I hope Blue's recovery goes well.  And thank you for the information - I think awareness of the condition being hereditary is vital.
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Re: Anal Sac Carcinoma - DNA Test
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2017, 07:19:07 PM »
Do you have any more information about the research please Xensgirl?

I'd like to post about on a couple of Cocker Facebook groups that I belong to, to raise awareness of the disease, but it would be useful to be able to post a link about the research and the hereditary problem. Until I read your post I had no idea that it can be hereditary.

I hope Blue does well  :bigarmhug:

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Re: Anal Sac Carcinoma - DNA Test
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2017, 08:24:11 PM »
Do you have any more information about the research please Xensgirl?

I'd like to post about on a couple of Cocker Facebook groups that I belong to, to raise awareness of the disease, but it would be useful to be able to post a link about the research and the hereditary problem. Until I read your post I had no idea that it can be hereditary.

I hope Blue does well  :bigarmhug:

I'll type out the information I have....and I am so pleased you are also making people aware of this devastating disease too.   Unfortunately, many Cocker Spaniel owners don't even know its hereditary.  If we can get people to have their dogs anal glands checked regularly then more dogs will be saved. The sooner its diagnosed the more chance of survival.  Also when this DNA test is available, though it could well be quite a while.... hopefully breeders will have their dogs tested before mating them. Unfortunately as we both know, only responsible breeders will do it...but even that will make a difference.

I made a mistake...Its the University of Cambridge, not Bristol. (so much going on in my head at the moment I'm afraid).  I'm typing out the letter I received from Dick White Referrals Specialist Veterinary Centre at Newmarket where Blue had his surgery, and I gave my permission, of course, for a sample of Blue's blood to be part of the study.  I have a name and email address for the Doctor of Veterinary Medicine who's name is on the letter....I don't think I had better put it on here though. So if you want it I will PM you with it ok.

Thank you also for asking about Blue. Almost 8 weeks post surgery, he is doing well, happy and back to usual laid back, loving self.  However, he is having a few problems passing stools, it appears to be neurological...the signals are not quite getting through properly. A lot of dogs end up incontinent after this surgery...and it is a huge surgery. Blue was cut down from his anal glands, right under his stomach to the end of his penis.  He developed an abscess on the wound on his stomach and was really quite ill after the surgery too. I'm taking him to Dick White Referrals in the next couple of weeks so the can do an ultrasound and check the bowel thing is just nerve damage and nothing else.  I will be taking him for 3 monthly ultrasounds so they can keep a check the cancer hasn't returned....but I know it will come back at some stage...this cancer usually does.  I just hope its not for a long time yet.  I am so very bonded with Blue, we all have that 'one' or if we are lucky two dogs in our lifetime who are so very special, and Blue is it for me.

I decided against Chemo, Blue has other health problems also and I know his system wouldn't cope with it. So I've contacted a Hollistic Vet and we are doing his aftercare the natural way instead. She has some very good results with dogs affected with this cancer.

Please do let me know what response you get from the other groups won't you.

Very pleased you are spreading the word!!  Julie and Blue (and his mum Rio) xx

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Anal sac apocrine gland carcinoma in English Cocker Spaniels and other Spaniel breeds.

English Cocker Spaniels suffer anal sac gland carcinoma with very high frequency (relative risk of +7) when compared with the whole dog population (Polton et al., 2006).  Other Spaniel breeds also show a predisposition to this tumour, although at a less elevated level.

We have performed immunochemical studies of anal sac gland carcinomas with E-cadherin to develop methods for prognostic assessment, showing an association of E-cadherin staining of the tumour with enchanced survival (Polton et al., 2005).  The high level of breed specificity of this tumour implies a genetic element in predisposition to it. 

We are now collecting samples for study using high density genetic mapping techniques to compare anal sac carcinoma affected and normal animals.  This will allow us to recognise chromosome regions, and eventually genes, associated with the predisposition of this tumour.  We hope to throw light on the biology of this adenocarcinoma and may also be able to develop DNA profiling tests that will allow Vets to provide breeding advice leading to the reduction of the frequency of this tumour in English Cocker Spaniels and perhaps other breeds also.

We are looking to collect blood samples from anal sac gland carcinoma affected English Cocker Spaniels and affected dogs of other Spaniel breeds. 


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Re: Anal Sac Carcinoma - DNA Test
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2017, 10:12:02 PM »
Thanks for your reply Xensgirl :D. I'm going to copy and paste the letter to the Cocker Facebook groups I belong to, with a brief explanation of what it's all about.

I didn't realise how invasive the surgery is until reading your post. I'm pleased that Blue is back to being a happy boy, and really hope that he will be with you for a long time yet xx

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Re: Anal Sac Carcinoma - DNA Test
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2017, 10:29:39 PM »
My science is limited - can you explain what 'relative risk of +7' means please?
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Re: Anal Sac Carcinoma - DNA Test
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2017, 11:03:16 PM »
My science is limited - can you explain what 'relative risk of +7' means please?

To be honest I haven't got a clue either! Its all a bit tecnical...and obviously the letter was srnt to Vets.

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Re: Anal Sac Carcinoma - DNA Test
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2017, 11:04:56 PM »
My science is limited - can you explain what 'relative risk of +7' means please?
I think it means that Cockers are 7 times more likely to develop the disease than the dog population in general. I tried googling it but the explanations went way over my head ph34r

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Re: Anal Sac Carcinoma - DNA Test
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2017, 11:11:33 PM »
Thanks for your reply Xensgirl :D. I'm going to copy and paste the letter to the Cocker Facebook groups I belong to, with a brief explanation of what it's all about.

I didn't realise how invasive the surgery is until reading your post. I'm pleased that Blue is back to being a happy boy, and really hope that he will be with you for a long time yet xx

The letter obviously went to Vets so its all a bit tecnical for me.....but all Cocker owners need to be aware of this disease.
The surgery is very invasive, more so for Blue as he had 2 lymph nodes removed too. If its caught before it spreads that far then its just anal gland removal. I really didnt expect it to be such a big op either ....but the alternative was watch him become very ill and euthanasia.  I'm very lucky it hadn't  spread further.  Again let me know the response you get won't you 😊

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Re: Anal Sac Carcinoma - DNA Test
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2017, 07:31:33 AM »
This does seem to be something that few of us were aware of although there have been regular posts on anal gland problems generally. Would  it be possible to do a pin on this on the health section, to draw people attention to the risk?

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Re: Anal Sac Carcinoma - DNA Test
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2017, 07:49:01 AM »
This does seem to be something that few of us were aware of although there have been regular posts on anal gland problems generally. Would  it be possible to do a pin on this on the health section, to draw people attention to the risk?


I think thats a great idea. I've had a quick look online and if google Cambridge University Anal Sac Carcinoma the letter I received is there plus other information. Perhaps an email to the Doctor who is on the letter might be a thought?