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Cocker Specific Discussion => Health => Topic started by: Pammy on October 20, 2004, 08:13:59 PM
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I have also heard that some vets 'disbelieve' that breeders worm their pups and give pups another worming dose when they go for their jabs, just in case! Fortunately, my vet didn't question the fact that he had been wormed - but I think that other litter mates were re-wormed :rolleyes: This is probably a response to puppy farmers, I imagine :(
Rachel - worming of puppies is a lengthy process that starts from very early days and goes through to six months old - so vets are not questioning whether a puppy's been done - but continuing the treatment as apt. I'd be more concerned if a vet didn't worm a puppy regularly until 6 months old.
Similarly - it's part of a vets duties to check your dog has been regularly wormed too all though its life.
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Seem to have gone 'off thread' a little - Molos breeder wormed him at 2, 5 and 8 weeks with Panacur, and advised that he would not need to be dosed again until he was 6 months old.
Some of his litter mates were apparently wormed 'again' when they went for their vaccinations - but my vet said if hes been done, make sure he comes back in 6 months :blink:
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Off topic again.....here we go....
My pups were a bit poorly in the beginning so they were wormed with panacur at 3, 6 and 9 weeks. I told my puppy owners to worm again at 12 weeks, 4, 5, 6, 9 and 12 months. One of my owners took my worming schedule with her to her vets when the puppy had the second injection, and he said I was spot on with the worming schedule.
Another reason for missing the 8 week deadline was because i didn't want the worming program to clash with the injections as some puppies can become ill so I am told.
The nicest thing my puppy owner told me, is that his parents had bred and shown blue roan cocker spaniels for years and years, so I guess he knew what he was talking about more than others. Wish I had asked who he was then we could have worked out who his parents were :D
I shall be worming my own puppies to the same schedule then once they reach a year old i might do them three monthly or six monthly.
Saying that a puppy does not need to be wormed after 8 weeks is unprofessional on the part of the vet. All puppies need worming on a regular basis while they are young, and to insinuate that puppies should never need worming is criminal to say the least.
Just my opinion!
Sandie xx
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Saying that a puppy does not need to be wormed after 8 weeks is unprofessional on the part of the vet. All puppies need worming on a regular basis while they are young, and to insinuate that puppies should never need worming is criminal to say the least.
Oh, dear...do I have to look for a new vet ? :( I'm really happy with mine, and their advice about this was the same as Molo's breeder.
What are the risks to the pup of not worming frequently enough? I am fairly sure he hasn't got worms - where might he pick them up?
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I've split - the KC Reg'n thread to run this worming subject on - carry on chaps :D
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Rachel - It might have something to do whith the product they use - but it does rather sound a little infrequent to me.
What does your vet use?
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I'm not sure about Panacur (don't use it) but it's unusual for a vet not to recommend worming after 8 weeks. We use Drontal & our pups are wormed at 3, 5, 7 & 9 weeks then every month after that until 6 months old. I'd have to check the Panacur protocols - as Pam says, different worming preparations have different recommendations.
Jane
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Another reason for missing the 8 week deadline was because i didn't want the worming program to clash with the injections as some puppies can become ill so I am told.
YOu might be on to something there Sandie. Disney had his first vacc on Monday and I wormed him yesterday - it obviously wasn't a long enough gap between them as he's not a well puppy at all today, and thats the only thing I can think of that could have caused it :unsure: Think I'll miss out the 10 week worming dose and do it at 11 weeks instead, just to be on the safe side ;)
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Now Im all confused (doesnt take much) because Alfie was last wormed at 4 months and the vet says no need to do it again till 6 months and every three months after that. I did ask about him needing worming at 5 months(following breeers advice) but was told no - 6 months. Alfie is on Drontal
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I've just looked at the manufacurers website (of Panacur), and their recommended dosage for worming paste are at two and five weeks, again when they leave the breeder, and may need to be at 8 and 12 weeks as well. It then says that frequency of dosage can be reduced unless the pup is in kennels - what does 'reduced' mean? To what?
I'll give Molo's breeder a ring tomorrow, and see what she says.
I have read about your poor puppies being poorly after their worming :( and don't really want to put him through that unless it is necessary.
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Hi,
I think 'reduced' means you don't need to do it so often. i.e. every three months :D
My worming schedule might be a little over the top after three months, so I'd go with what your vet says. Different vets have different opinions. I just read so many dog care books which said worm regularly within the first six months of a puppies life.
I believe all puppies are born with worms as they lay dormant in a bitch and reawaken with a vengence when the mother is in whelp. Then its a cycle of reinfection.... mother has worms....passes through the milk..... puppies drink the milk and become infected. The mum cleans up after the pups (yuk!) eats the worms and you are back at the beginning of the cycle again. I am sure someone with more knowledge will correct me if I am wrong.
To help alleviate the worm problem, Aimee as wormed after her season had started and before she was mated. When the puppies were fully weaned off her, I wormed her again.
I don't think you can overdose on any form of worming formula, but in very young puppies, you can give them an upset tummy. All my lot had an upset tummy after they were wormed the first time and it continued for three weeks. My vet was not too worried when i said the puppies are thriving and gaining weight even though their poos where quite loose. When it got to six weeks I wormed then again and after that their little poos were normal and have been normal ever since.
I hope I have covered everyones queries, I certainly didn't mean to worry anyone with my worming schedule. Always believe in doing things more often than not when worming comes mind. My older dogs get done religiously every three months
using drontal. Unfortunately panacur was the only puppy formula available at my vets at the time.
Now where did i put those tablets..........
Sandie xx
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Pups can also get reinfected quite easily once they get into the big wide world as well. If you think that there are some people out there that don't worm their dogs at all or hardly ever and so when your pup is out and about who knows what they're sniffing.
Mine eat fox poo and just about every disgusting stuff around so I also religously worm my two dogs.
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My 2 were wormed every 2 weeks until 12 weeks with Drontal and then once a month with Program (worming & flea treatment) for ever more. It might be the more expensive way to do things, but it hasn't ever let me down. Both Molly and Brodie had a bit of an upset tum but that was only when very very young ie. Brodie last week. It only lasted for a day and I don't think it's a big price to pay. From 4 months on, Molly has been fine with it - no more upsets.
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Jovi was wormed every 2 weeks until he was 12 weeks (timed around the injections) and then again at 6 months. They used drontal up to the 12 weeks and then when he went for his 6 months check they gave him something new Milbemax I think, but don't have his health file to hand.
I think my vet advises worming every 2 months, which means he's due again now.. So I'll be off to the vets later :D
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Saying that a puppy does not need to be wormed after 8 weeks is unprofessional on the part of the vet. All puppies need worming on a regular basis while they are young, and to insinuate that puppies should never need worming is criminal to say the least.
My sentiments exactly Sandie!
If you look at the life cycle of the worms that commonly infect dogs you will see that regular worming is essential. Each worming treatment should (hopefully) deal with any worm burden at the time of worming but doesn’t act as a preventative. There is nothing to stop a puppy picking up a worm egg or being bitten by a stray flea (for tapeworm) the day after worming was carried out. The idea of worming regularly is to ensure that if there are any worms present in the dog they don’t stay there long enough to build up in numbers and thereby cause harm to the dog. Pups are wormed more frequently than adults because they are more likely to ingest them during the course of their explorations and they are more susceptible (being smaller) to the effects of a worm burden.
Chris
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I use Panacur 10% worming liquid. The directions for routine worming for this particular product are as follows:
Puppies under 6 months should be routinely wormed daily over 3 consecutive days at 2, 5, 8 and 12 weeks of age . Frequency is then reduced unless the pup is housed in kennels.
At 6 months of age and over - dogs should be wormed 2 - 4 times a year (a single dose). More frequent treatments of 6 - 8 weeks are recommended for dogs in kennels.
edited: to correct spelling
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with Program (worming & flea treatment) for ever more
Hi Tracey J
So far as I'm aware Program is for the control of fleas only and is not a wormer. Progam works by sterilising the fleas so that the eggs they produce (which subsequently hatch) are incapable of reproduction. This leads the absence of fleas in the household because they die out due to not being able to reproduce. For every one flea you find on a dog you can just about guarantee that there are another hundred lurking in the carpets and bedding frequented by the dog. Fleas don’t live on dogs they visit them to feed!
As Program does not kill fleas and if a new flea is encountered then a suitable flea treatment (to kill the flea) should be used or you can wait for the flea to continue it’s natural life cycle of eating to breed and then producing sterile baby fleas!
There is a new (well relatively new) product now called Stronghold, which does kill fleas, mange, lice, ear mites and roundworms. This is a monthly spot on treatment.
Chris
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Sorry, should have been clearer, it's Program Plus I use, which is a combined wormer/flea treatment. There was a sticker over the word 'plus' :rolleyes: :D .
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OK, so I've got the message that Molo should be wormed more often than he has been. In which case, should I buy the wormer from a veterinary pharmacy and dose him myself, or go back to my vet and insist, or change vets? :unsure:
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OK, so I've got the message that Molo should be wormed more often than he has been. In which case, should I buy the wormer from a veterinary pharmacy and dose him myself, or go back to my vet and insist, or change vets? :unsure:
I think if I was you Rachel - I'd go and talk to my vet. Explain what you've heard here and see what s/he says. It may be that they didn't explain themself very well and that you have a misunderstanding.
Your relationship with your vet is an important one and unless you have any other concerns and also have somewhere else to go to - then it's worth trying to keep the relationship going.
You can buy Drontal plus online and I have done in the past, but I got my last lot from my vet at an excellent price. I paid £54 for both boys to be boostered and to have a full years supply of Drontal each - so not bad. ;)
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Hi Tracey J
Sorry, should have been clearer, it's Program Plus I use, which is a combined wormer/flea treatment. There was a sticker over the word 'plus'
Ah, now I can see where the worming comes into the equation! Thanks for the clarification :o
Have you found the product good? The worming element of the Program Plus is fairly new (I think?)
Chrissy
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Chrissy Posted on Oct 21 2004, 08:51 PM
Have you found the product good? The worming element of the Program Plus is fairly new (I think?)
Hi Chrissy
I have used if from day one with Molly (she's 16 months now) and have never been bothered with fleas or worms. How much of that is due to not coming into contact with infected areas, and how much is due to the pills I'm not sure :rolleyes: , but it's the one my vet recommends and I now use it for Brodie too. I'll keep going with it unless anything happens to make me lose faith in it I think :D . I fully admit to knowing very little about the medication, but it's been great so far (fingers crossed :D ).
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Thanks for the info. Tracey J, it's much appreciated :)