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Healthy puppy farm puppies??????

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Jan/Billy:
we bought our puppy from a large retail outlet. :oops:  At the time we had absolutley no idea that this was wrong and had never heard of puppy farming. As far as i was aware they were selling puppies that they had bought from other people who didnt want the hassle of selling them themselves(strangers visiting house etc). Naive I know but at £450 we thought  we were paying for their "professionalism and expertise in puppies". Its only now that i realise he probably came from a puppy farm  :(  We have his KC  but having done some reasearch this does not mean he came from a good caring breeder. When we bought him he was docked, vaccinated, wormed & microchipped and was in greath health. He is now 5 months old and is still very very healthy. My problem is that i am constantly worried he will become ill in the future because of where he might of come from. Our receipt from the shopsays if he becomes ill within 6 months we can take him back and swap for another!!! :(    I would not swap him for the world healthy or otherwise but the fact they they have written this suggests to me that some or many do become ill. He is fine now, the Vet has checked him over and said he is in great health. His coat is so shiny, he has a very healthy appetite and loves life. Thankfully we have him insured so if he does become ill i know we will be able to give him the best possible chance of recovery. Does anyone know of any puppies that have lived normal hppy life that may have come from a similar place?                    

paul the decorator:
Hi,

If our experiance at the moment is anything to go by you should be alright.
BUT I have learn't an awful lot since buying our little Smudge ( now 13 months) If I was buying now I certainly would buy from a registered breeder and by registered I would go for a Kennel Club one.
We bought our Smudge from from kennels in Burnley , Lancashire.
The kennels when we went were of an excellent standard and they sold a number of different breeds. We had originally gone to get a Springer Spaniel for my daughters family who were with us.
Fortunately I fell for Smudge as well.
The kennel owners were very good , informative and we had the same criteria down to the 6 month return.
The only thing in hindsight was that it was only later that we realised that smudge or Rays Flavour has he had been christianed at the breeder had come with a family tree but he was registered with the Dog Lovers Registration Club based in Manchester.
The breeders are someone called Berriman from Carmarthenshire. I have not been able to find out anything about them which is a pity.
I don't know if Smudge was from a breeder who properly checked for the common inherited diseases that can inflict cockers so we'll have to take a flier on that.
Smudge looks fit and healthy , also confirmed by the vet.
Love him to bits and if he's anything like Smudgie he will give it all back 10 times over.
above all don't worry,
my wife just asked me tonight if I could envisage going back to a life without Smudge, it took me aback for a minute as I really couldn,t
 
enjoy..


Smudge , Paul and Gill                    

Jan/Billy:
Thanks for that, :)  hopefully he will always be fit and healthy. We found out the dog lovers registration is owned by the same owner of the kennels where we bought Billy from in Salford  Manchester!!! The KC pups there and DLUK pups are same price. Another thing is that often they will say the puppy is"registered". The buyer thinks this means KC but it often means DLUK. We have his KC, although i have been told that he may not be the actual puppy that the breeder has registered with the KC so his family history may be nonsense.
Yeah i couldnt imagine not having billy either. He is hard work at times but we love him to bits. He is so beautiful especially in themorning. When we get up he just gets so excited when he sees us. He runs round and round the room waggling him bum. He is barmey!!! I suppose all we can do is give him love, exercise and good food and hopefully he will be ok. I couldnt bear it if anything happened. :cry:                    

Jane S:
Not every puppy that is bred by a puppy farmer and sold through a 3rd party dealer outlet will turn out unhealthy but obviously the risks are higher as pups bred by these sort of breeders will definitely not have come from health-screened parents (eye testing for example costs money and the scheme is only open to KC reg dogs), nor will the pups have been properly socialised in the way that a reputable hobby breeder would do. Another big disadvantage is that buying from a dealer, you don't meet the Mum of the litter or any of the breeder's other dogs, so you have no idea of their temperament or background or even their true pedigree (DLRC pedigrees in particular are often not accurate). Paul, the breeder of your Smudge used to be a prolific breeder using the KC registration scheme but has obviously turned now to the DLRC because they are much cheaper and their records are not open to public scrutiny like KC records are.

I'm really glad that you both seem to have healthy, happy puppies despite their unfortunate origins but remember you have been lucky - many owners are not so fortunate and end up with pups that have poor temperaments and/or serious health problems :(                    

Jan/Billy:
Billy's KC paperwork says his breeder is from Carmarthenshire too. Are KC really interested in breeders breaking the rules? I rang KC with a general query regarding billy's KC registration. The KC knew i had purchased Billy from a retail outlet and did not once ask me for his registration details to enable them to investigate the breeder.  They turned a blind eye. Makes you wonder how any KC registered breeders out there are actually puppy farmers and how much money the KC would loose if they did not allow these puppy farmers to register future litters. Do they really scrutinise breeders?

But yes,we are very lucky to have a healthy cocker. I cannot imagine what it must be like to lose an animal like that.

His health screening sayd KC/BVA schemes. DNA tests

Anyone know what this means?                    

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