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Cocker Specific Discussion => Health => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 03, 2003, 02:11:31 PM
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:(Hi all
Just thought I would let you know that Indie is still poorly :( I took her the vets yesterday as she was being sick and was very lethargic, he gave her some antibiotics and some rehydrating powders and some white medicine which we are too give her 1 hour before her feed! Although everytime we do this she is sick again. I have phonned the vet again today and we go at teatime, he said dont feed or water her so I am presuming he is going to xray her, in case she has eaten something she shouldnt have. She does have quiet times at the moment but she is still having her mad half hours too! I'm so scared its something bad and was wondering if he does have to operate will she be ok? given her age she is 10 weeks tomorrow. I am so worried, and feel awful if she has got hold of something she shouldnt have we have all been watching her like a hawk! Has anyone else had a similar experience?
Emma
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Emma
It's quite normal to fast a dog who has S & D, though holding water is unusual. He may well want to do an x ray or even just palpate her tummy which if she's got water in there may mask some thing if it is something she's eaten and shouldn't have.
There's no point my saying don't worry - coz you clearly are very worried, anyone would be. It'll seem like an age until her time for the vets comes. Try not to be too agitated, Indie will pick up on it and it may upset her even more.
Good luck at the vets - do let us know how she goes on. I have fingers all crossed for you both. :-*
Pam n the boys
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Hi Emma
Just wanted to say I hope Indie will be okay - do let us know when you get back what the vet diagnoses, fingers crossed it wont be anything too serious ;)
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I am messaging you privatly to suggets a product which we used on Puppys to rehydrate them.
But You have to promice to ask your vet if they will allow you to use it!
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Clare, there's no reason why you can't give the info publicly on the forum - I'm sure others might find it useful (assuming you're talking about something like Life Aid and not some illegal substance of course ;D)
Emma, hope Indie feels better soon. We've just had our Katie ill with a sickness bug of some kind & it's taken 5 days to get her more or less right. I would suggest (assuming the vet finds no foreign body etc) that you give her a teaspoon of rehydration solution frequently, perhaps every half hour or so. Often this will stay down when a big gulp of liquid won't. Then when it comes to food tomorrow, very small meals of boiled chicken & rice or scrambled egg made without milk. Keeping my fingers crossed for you & Indie :)
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Emma - Sorry that Indie is not well and hope she will soon be better.
Clare - I am intrigued to know about the rehydration stuff for puppies too!! ???
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Hi all!
Just come back from the vets, they are still not sure whats wrong with Indie. :( She has had another injection into her muscle which she did not appreciate very much! Its to try and settle her stomach down. The vets is not so sure its a foreign body as he feels she would be more lethargic than what she is,plus her temp is down now and there is no tenderness around her stomach! However he has given me more hydration powders LECTADE which Indie loves and she has managed to keep all her fluids down, just food she can't keep down. I have to feed her a minute amount of boiled rice every hour, and if she doesnt manage to keep that down, we have to starve her from midnight, she is booked in in the morning for an x-ray and burium meal, and if no foreign bodies show up on that, they are opening her up :'( So I have everything crossed in hoping that its just a bug.
So there you go, a lot of waffle but I hope you got the idea.
Emma
PS Whilst I have been typing this Indie is having a mad half hour chasing my feet and biting them!! No wonder she is ill ;)
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If she can still run around then she is still on the right side of being poorly:D give her a hug from me and I look forward to tomorrows update.
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she is booked in in the morning for an x-ray and burium meal, and if no foreign bodies show up on that, they are opening her up
I too hope it's a bug Emma and will be thinking of poor little Indie tomorrow and waiting for some news. Lectade is excellent stuff - I have used it myself with good results. ;)
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As Pammy says Emma, if she is running around playing hopefully that is a more promising sign ;) Hope she manages to keep her food down to put your mind at ease. Keep us updated ;)
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Clare, there's no reason why you can't give the info publicly on the forum - I'm sure others might find it useful (assuming you're talking about something like Life Aid and not some illegal substance of course ;D)
Yes it is Life aid - not illegal at all ;) I wouldn't want to try it myself - have you seen the colour????? - went private because i gave my phone number incase Mrs BoJ had any questions - i don't usually come on the forum at night! and didn't fancy handing my number out to the world! (members of COL can have it)
So here is the info............Life Aid is used for the treatment of Pig Scour normally but you can use it for puppys to keep them hydrated if you are having problems keeping food in them. (NB Ask your vet first!!!!)
To tell if your puppy is dehydraded pinch the skin gently - it should spring back - if it doesn't then they need more liquid.
We have used life aid on a pup which was just a day old - and i have been told that a puppy can be sustained on the formular for as lond as a week. Although they wont put on any weight.
The amasing thing is that alot of vets have not heard of it being used on puppys so don't suggest it! We have a bottle in stock when we have a litter! (a shop 100 yards from my house gives me a free bottle and we can give it back if we don't need it!).
I won't take credit for discovering this product - i was told about it by an amasing lady called Heather Ridley who kindly talked me through trying to save a puppy at 11pm one night!!! Bless her! (do you know her, Jane? - you must do :))
I've got some in stock at the mo so if anyone local needs some (any time night or day) buzz me. Got to do our best for the babies!
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:)Aww Thank you so much for the support and kind wishes through this worrying time! Clare I have sent you a message!
Well Indie has had 4 feeds of boiled rice now (1 tablespoon per feed) and fingers, legs, arms crossed she has kept it down :) I hope I am not tempting fate posting this ::)
So lets hope she carries on the same till morning!!
Thanx again
Emma
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Brings back memeories of when dallas was ill :'( Give Indie a big :-* from me and hope all goes well at the vets tomorrow.
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I won't take credit for discovering this product - i was told about it by an amasing lady called Heather Ridley who kindly talked me through trying to save a puppy at 11pm one night!!! Bless her! (do you know her, Jane? - you must do :))
Clare -no I don't know Heather Ridley personally but have heard of her excellent reputation for saving new born pups having problems. Actually Michele told me about Life Aid some time ago & it will be part of my whelping kit next time we have a litter :)
Emma - so glad Indie is keeping some food down, that is excellent news :)
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:DGood news Emma...pleased to hear it. Lets hope it continues ;)
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Sorry a bit late cathcing this thread....hears hoping Indie is feeling better no one better to give you advice than Jane ;)
Anyway will watch tomorrow to see if she's OK...a big kiss from me :-*
Gilly
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Hope little Indie is feeling better. :-*
Traceyx
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sorry jsut caught up with this, hope Indie is feeling better love and kisses to her, brave little girl.. :-*
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I won't take credit for discovering this product - i was told about it by an amasing lady called Heather Ridley who kindly talked me through trying to save a puppy at 11pm one night!!!
Clare thanks for that - I have some Life Aid myself which I bought at a the United Spaniel Association seminar last year where Heather gave a really good talk about her work saving puppies!! I have used it as well with good results and as you say the colour is rather off putting!
Linda :)
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Heather really knows her stuff and she is completely self taught. She has her own recipy for whelping milk which i am going to get a copy of before our next litter. It is supposed to be more easy to swallow and digest for the puppy.
The best life aid is the Liquid form. The shop near me sells it - if you cant get some near you i can send you a bottle (or some of my stock - it goes a very long way! and usually goes out of date before we can use most of it!).
As for the boiled rice - make sure you use freshly boiled rice each day - old rice can cause food poisoning.
Boiled eggs are also good but try a slice at a time to begin with. White boiled fish is also good for settling poorly tummies.
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Oops - sorry Clare, I seem to have modified your post instead of replying to it. Feel free to post the second half of your message again & I'll try not to delete it this time ;D
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Oops - sorry Clare, I seem to have modified your post instead of replying to it. Feel free to post the second half of your message again & I'll try not to delete it this time ;D
All done now Jane, but i took your bit of the message off and mucked up saving it :-! And in answer to your message, you are welcome to the life aid when you need it! ;D
I will have to look up that recipy you suggested - its always usefull to have some back up! And i'm not convinced that Whelpi is much crack!
But you can garuntee that if you have puppies they will always start to play you up late at night when the shops are closed - and it always seems 10 times worse at night! I don't mind anyone calling me 24 - 7 if i can help them save a puppy, even if it just borrowing bottles and teats or sterilising tablets. and if i have got a supply of life aid in then they are welcome to it any time (and i mean ANYTIME)!!!
I have to thank both Yvonne and Lesley for their help when i have had puppy crisis moments! They are total stars! Can i add you, Jane, to my emergency phone list ;D????
Jane - i saw Ken a couple of weeks ago! Mentioned i had met you on line - were your ears burning?????
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I'll post Betty's milk recipe as a new thread on the Breeding Forum & also her recipe for home-made electrolyte solution (don't want to go off topic too much here). By the way is Life Aid bright yellow? If so, it's probably v similar to Liquid Lectade which is marketed for farm animals but also seems to be recommended for puppies - I've seen this stuff on the Vetmed website recently.
Jane
PS No ears burning here as far as I can remember ;D
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Just seen this.
I hope everything is ok with Indie. Keep us posted on progress. Phoebe sends a big :-*
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By the way is Life Aid bright yellow? -
Yes it is Jane! ;)
Linda
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By the way is Life Aid bright yellow? -
Yes it is Jane! ;)
Linda
The powdered one goes an orange colour when mixed up :-X- it is probably similar to Liquid Lectade.
I'm gonna copy off those recipies for my notes, Thanks Jane ;)
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How is Indie today Emma?
Hope she is on the mend :)
Tracey.
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;DHi all
Good news its been nearly 24 hours since Indie was last sick!!!!! I phoned the vet this morning as arranged and they said unless she starts being sick again there is no need for the x-rays etc :D So I just hope she will be ok now ::) I am still feeding her small amounts every hour at the moment. I will try and reintroduce normal food tomorrow and I am putting her on puppy Nutro, the vet thinks now that the food a local breeder advised me to put her on is the cause of Indies troubles. As she only swapped to this on Tuesday, its just a local mill produced puppy food. So I won't be taking their advise again :- It was either that or a little bug she has picked up. Trouble is now I am not keen to take her out in my arms again, in case she picks something else up, her 2nd vac is not due for another 2 weeks, but am concerned about the lack of socilalisation. Not sure what to do really just don't want to risk her health, it was such a worrying time with sleepless nights and I don't want her to go through that again!
Thank you all so much for your kind wishes, advise and support, much appreciated!!!
Emma
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The vaccinations are for certain doggy deseases and wont stop her picking up bugs. But her immune system is still developing and getting out and about is what builds it up!
(don't put her on the floor though untill your vet says it's ok and keep her away from obvious infections!)
I was told to think of a puppy like a baby - you would not put a baby in direct risk of infection but it wouldn't stop you from taking them out! ;) . Like babies puppy's tend to be more sicky! My carpet will vouch for that!
Changing her food in one day may have upset her tummy. She may well be ok on this food when she is a little older- so don't be too upset with the person who advised you :)
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;DHi all
Good news its been nearly 24 hours since Indie was last sick!!!!!
Emma I have been wondering all day how you are getting on and so pleased that Indie is recovering. It must have such a worry for you. As regards socialisation, when she is fully better - could you have a welcome Indie party at your home and invite friends with children round and other well behaved dogs? Nutro is excellent puppy food - I used it for my last litter and they were the best ever puppies!
Linda :)
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Hi Clare
Maybe I should invest in a pram (lol) ;) I see what you mean about the injections though! I will wait a few more days until I have built Indie back up again, she has lost quite a bit of weight :( I did change her food gradually though I mixed it with her old food, she wasnt even on the new food by itself when she took ill, so maybe the food is not to blame, I suppose its hard to tell, but I have threw it away now just in case! The good thing is now though is that she is on the mend :D
Emma
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You joke about the pram - but i bet my Fern would like one - she is a modern dog! Prefers the car to walking! And if we have not got the car well mum can carry me!!!! If you see a complete loon carrying a cocker round like a baby - it is me!!!!!! ;D :-[
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I'm so pleased she's on the mend Emma...such a worry when they are so small and helpless :-X
Anyway big kisses to Indie....keep us posted on her progress :D
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I'm glad Indie's getting better Emma - nothing worse than a poorly pup (except perhaps a poorly man?? ;) )
But at least she seems to be on the mend now, Millie sends her a big :-* , cos she knows what it's like to be poorly sick :(
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Emma,
I'm so glad Indie is on the mend. I'm sure she'll have picked up again over the next few days.
Best wishes
Anita & Phoebe
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Hi all ;D
Another update on Indie. She is still managing to keep her food down, I started to introduce NUTRO yesterday evening very slowly, just a few mixed in with her rice, will continue the slow introduction today. I am a bit worried Indie will get bunged up with all this rice though :- She is very lively again and back into mischief ;) Which I have to admit is lovely to see ;D. Although I don't think my Robbie Williams callendar would agree,(hmm June was a lovely picture too) don't worry she hasnt eaten it just a bit of shredding!!
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Good to hear Indie seems to be recovering well, Emma. You must have been really worried about her, you become so attached to them so quickly. ;) Lets hope that's the end of thate problem.
Will bite my tongue re the RW calendar destruction. ;D
(Indie = 8) )
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>:(Don't start me on that one again!!! ;)
When do you get your puppy is it today?
I bet you can't wait and Jimmy of course.
Emma
PS: Why is it that its only men that don't like Robbie hmmm do I detect a little green eyed monster well lets face it hes handsome, rich and talented!! ;) ;D :P
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;D Heh heh heh........RW........talented ! ;D
A week to wait yet Emma.....am trying hard to be patient, but the excitement is building daily. :)
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So glad to hear that Indie is feeling better. :D
OMG Is it really that soon, Colin? It just seems like a few days since you sprung that surprise on us. ;D
Bet you can't wait, you lucky thing.
I WANT ANOTHER COCKER! ;D ;D
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PS: Why is it that its only men that don't like Robbie hmmm do I detect a little green eyed monster well lets face it hes handsome, rich and talented!! ;) ;D :P
I know robbie's cousin, Phil!!!!!!!!!!!
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;DNO WAY!!! Honestly???
Emma
Signed photo would be wuffley ;) Or a marriage proposal (LOL)
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Yes honestly - He even showed us the baby photos!!!!!!! How cute!
You wouldn't want to marry him though! There is a family resemblance but lets just say bad habbits run in the family!!!!!!