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Cocker Specific Discussion => Health => Topic started by: caro on April 14, 2011, 09:26:06 AM
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She was clipped yesterday as her coat had got so long and woolly.
She looks lovely but she is behaving really strangely. She keeps scuttling off and lying down quickly - she's ok if she's out on a walk but if she's at home she just keeps lying down and running to lie down. Last time she was like this was 5 years ago when she was spayed and had a sore tummy.
Is it simply a case of her feeling naked and strange? Or is she traumatised?
I feel awful :'( and would be grateful for any advice, many thanks x
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Poor Fern :luv:
They haven't nicked her have they or gone too close with the clippers and given her "razor burn"? This happened to one of mine once.
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I'm not sure, there doesn't appear to be any redness anywhere - although it is very close in places.
I am at work and hubby is with her today, I feel so upset and worried and feel bad for what we have done to her
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Caroline I am so sorry to hear this
Can't really offer any help I am afraid as never had any of mine at the groomers
Love and hugs to Fern
Fern sends cocker kisses to Fern and you too x x x :-*
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Aww Hi Cazza, lovely to hear from you kisses to you and Fern too. I wish I could give my Fern a warm cuddle but stuck at work
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Bless her, something as obviously upset poor Fern.... How long was she there?
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Maggie behaved similar to that for a day or so when I brought her back from the groomers last time, as far as I could see she hadn't been nicked but she was very closed clipped round her lady parts! and every now and then it seemed to really bother her. Almost like razor burn as Holly Berry said....
For that and the problems with her back I've decided not to take her back and am trying to do her myself at home. She might not be the prettiest cocker now but I know how long she's standing for etc and I can just trim her little and often.
Hope Fern has settled down by the time you get home :luv:
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Maybe the cut is a bit itchy scratchy in places if it is really short? Hope she settles down.
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Thanks everyone, I just rang hubby and he said she is scuffing her bottom alot along the grass so I've rang the groomer to ask if she did her anal glands and she said she did and possibly is a bit itchy? She said to put some distilled witchhazel on her, I've never heard of it, she said can get from chemist.
Does emptying glands cause discomfort? I thought it was uncomfortable when they are full :huh: :'(
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Bless her, something as obviously upset poor Fern.... How long was she there?
She was there just under 2 hours - I've just called the vets and they said that the groomer probably didn't empty the glands properly, and she's scooting to try and clear them, they said to bring her in if it keeps up or if she starts chewing.
So annoying because she wasn't having any problems with her glands before :'(
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They shouldn't if they needed doing, unless she has some infection. Was she showing signs of needing them doing?
I know as routine now dogs anal glands can be checked as part of the groom. It may be that they didn't need help emptying, has she had problems, or not had a poo before her groom?
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Hi Holly, she wasn't showing signs of them needing doing
In the past she's smelt when they are full but we started giving her a tiny amount of all bran in her breakfast and has been fine for a couple of years. She had a poo before the groom. I wish she hadn't done it - or at least she could have asked!
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This happened to Spud after he had been to the groomers, she had emptied his anal glands and he had got an infection.
Hope Fern is feeling better soon
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Ooh poor spud - was it instant or did it come on a few days later?
I am going to assess her when I get home from work (leaving soon) and take her to the vets if she's still off.
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If I can remember correctly it was instant
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Hope you are back to your old self soon Fern............sorry you are having some discomfort.
Sending cyber hugs and cocker kisses. :luv: :luv:
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Hi everyone, I took Fern to the vets as when I got home from work it was clear that she was really uncomfortable. He examined her bottom - she screamed the place down, and wet herself :'( :'( :'( it was totally awful.
The vet said she was very sore although her glands were empty, he thinks she may have a ruptured gland, but he couldn't really tell. He has given her an anti-inflammatory injection and some antibiotics and she has to go back Saturday maybe for another anti-inflammatory as they only last 2 days.
If she was sore before, she's worse now - poor love I feel absolutely awful :'( and all because of a bl***y haircut >:D
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I hope fern recovers quickly, I don't know why some groomers insist on doing anal glands, especially if they are fine, but perhaps that's just me.
Fingers crossed for a quick recovery
Phil
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Ah no, poor poppet :'( No wonder she's been so uncomfortable..... Fingers crossed the meds kick in and she becomes more comfortable very very quickly.
Gentle squidges for your girl from me and Maggie :bigarmhug:
xx
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Aww poor Fern :luv: :luv: :-* :-* speedy recovery lil girl :luv:
I would say the groomer has alot to answer for and I would be having words and telling her what the vet has said >:D
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Oh poor Fern, I hope she's feeling better soon :bigarmhug:
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Poor Fern :luv: hope she is feeling more comfortable soon.
I agree with others, groomer >:D needs to be informed of the vets opinion.
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Poor Fern, that sounds so sore. Hope she soon feels better.
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Feel so sorry for little Fern. Can a ruptured anal gland be repaired or does it right its self !!!?? Cassie has hers done regularly and now I'm a bit scared, should I ask the groomer to leave it alone?. Is there an "external" way of telling if they need to be emptied?
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Poor Fern. :'( Hope she's feeling better soon.
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Feel so sorry for little Fern. Can a ruptured anal gland be repaired or does it right its self !!!?? Cassie has hers done regularly and now I'm a bit scared, should I ask the groomer to leave it alone?. Is there an "external" way of telling if they need to be emptied?
Hiya not really sure but vet said if one has ruptured it should repair in time with antibiotics. I think experts should be able to tell if they are full - we would know from scooting or smell, but she wasn't displaying either.
I'm really not sure whether to complain to groomer, she knows from my phone call this morning that Fern now has problem from it - it may be that she was a bit sensitive in that area. I know many groomers just do it as part of the service. Maybe see how much the bill is, and get some advice from the vet. Do you all think I should ask her to pay?
I feel quite traumatised from the experience in the vets - not only was Fern screaming but she was also vocal to the point of nearly growling - and also wet herself. I feel SO SO bad - keep hugging her tonight - bet she won't want to go to the vets again.
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When mine used to go to the groomers, Vegas would be at the vets within a few days because of his anal glands - without fail! I always put it down to a weird coincidence as the groomer never mentioned emptying them but it never seemed to happen once I started clipping him at home :-\
A ruptured anal gland sounds very painful - poor girl :'( Hope the antibiotics kick in quickly and she feels better really soon :luv:
If the vets aren't too far away from you, it might be an idea, once she is better, to just pop along when they are quiet and sit in the waiting room with her for a few minutes with some yummy treats then leave - that way she shouldn't start to associate the vets with only bad experiences.
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Sorry to hear about Fern's anal glands & her upsetting visit to the vets :'(
I'm really not sure whether to complain to groomer, she knows from my phone call this morning that Fern now has problem from it - it may be that she was a bit sensitive in that area. I know many groomers just do it as part of the service. Maybe see how much the bill is, and get some advice from the vet. Do you all think I should ask her to pay?
I feel quite traumatised from the experience in the vets - not only was Fern screaming but she was also vocal to the point of nearly growling - and also wet herself. I feel SO SO bad - keep hugging her tonight - bet she won't want to go to the vets again.
Tbh i would be angry with the groomer >:( i can understand if you had asked her to empty her anal glands but you didn't, so i would ask her to pay the vet's bill. :shades: I have never let even my vet touch any of my dog's anal glands because imo once they start emptying them it becomes a regular event. :016: Unless there is a problem with their glands i think it is best to leave them alone. ;)
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poor wee girl :'( :'(
Please don't blame yourself :bigarmhug:
I agree with Ninasmum about the groomer and the vet's bill ;)
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Just checking back to see how Fern is and I'm shocked, hope she feels better soon :luv: :luv:
My vet showed me how to empty anal glands, but fortunately never had to do it. You can feel if they need doing, and this usually coinsides with the scooting and biting after having a poo. I also recently went on a grooming course and was suprised that even on a one day course we were instructed how to empty them.
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Thanks all :bigarmhug: I can't believe I've been away from this site so long you are all so lovely :luv:
I will go along to the vets on Sat and then get the bill so see what the damage is - we paid the groomer in cash, not sure how legit the business even is, but it was the vet receptionist that recommended her! When I took her into the vets today she kept saying how nice she looked and how lovely the groomer was and I was like gritting my teeth thinking I wish i'd never gone! >:(
Do you think I could just write a letter to the groomer with a copy of the bill and then never go again :embarassed:
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When mine used to go to the groomers, Vegas would be at the vets within a few days because of his anal glands - without fail! I always put it down to a weird coincidence as the groomer never mentioned emptying them but it never seemed to happen once I started clipping him at home :-\
A ruptured anal gland sounds very painful - poor girl :'( Hope the antibiotics kick in quickly and she feels better really soon :luv:
If the vets aren't too far away from you, it might be an idea, once she is better, to just pop along when they are quiet and sit in the waiting room with her for a few minutes with some yummy treats then leave - that way she shouldn't start to associate the vets with only bad experiences.
Thanks Jay that's good advice!
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This is exactly why I was taught NOT to empty anal glands unless specifically requested by the owner. A lot of groomers do it as part of groom, but I wont for just this sort of reason. I even refused to do someones dogs a while back as she was wanting them done every visit and they didn't need doing it would have just made him sore. Hope you get itsorted for your baby.
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How is Fern today Caroline??? sending loads of love and hugs from here for a speedy recovery :luv:
My Fern has got her nose out of joint at the mo and can't wait for Saturday morning when she gets her house back - she really knows how to make me feel guilty for puppy sitting :005:
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Hiya she's about the same today - she was fine out walking in the field but started running to sit as soon as she got back, and was then wanting to sit on me and be cuddled for ages :luv: she's sleeping now. Poor baby girl with sore bottom. I just hope the vet tomorrow doesn't want to 'examine' her as that will just hurt her all over again. I'm hoping I can just ask him to give another anti inflammatory injection. I really hope there's no permanent damage :'(
We'd do doggy sitting if we didn't have a cat (as much as I love her), I'd love to be able to do that for people - one day maybe!
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I'm just catching up with your thread Caroline :o :'(
I'm so sorry Ferns having a terrible time at the moment & hope things settle down very soon for her :luv:
I can only echo what others have said in ref to the Groomer but have to say mine never goes near Purdeys glands - that is left to the vet (& from experience, I know how difficult it can be & I try to stick to one particular vet who seems to be able to do it quickly but efficiently, causing less stress for Purdey.)
Gentle healing hugs for little Fern & for you too :bigarmhug: :-*
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So sorry to hear all this and hope Fern is starting to feel a little less sor. As others have already said. I think it important that the groomer is aware of her part in all of this as you would hate to think of another dog going through it just because of her heavy handedness.
Eve
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Does anyone have any advice on what I could do to make her more comfortable?
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I think that the best thing you can do for her is just to be there. She'll feel better if you are with her. The anti-inflammatory injection has a pain-relieving effect, so that will be helping too.
Not all groomers empty anal glands as a standard procedure, so I don't think that your groomer should have assumed you wanted it done as routine. I certainly wouldn't. We did once have an accident at the groomers with our first cocker, she nicked Lucy's paw whilst trimming underneath. She was very apologetic indeed and paid the vet's bill as a matter of course, we went straight to the vet, the groomer went in with us and asked them to send her the bills.
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When I called to ask if she'd done glands she said sorry she was uncomfortable and suggested I put some witch hazel on it - I don't know her surname or anything - just her first name and telephone number. I am not a person who likes complaining so it is very awkward, that's why I thought perhaps writing to her?
What do you think may have caused all the discomfort? She must be used to doing them. I just put some sudocream on her bottom but she didn't seem to like it so have washed it off with a warm flannel. Have never seen her looking so miserable apart from when she was spayed. :'(
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Just coming on for an update on Fern. Sorry she has had so many problems since her grooming. Sounds like it is more than just a bit of discomfort too.
Wishing you a speedy recovery little Fern. xxxx
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Just coming on for an update on Fern. Sorry she has had so many problems since her grooming. Sounds like it is more than just a bit of discomfort too.
Wishing you a speedy recovery little Fern. xxxx
Aww thanks ever so much - well she was quite sore again today, and at lunchtime she normally comes and sits at my feet in the kitchen when I prepare food but she didn't, and when I had my lunch she just stayed in her chair. Then I had to go out for an hour so left her with a kong as I normally do. When I got home she greeted me in her usual excitable fashion, running up and down the hallway, and didn't scuttle and lie down at all! I felt it was a corner turned! We then went out for a walk and she was ok - although she hasn't had a poo since the visit to the vet, I am sure that will hurt.
I am thinking the antibiotics must be starting already, she has only had two though. I really do hope she is on the mend.
I am a bit worried about taking her to the vet tomorrow and traumatising her all over again so if I think she's much better I may cancel it but if I think she could do with another anti-inflammatory then I will take her but ask him not to examine her.
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:bigarmhug: sending hugs to both of you.
This sounds awful poor Fern. I'm really worried now as Connie goes to the groomers and they empty them every time i think. I must have thought that was normal and has to be done but reading the posts it seems not.
If they dont have their anal glads emptied do they eventually need to get done at the vets or do they empty naturally?
Sorry to ask questions but this has worried me as whats happened to Fern is so awful.
I hope it goes okay at the vets tomorrow.
Angie x
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Hi Angie, I think if your dog regularly has hers done then there shouldn't be a problem.
Fern doesn't have hers done as a rule although I think I've taken her to the vet twice in 6 years because she was smelly and scooting. She usually clears them when she poos, and a tiny bit of bran in her diet definitely helps.
Some dogs have trouble emptying them naturally and need to have them done manually. I think this is why people are shocked that this groomer did it without asking, as not all dogs require it. They shouldn't just do it as a matter of course, because it can sometimes lead to them only being able to be emptied manually once you start down this road.
There are quite a lot of threads on anal glands if you're worried, but I don't think you need to be - unless you want to have a try at seeing if Connie empties them naturally. You'll know if hers have got blocked as it smells (fishy) and she will scoot.
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Thanks Caroline i felt sick when i read what's happened to Fern it sounds so awful for her.
I hope she's feeling better and is on the mend.
Angie x
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Thanks Angie, it's been a tough couple of days - spent ages pondering whether to even go down the grooming route, then we decided it was in her best interests as she was so woolly and knotty. It was not an easy decision but we made it, and then this happened :'(
She does seem to be a bit better, she was all over me earlier when I had a piece of cake, whereas this morning and lunchtime when I prepared and ate food she wouldn't even get up which was very unusual.
I will post an update after I've been to the vet tomorrow - although it's a retired one who does Saturdays but I will try and ask some questions and get his opinion on it all if I can. Having said that I will probably want to get her out asap!
xxx
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OOO sounds as tho she is starting to feel a wee bit better
Fen says .......... make your mummy suffer as long as possible as you get lots of goodies that way :005:
Seriously hoping your fern recovers / is less sore real soon :luv: :-*
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Cazza it is a bit like that she had a "relapse" when hubby got hom from work, but I do think it is genuine - she's had a poo now and that was ok so that's something less to worry about. She is getting a few more treats :005:
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Hi guys, Fern was still uncomfortable this morning. Took our trip to the vets, she walked in fine, which was a relief. I asked vet not to examine and he said he wouldn't but then decide to give a little squeeze >:D. Luckily she didn't scream, although she did wet herself again :'(
He doesn't think there is anything serious to worry about, he thinks she is just sore, and also a bit uncomfortable from the short back and sides her rear end has received. He's given me some cream to put on her bot twice a day.
Cost of the two visits plus meds £49. Could have been worse, the vet consultation was put down as 'minor' and £9.06 each whereas they are usually at least £25 - maybe that's them feeling responsible for putting me in touch with groomer in first place :-\
I asked if he felt she shouldn't have done it, and he just shrugged it off as something they often do and not a problem; didn't like him very much >:(
But I think Fern is on the mend - what a horrible few days though - have to learn how to groom her properly myself, not going to put her through that again!
Thank you for all your support :-*
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Poor Fern, she must be very sore and uncomfortable, especially when examined. I'm really pleased to hear she is getting better even if it is slowly.
I hope you see a bigger improvement in her over the weekend.
Angie x
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Pleased she is starting to feel a little better.
Eve
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:luv: :luv: glad to hear she is on the mend
Are you googling courses on grooming now ??? Good luck grooming her yourself in future :-*
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So glad to read that Fern is recovering from her ordeal.....poor little girl.
Sending cyber hugs through the air waves. :luv: :luv:
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Glad Fern is feeling a bit better.
I used to groom my cockers myself and it was not the easiest thing in the world, but at least if you mess it up, YOU have made the mistake not someone else and let's face it, the fur grows back very quickly.
Good luck and hope that Fern is 100% again very soon.
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Thanks everyone, yes she is loads better :D - have been thinking about grooming her myself - but will probably wait a couple of months before making any decisions. It's such a shame because the groomer has done a fantastic job with her coat. She just looks like she did before she was spayed. We are making a point of brushing her every night now, so hopefully it won't get so knotty.
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sending loads of hugs from here
Good luck with brushing her daily yourself
My fern is a nightmare and will sit for 5 min then run off and then come back for more :lol2:
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Have only just sat and read this all the way through...poor Fern! Im so glad she's on the mend now, I know how it feels to have a poorly dog with a very sore bum! Hope she continues to improve
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Aww thanks ever so much, it was ever so traumatic - she looks so lovely as a result of it so it's such a shame the experience has been so ruined from this reaction. I was wondering if some of it was psychological, she may have felt traumatised being groomed - I guess we will never know but it's put us off taking her again, just in case. Her bottom is definitely ok now.
Last night she worried me as she was shaking her head and I thought Oh god what now I can't cope with anything else, but thankfully she seems to be ok today, possibly hairs irritating.
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Pleased to hear that she is back to being herself again, lovely :luv:
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Thanks ejp - the support on here has been amazing :luv:
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Awww so glad Fern is back to her normal self - I think we need to see a pic :luv:
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Okay, I will post to the photos working cockers section. Just went outside to take some and she started scooting :huh:
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Dont know if its me being naive but I had no idea that a Groomer would empty a dogs anal glands as 'routine' !
Glad she s ok - did you send the bill on ?
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Hi Michelle, some do apparently - Fern didn't need doing, which is probably why she was in so much discomfort. We haven't passed the bill on, we thought about it though!