good gawd i was only away from the comp for a minute, just shows you mention pups and away you lot go. i dont know the fall story just that we have 5 of them we need to get them sorted quickly as unfortunatly they are going into kennels, not good i know but i cant foster 5 17 week old nutty puppies, i think i would go bonkers. i really doubt she has done much training silly woman all round but what can you do, um well as usual pick up the pieces. would you like me to post some more squishy puppy piccies. tracey