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Title: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 10, 2008, 06:29:34 PM
hiya i could do with some suggestions about food.

max has had terrible problems with his poo since we got him, constantly runny, we have now been on a perscription only diet from the vets to find out if it is his stomach that cannot tollerate normal dog food, it has worked a treat and he has lovely firm poos now so im well chuffed :shades:

the problem i have now is to find a brand that is for sensitive stomachs and do the week long change over, and that is actually going to be good for him and his poo lol

can anyone recomend anything or have they got a dog in the same position and you have found a food that keeps them on the right track ?

i cant afford to keep him on the prescription diet at £3.00 a day  :embarassed: i wish i could but i have 2 dogs and a cat to feed too

any ideas would be really great then i can go out tommorow and get some  :shades:

thanks for reading xx
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: *sammy* on January 10, 2008, 06:39:32 PM
sams always been a bit runny and any little thing can upset his belly (except a box of chocs :o). he is fed on burns, he's got really firm poos on this. he was on hills before that where he would be fine for a couple of days then back to the squits ::)

hope this helps.

Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: Cazzie on January 10, 2008, 07:17:41 PM
Hi there  :blink: , its an awful thing to deal with and you just feel so sorry for them   :luv: and helpless into the bargain  :-\

I know that Burns do a pork and potato food for sensitive tums  :-\
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 10, 2008, 07:42:06 PM
i dont think i can afford burns  :'(

ive just been reading the thread on autarky, is anyone still using this at the mo and are they ok with it :blink:
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: AnnieM on January 10, 2008, 07:49:05 PM
The thing with Burns is while it may seem expensive, they don't need as much of it.  I recently ran out of burns and had to get an emergency bag of cheapy from tesco as it had not been delivered, with Burns they have 10% of their body weight, which with my dogs makes about 130g of food per day, split over two meals, the tesco one was feeding 200 - 250g so almost double the amount.  ;)
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: *sammy* on January 10, 2008, 08:05:21 PM
The thing with Burns is while it may seem expensive, they don't need as much of it.  I recently ran out of burns and had to get an emergency bag of cheapy from tesco as it had not been delivered, with Burns they have 10% of their body weight, which with my dogs makes about 130g of food per day, split over two meals, the tesco one was feeding 200 - 250g so almost double the amount.  ;)


i agree, sams just moved onto the adult and i'm feeding him 100g per day. i but 7.5 kg packs which cost about £20 but last for ages and ages. about 1 1/2 2 months. so if you work it out like that it's really goos value  :D
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 11, 2008, 08:30:19 AM
after reading abit about the burns food and seeing that a 15kg bag will last mas 150 days im going to try it :shades:

we are going for the pork & potato for sensitive stomachs ill let you know how we get on

thank you for all your help xx

lisa x
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: Cazzie on January 11, 2008, 09:20:39 AM
after reading abit about the burns food and seeing that a 15kg bag will last mas 150 days im going to try it :shades:

we are going for the pork & potato for sensitive stomachs ill let you know how we get on

thank you for all your help xx

lisa x

You could ask for samples to be sent to try if you want before you buy a big bag, speak to them and tell them your situation, if not let me know and Ill send them to you  ;)
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: phoenix on January 11, 2008, 09:36:56 AM
People will doubtless shout at me, but cheap smelly Chappie has saved me from pricey prescription foods for m y springer with gut probs. I was using JWB lamb and potato which is excellent, but stopped working for us because  it is very bland flavoured. The flavour couldn't mask the nasty powder we have to mix in even when soaked.  She wouldn't eat it except off  a spoon, and lost weight and had pain and loose poo. I checked with vet, who approved, saying before the new special foods were invented, vet school taught them chappie,chappie,chappie! You could always supplement it.  Dogs love it, and its working a treat for us.
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 11, 2008, 09:47:51 AM
after reading abit about the burns food and seeing that a 15kg bag will last mas 150 days im going to try it :shades:

we are going for the pork & potato for sensitive stomachs ill let you know how we get on

thank you for all your help xx

lisa x

You could ask for samples to be sent to try if you want before you buy a big bag, speak to them and tell them your situation, if not let me know and Ill send them to you  ;)







thanks very much  :shades: i was going to just try a small bag at first and if he dont get on with it ellie will eat it she dont have no probs whatever food she eats :005:
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 11, 2008, 09:50:51 AM
People will doubtless shout at me, but cheap smelly Chappie has saved me from pricey prescription foods for m y springer with gut probs. I was using JWB lamb and potato which is excellent, but stopped working for us because  it is very bland flavoured. The flavour couldn't mask the nasty powder we have to mix in even when soaked.  She wouldn't eat it except off  a spoon, and lost weight and had pain and loose poo. I checked with vet, who approved, saying before the new special foods were invented, vet school taught them chappie,chappie,chappie! You could always supplement it.  Dogs love it, and its working a treat for us.

this is the first thing we tried but it did not help max :'(

im not exagerating but we have tried most things on the market  :005: well except the really expensive ones :embarassed:

Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: Cazzie on January 11, 2008, 10:25:01 AM
If youve tried lots of things, this could be a contributory factor in him having a dodgy stomach, it takes a long time for a dogs stomach to become acustom to a new food and if you chop and change the runs never really clear up. Speak to Burns, tell them about your dog and when you get the food that is suitable, stick to it and feed nothing else, it may take a while (I know it took Goose months for his gut to adjust and for his toilet to firm up but sticking to his strict feeding regime has now got his gut on the straight and narrow. ;)

I fed him the other day and different flavour of burns as I had ran out of his and low and behold, he had the runs all day  :'(
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 11, 2008, 10:59:51 AM
If youve tried lots of things, this could be a contributory factor in him having a dodgy stomach, it takes a long time for a dogs stomach to become acustom to a new food and if you chop and change the runs never really clear up. Speak to Burns, tell them about your dog and when you get the food that is suitable, stick to it and feed nothing else, it may take a while (I know it took Goose months for his gut to adjust and for his toilet to firm up but sticking to his strict feeding regime has now got his gut on the straight and narrow. ;)

I fed him the other day and different flavour of burns as I had ran out of his and low and behold, he had the runs all day  :'(

each food max has had has been introduced slowly and he has been on each one about a month with the vets guidance, thats why in the end they put him on their perscription one as they was begining to think he had underlying problems, he has been on their diet a week and his poos are perfect in that little amount of time, so it is obvious he is reacting to something in the other foods :shades:

Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: Cazzie on January 11, 2008, 11:19:40 AM
This is what happened with my pup, we in the end had to give a food of which he had never had before ie the pork and potato to see if it was infact chicken or lamb or some of the others.
With Goose he doesnt have an intollerance or allergies just a sensitive stomach, like mine when I need to dash to the loo half an hour after ive eaten something spicy, im not allergic or intellorant, just sensitive so avoid the things I know go through me like a Porsche  :005: :005:

Diets for dogs are something so very complicated and if mucked about with can cause all sorts of upsets.  :D

Not saying you do anything wrong as I dont know what your regime's and foods are but some dogs are intollereant but the vast majority arnt and as I said have sensitive guts for one reason or another.  :D

Im sure you will get the wee popett sorted in no time  ;)
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 11, 2008, 02:52:55 PM
i certainly hope so its not good for either of us :-\

fingers crossed it works out :blink:
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 11, 2008, 04:36:32 PM
well im now the proud owner of a small bag of potato & pork burns and max has just had the first potion mixed in with his id meat so fingers crossed he is gonna be ok with it :shades:
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: Cazzie on January 11, 2008, 06:12:28 PM
well im now the proud owner of a small bag of potato & pork burns and max has just had the first potion mixed in with his id meat so fingers crossed he is gonna be ok with it :shades:

Thats great, keep us posted  :shades:
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 12, 2008, 05:28:34 PM
well he seems to have gone completely the other way ::) he has just had his 3rd meal with his new dinner mixed in and not had a poo at all today :005:

do you know if burns have a little measuring cup or do i need to buy some scales :shades:
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: Cazzie on January 12, 2008, 06:08:13 PM
well he seems to have gone completely the other way ::) he has just had his 3rd meal with his new dinner mixed in and not had a poo at all today :005:

do you know if burns have a little measuring cup or do i need to buy some scales :shades:

They do have a cup or you could measure it out on the scales  :D
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 12, 2008, 08:17:41 PM
where can i get the cup from  :blink:
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: Cazzie on January 12, 2008, 08:34:58 PM
where can i get the cup from  :blink:

Pm me I will post you one if you like or you should be able to get it from the place you bought the food  ;)
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 14, 2008, 06:09:00 PM
thanks for the very kind offer but ive got some scales now, i spose they will come in hangy for other things too ::)

well things are looking very good so far he is having it mixed in slowly but if he was going to have a reation i think it would have shown itself by now ph34r

fingers crossed x
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: wend on January 14, 2008, 06:27:24 PM
People will doubtless shout at me, but cheap smelly Chappie has saved me from pricey prescription foods for m y springer with gut probs. I was using JWB lamb and potato which is excellent, but stopped working for us because  it is very bland flavoured. The flavour couldn't mask the nasty powder we have to mix in even when soaked.  She wouldn't eat it except off  a spoon, and lost weight and had pain and loose poo. I checked with vet, who approved, saying before the new special foods were invented, vet school taught them chappie,chappie,chappie! You could always supplement it.  Dogs love it, and its working a treat for us.

Couldn't agree more, Harvey has always had trouble with loose poo. Vet suggested 'Chappie' and it sorted him out straight away. We have changed to Burns dried food, but after what I have just had to clear up in the kitchen and the conservatory  :o  I think I'm going to go back to 'Chappie'
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: Cazzie on January 14, 2008, 06:49:02 PM
People will doubtless shout at me, but cheap smelly Chappie has saved me from pricey prescription foods for m y springer with gut probs. I was using JWB lamb and potato which is excellent, but stopped working for us because  it is very bland flavoured. The flavour couldn't mask the nasty powder we have to mix in even when soaked.  She wouldn't eat it except off  a spoon, and lost weight and had pain and loose poo. I checked with vet, who approved, saying before the new special foods were invented, vet school taught them chappie,chappie,chappie! You could always supplement it.  Dogs love it, and its working a treat for us.

Couldn't agree more, Harvey has always had trouble with loose poo. Vet suggested 'Chappie' and it sorted him out straight away. We have changed to Burns dried food, but after what I have just had to clear up in the kitchen and the conservatory  :o  I think I'm going to go back to 'Chappie'

How long has your dog been on the Burns diet :-\  Also all  dogs do get the runs now and again just like us  :D
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: wend on January 14, 2008, 07:57:29 PM
He's been on it for about 6 months, the trouble is he keeps having bouts of runny poo. I tend to just use small chunks of cheese or chicken for training as most other things don't agree with him. I treated him to a couple of tins of 'Chappie' over christmas and we were back to normal, so much easier to clean up.
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 16, 2008, 07:41:33 PM
im a bit concerned about the tiny amount he has to have :-\ i feel mean it says 100 g a day so im giving him 50 g a meal but there is such a small amount in his bowl :huh:

is he not gonna be hungry and wonder where the rest is  :005:
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: Cazzie on January 17, 2008, 12:16:09 AM
im a bit concerned about the tiny amount he has to have :-\ i feel mean it says 100 g a day so im giving him 50 g a meal but there is such a small amount in his bowl :huh:

is he not gonna be hungry and wonder where the rest is  :005:

I feed more than the stated amount as Im very familiar with the food, it wont do him anyharm to give him a little more than recommended  ;) I know that Daisy my terrier gets about 100 grms a day and she is only arounf 6 kilos in weight, Sweepie gets around 200 grams and the labs about 300. My dogs get hours of excersise a day so dont hold weight, but if you feed more and see he puts on weight then you can reduce it  :D
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: wisleyma on January 17, 2008, 02:06:34 PM
this is all useful info - thanks v much. we have working cocker pup who is 6 months old and has been VERY runny indeed on Burns. he is such a skinny minny (possibly normal for active little working pups anyway?) that I worry he's not getting enough nutrients if it's just sliding through him (like a porsche!  :005:). we went for Burns because Wisley our 4 year old has thrived on it and the ingredients list is reassuringly short and comprehensible but perhaps little Jasper the pup is just sensitive and needs something a little bit less rich? we will try the pork and potato sensitive version and see what happens. the Hills i/d biscuits firm him up in a jiffy but i don't know whether he should be on them (with bland old chicken and rice) long term. must check with vet.... anyway, thanks again!
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: Cazzie on January 17, 2008, 10:02:46 PM
I know that Goose has a very sensitive stomach as does have the runs on the chicken and brown rice so I dont feed him that, he is on like Sweepie High energy Lamb with no problems and the new moist food  :D
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: tracyd on January 18, 2008, 01:06:39 PM
People will doubtless shout at me, but cheap smelly Chappie has saved me from pricey prescription foods for m y springer with gut probs. I was using JWB lamb and potato which is excellent, but stopped working for us because  it is very bland flavoured. The flavour couldn't mask the nasty powder we have to mix in even when soaked.  She wouldn't eat it except off  a spoon, and lost weight and had pain and loose poo. I checked with vet, who approved, saying before the new special foods were invented, vet school taught them chappie,chappie,chappie! You could always supplement it.  Dogs love it, and its working a treat for us.

Couldn't agree more, Harvey has always had trouble with loose poo. Vet suggested 'Chappie' and it sorted him out straight away. We have changed to Burns dried food, but after what I have just had to clear up in the kitchen and the conservatory  :o  I think I'm going to go back to 'Chappie'

How long has your dog been on the Burns diet :-\  Also all  dogs do get the runs now and again just like us  :D

This works for bailey too.  I give him a bit of chappie every day in his jwb dry food to encourage him to eat it and he hasn't had the runs since!  All dogs are different though.  My last dog could eat anything!

Ps; The chicken chappie isnt as smelly as the original!!  :P
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 19, 2008, 11:46:06 PM
well so far so good max doesnt seem to be too bad on this food, he is a bit loose but nothing like he has been on other foods and he has only been having it for a week, :blink: im so hoping this will work out for him, he still has to wear his muzzle while out to stop him eating everything in sight  ::) but touch wood once his diet is sorted i can keep fingers crossed that the muzzle will be gone asap :luv:
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: Cazzie on January 20, 2008, 05:24:33 PM
well so far so good max doesnt seem to be too bad on this food, he is a bit loose but nothing like he has been on other foods and he has only been having it for a week, :blink: im so hoping this will work out for him, he still has to wear his muzzle while out to stop him eating everything in sight  ::) but touch wood once his diet is sorted i can keep fingers crossed that the muzzle will be gone asap :luv:

Has this been the cause of his runs  :-\ Eating everything in sight  :-\
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: DennyK on January 20, 2008, 08:53:54 PM
Has your vet diagnosed the problem - food intolerance, allergy, colitis?  Things to bear in mind:

1.  dogs aren't supposed to eat complex carbohydrates (potatoes, rice, wheat, oats and other cereals) as they have short digestive tracts and don't produce the right chemicals in sufficient quantities - all commercial foods contain complex carbs, albeit that they have been heavily processed to make them more digestible.  Why?  Because they are cheap "fillers".  The reason Chappie works so often for dogs with digestive problems is that, if you read the label, you'll see a horrifyingly low meat content and the whole food has been processed to within an inch of its life;

2.  if your vet hasn't done lab tests on your dog's poo, you should get a fresh sample to him/her early in the day, so he/she can send it off for analysis.  Even if it's colitis, it could be triggered by bacterial or parasitic infection;

3.  if infection is ruled out, and it is colitis (as well as diarrhoea, you get a shiny mucus coating and occasional "spotting" with fresh blood in the poo), then it does come down to diet management and occasional interventions with tablets. 

If Burns doesn't work, other foods to try:

(i) NatureDiet - a wet food, with (for commercial food), good quality ingredients.  They also do a product called "naturezyme" - an enzyme-based powder you add to the food, to aid digestion;
(ii)  Forthglade - they've done a food with a very similar profile to NatureDiet;
(iii) BARF - I switched my dog, at six months old, to BARF after four months of colitis-induced problems and I wouldn't go back to a commercial food now if you paid me (even if Paddy was "cured" of colitis once and for all).

Good luck with the Burns.

Denise
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 21, 2008, 06:26:15 AM
well so far so good max doesnt seem to be too bad on this food, he is a bit loose but nothing like he has been on other foods and he has only been having it for a week, :blink: im so hoping this will work out for him, he still has to wear his muzzle while out to stop him eating everything in sight  ::) but touch wood once his diet is sorted i can keep fingers crossed that the muzzle will be gone asap :luv:

Has this been the cause of his runs  :-\ Eating everything in sight  :-\

no we done a test of him waering his muzzle for a week or 2 b4 the food was changed and he still had runny poo ::)

the vet is convinced it is a food problem and has not recomended any tests, she recomended i put him on hills puppy  ::)
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: tracyd on January 21, 2008, 07:28:36 AM
well so far so good max doesnt seem to be too bad on this food, he is a bit loose but nothing like he has been on other foods and he has only been having it for a week, :blink: im so hoping this will work out for him, he still has to wear his muzzle while out to stop him eating everything in sight  ::) but touch wood once his diet is sorted i can keep fingers crossed that the muzzle will be gone asap :luv:

Has this been the cause of his runs  :-\ Eating everything in sight  :-\

no we done a test of him waering his muzzle for a week or 2 b4 the food was changed and he still had runny poo ::)

the vet is convinced it is a food problem and has not recomended any tests, she recomended i put him on hills puppy  ::)

Thats only because they sell it
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: phoenix on January 21, 2008, 11:16:48 AM
There is a place in the world for food ingredients processed within an inch of its life.  My grown -up daughter has Crohns disease, aka inflammatory bowel disease, so unlike  a poorly pooch she can describe what happens with everything she eats.  She has to have white bread, white pasta and rice, all veg and fruit cooked and skin removed, and no seeds , nuts or hot spices to irritate the bowel lining. Anything high fibre results in agony.  She could have have chicken and fish if she wasn't a veggie.  My point is that a delicate gut needs mushy, nutritious digestible food. Whatever suits one person/dog is fine if it works and the more flavour the better.
Marti (springer) is piling weight back on at last since the change from JWB to Chappie, but that doesn't mean to say I won't try Nature Diet sometime. I won't use dry mix again because it made her drink like crazy, wee like crazy.
If Max is desperate to eat everything in sight he must be hungry. My stomach certainly tells me when to nibble! Perhaps he needs his food in three or four meals. If he wasn't obsessed with hunger he could relax more  which is always a good thing. I hope the poo improves, I know how yucky it is to scrape up, especially if you are on a busy pavement!  I took a kitchen roll out with me as well as bags.
All the bestxx
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 22, 2008, 06:33:52 AM
no i dont believe he is hungry, some dogs just scavenge he is having slightly more than he should be getting food wise, he will drag a bin to pieces straight after dinner ::) he is just that way inclined :shades:
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 22, 2008, 09:10:00 PM
i recieved my big 15 kg bag of burns today  :shades:

max has been on this for about 2 weeks now i think, and his poos r much better not as good as there were on the perscription diet, but im hoping after another couple of weeks this will get better ph34r

im using the burns as treats too as we dont no what else he can have without upsetting his belly

ive bought him a nylobone as he used to love rawhide chews, and i feel bad him not having nothing tasty to chew on :-\

once he is nearly 100 % i think ill start introducing different treats to see if it upsets him and go from there  :shades:

ive also put ellie on the burns but she is not impressed  ::)

lisa xx
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 23, 2008, 02:23:01 PM
i decided to give max more than stated on the food bag but have noticed his doing about 6 poos a day is it cos im over feeding :-\

i just feel horrible giving him the 50 g :'(
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: Cazzie on January 23, 2008, 03:06:06 PM
i decided to give max more than stated on the food bag but have noticed his doing about 6 poos a day is it cos im over feeding :-\

i just feel horrible giving him the 50 g :'(

Give him a wee bit time, how much are you feeding  :-\ All my dogs (except Otter) only have 2 poops a day  :D
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 23, 2008, 05:22:01 PM
i am giving him 75 g a meal, he used to have 2 poos a day 3 maximum

but ive just cleared the garden up and he must have done about 10 since last night :o

*to much info alert*      they are all small mushy ones too ph34r

Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: biscuit on January 23, 2008, 06:29:37 PM
We had this problem with Molly when she was little.  We feed her on Wafcol Salmon and Potato (just to add another brand of food in to confuse you !), and she's not allowed anything else.  We just use a cup from Ikea to measure out her food (having weighed it on first occasion on the scales).   She gets about 80g twice a day. 

Dunbarney - sounds like your stomach's as bad as mine.  Doc says no allergy just sensitive stomach.  Or its my age !! but then Im not as old as you (407 !  :005: :005:)
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: Cazzie on January 23, 2008, 06:48:10 PM

Dunbarney - sounds like your stomach's as bad as mine.  Doc says no allergy just sensitive stomach.  Or its my age !! but then Im not as old as you (407 !  :005: :005:)

I have to watch if I go out for a meal Its not too far from the house  :005: Oh yes im very old  :005: Pity not as wise  ;)
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 23, 2008, 08:47:29 PM
We had this problem with Molly when she was little.  We feed her on Wafcol Salmon and Potato (just to add another brand of food in to confuse you !), and she's not allowed anything else.  We just use a cup from Ikea to measure out her food (having weighed it on first occasion on the scales).   She gets about 80g twice a day. 

Dunbarney - sounds like your stomach's as bad as mine.  Doc says no allergy just sensitive stomach.  Or its my age !! but then Im not as old as you (407 !  :005: :005:)

it might be worth keeping that food in mind thanks :shades:

where do you buy it from ?

lisa xx
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: Jeeves on January 23, 2008, 09:17:12 PM
Have you tried James Wellbeloved turkey and brown rice?  Mrs Bridges had a terrible stomach and on the advice of the vet we put her on this and it did wonders almost immediately.  She's had no trouble since. :D
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: biscuit on January 23, 2008, 11:25:36 PM
Lisa

We get Wafcol from our local pet shop.  I either buy in a 15kg bag (£38 - seems to last ages) or sometimes buy it by the kg loose.  Can also get it from Pets at Home, approx £9 for 3kg.  They do other varieties:-

lamb and rice (which also suits Mol),
ocean fish and corn (kibble seems very large)

We sometimes mix the lamb and rice with the salmon and potato as the fish variety makes her breath a bit smelly   :o   Not sure whether different flavours should be mixed, but stomachs ok with it.

Molly's weights ok as well, shes  10.5kg

Lynne

Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 24, 2008, 06:32:19 AM
Have you tried James Wellbeloved turkey and brown rice?  Mrs Bridges had a terrible stomach and on the advice of the vet we put her on this and it did wonders almost immediately.  She's had no trouble since. :D

nope ive not tried that one, thanks for the info ill keep it in mind :shades:

ill keep max on burns for the time being, he has only been having it about 2 weeks so he might need a bit more time, atleast untill he has finished the 15 k bag ive just bought :005:
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: DennyK on January 24, 2008, 10:26:11 PM
There is a place in the world for food ingredients processed within an inch of its life.  My grown -up daughter has Crohns disease, aka inflammatory bowel disease, so unlike  a poorly pooch she can describe what happens with everything she eats.  She has to have white bread, white pasta and rice, all veg and fruit cooked and skin removed, and no seeds , nuts or hot spices to irritate the bowel lining. Anything high fibre results in agony.  She could have have chicken and fish if she wasn't a veggie.  My point is that a delicate gut needs mushy, nutritious digestible food. Whatever suits one person/dog is fine if it works and the more flavour the better.

Phoenix

I'd draw a distinction between a dog and a human, even where both have related problems - i.e. inflamed bowel of some kind.  The simple difference is that humans are designed to digest complex carbs, but someone with your daughter's condition is helped, as you say, with the carbs being highly processed to avoid further inflammation.  Dogs aren't designed to digest complex carbs, so the whole rationale for over-processing them is to make them what I'd best describe as "artificially accessible" to them.  If the dog's bowel is inflamed, and commercial foods, even Chappie, aren't helping, then I'd still recommend to anyone to look into BARF.

Ellie/Max (sorry - don't know your name) - the desperation for food which you describe is exactly what Paddy suffered from - and I would put it down to malnourishment due to malabsorption - the diarrhoea and bowel inflammation stopped him from absorbing all the necessary macro and micro-nutrients.  He was always desperate, manic almost, for food - beyond usual doggy/Cocker enthusiasm and begging.  It was distressing for him and for us to watch.  Once we sorted out his diet (and you may find a processed food which suits him - we didn't, but there are plenty of people I've met who've found other solutions), the "manic" element disappeared. 

I'd discuss with your vet possibly using an anti-biotic called metronidazole (or is it metronizadole????) - it's often used for bowel inflammation because one of its side-effects is that it soothes the digestive tract.  Ask for ten days' supply - five days' worth works but isn't long enough to let the bowel really calm down.  If your dog's hyper attitude to food settles down, it indicates some kind of bowel inflammation.

Do you mind me asking where you live?   Someone on here may be able to recommend another vet (I've used a homeopathic vet - always thought homeopathy was mumbo jumbo but it genuinely seems to have helped Paddy) near to you.

Keep us posted on progress - fingers crossed for improvements.

Denise
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on January 29, 2008, 01:25:37 PM
 :-\ not going to good max still has rather sloppy poos :o and to make things worse he has started eating it  >:( :005:

not sure wether to keep him on the burns or try another, surely he should have settled onit by now ?

if i change ill have a big bag of burns for sale :005:

cant feed it to ellie it makes her poo like chalk ph34r
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: Cazzie on January 29, 2008, 01:50:36 PM
Goose took months to settle on Burns  >:( I am convinced it was his previous owners fault who allowed him to eat anything and fed him on about 5 or more different types of dog food as a puppy  :-\
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: pat anderson on February 11, 2008, 07:57:34 PM
for runny poos try adding a hardboiled egg to their dinner, not everyday as you will maybe get the opposite effect... but hopefully it will work for 2/3 days as soon as they go runny again add another egg.

worked for my labrador.I tried loads of diets now we are pretty well sorted with a half measure of burns mixer with homecooked rice/veggies/ meat or fish mix , that helps -  but the egg is the main sorta outer of the runny poos.
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: Worthy on February 12, 2008, 07:22:05 AM
 :D Just in case you didn't see it on your other thread Berrimans worked well for my Boxer who had really bad colitis and was extremelt prone to gravey puddles


http://www.berrimans.net/
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: sabrino on February 12, 2008, 08:44:54 AM
Reading this with interest. I think it's possible Milo might have colitis.  :huh: We really struggle to get him settled on any food and as soon as anything else is introduced as a treat (other than really plain dog biscuits) he gets a really squitty stomach which last for days. He hasn't been right for a while now and we stuggle to keep weight on him. Last week we went down one morning and he had sprayed poo allover the kitchen (he has only ever pooed in the house twice in his life!) which was surrounded by a clear liquid and when I mopped some of it up I could see the teeniest trace of blood around one pile. I assumed that he's had compacted anal glands and they'd emptied bursting a capillary or something but come to think of it I don't remember a fishy smell. However, I'm always dubious about his stomach as (as I have mentioned in other threads  >:( ) he eats large amounts of poo and anything else he can get his chops around when I'm not looking.
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: happydog on February 12, 2008, 10:58:58 AM
Have only just found this thread and read it from beginning to end. Lisa I think it might be worth returning to your vet and asking about putting him on a ten day course of Metronidazole as Denise suggests .  ;) 
Ellie/Max (sorry - don't know your name) - the desperation for food which you describe is exactly what Paddy suffered from - and I would put it down to malnourishment due to malabsorption - the diarrhoea and bowel inflammation stopped him from absorbing all the necessary macro and micro-nutrients.  He was always desperate, manic almost, for food - beyond usual doggy/Cocker enthusiasm and begging.  It was distressing for him and for us to watch.  Once we sorted out his diet (and you may find a processed food which suits him - we didn't, but there are plenty of people I've met who've found other solutions), the "manic" element disappeared. 

I'd discuss with your vet possibly using an anti-biotic called metronidazole (or is it metronizadole????) - it's often used for bowel inflammation because one of its side-effects is that it soothes the digestive tract.  Ask for ten days' supply - five days' worth works but isn't long enough to let the bowel really calm down.  If your dog's hyper attitude to food settles down, it indicates some kind of bowel inflammation.

Do you mind me asking where you live?   Someone on here may be able to recommend another vet (I've used a homeopathic vet - always thought homeopathy was mumbo jumbo but it genuinely seems to have helped Paddy) near to you.

Keep us posted on progress - fingers crossed for improvements.

Denise
 
i decided to give max more than stated on the food bag but have noticed his doing about 6 poos a day is it cos im over feeding :-\

i just feel horrible giving him the 50 g :'(
It could be exacerbating the diarrhoea. Overfeeding can cause the runs.

 I hope you manage to get it sorted soon and you let us know how he gets on  :blink:.
Title: Re: sensitive stomach
Post by: xlisax on February 13, 2008, 01:31:41 PM
thanks for all the help and info on this  :shades:

max seems to be doing much better he is now on hills prescription food, it is expensive but its worth it to make him right :luv:

his poo has firmed up about 60 % and his only been on this a week so it is looking very promising  :-*