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Title: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Leo0106 on August 06, 2018, 11:36:39 PM
So the hunger pukes is solved. No more pukes and a few biscuits before bed.

But what has my tender loving care produced? A barking hound...

Im usually the proud owner of a dog who has only twice ever woken me up in the night. And that was about a year ago.
Until he started puking and i made the decision to go and see him in the nighttime becuase i thought he was poorly.

I then made a reallly stupid decision to let him sleep in my bed on saturday for the first time ever after OH left unexpectadly with the military...
Last night he went straight back in the kitchen and i didnt hear a wink!! Halleluyah. What a flexible dog i have.

Tonight im 90 minutes into him barking at every single little noise outside, to the point he is making his throat sore.

What do i do?! Do i go and see him or is that reinforcing the behaviour? Do i leave him?! HELP!! Ive never had a dog disrupted night in my life!!!
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Gazrob on August 07, 2018, 08:06:52 AM
Just leave him. Don't back down. Because you have been a bit soft with him he's thinks if I keep doing this you will eventually give in to his demands. Of course I've also made this mistake once or twice its normal. Stick with your routine or you will have trouble.
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: elaine.e on August 07, 2018, 09:18:40 AM
Last night might have been a one off. I suppose you'll only find that out tonight, but at this stage I wouldn't worry too much after one restless night.

If it persists could you leave a radio on quietly overnight? It might be enough to lessen what he can hear from outside and distract him from it. Or could he sleep in a room where he can hear less from outside?

My two have the occasional night upstairs with me and it's not made them more demanding. They're comfortably back in their normal routine of sleeping downstairs the following night, so I wouldn't necessarily link last night to allowing him upstairs a couple of nights ago.
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: bmthmark on August 07, 2018, 01:17:41 PM
Stay strong and don't give in. I'm sure he was just trying his luck  :005:

He will soon get the message if you don't go, if you do go he knows to bark to get your attention. If you are worried and want to check on him, wait for him to stop for a little bit and go and see him. Don't see him whilst in full bark mode.

These cockers are far too clever. My Jett has now decided at night time he doesn't want to go to bed anymore, so he makes himself heavy and anchors to the ground  :lol:
5 minutes after getting him in his crate he is snoring away  :005:
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: bizzylizzy on August 07, 2018, 01:36:50 PM
Agree with the others! Humphrey has also had the very occasional night with me and on holiday had to sleep in our room for a fortnight. I think the main thing is to go back to the old routine (except for the new nighttime biscuit treat, ofcourse ;)) and just act like nothing‘s happened. They‘re very quick to take advantage of any indecisiveness or reticence on our part, but that‘s why we just love ‚em!!  :luv: Good Luck!  ;)
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Leo0106 on August 07, 2018, 02:00:46 PM
Thanks all. I stood strong last night... and got a grand total of 3 hours uninterrupted sleep  :lol2:
I did go down to him at 2 points as i was losing the will to live but i made sure i didnt make any eye contact or reallt speak to him. I just opened the door pointed to his bed and left the room....
We have a puppycam and i swear he knows i watch it as he was staring straight down the camera barking all night.

Hes not poorly etc. Tonight im going to go full on ignorant and just let him bark it out.
.... and have wine at the ready
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: bizzylizzy on August 07, 2018, 06:29:20 PM
Thanks all. I stood strong last night... and got a grand total of 3 hours uninterrupted sleep  :lol2:
I did go down to him at 2 points as i was losing the will to live but i made sure i didnt make any eye contact or reallt speak to him. I just opened the door pointed to his bed and left the room....
We have a puppycam and i swear he knows i watch it as he was staring straight down the camera barking all night.

Hes not poorly etc. Tonight im going to go full on ignorant and just let him bark it out.
.... and have wine at the ready

 :005: - just have visions of him sticking his tongue out at the camera!  :005: :005:
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Jaysmumagain on August 07, 2018, 06:46:39 PM
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 :005: - just have visions of him sticking his tongue out at the camera!  :005: :005:
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Well at least he's not drinking the toilet water.......me think's he's another Ollie acts up for Mum and his the most well behaved cocker you have ever seen for his master :005:
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Leo0106 on August 07, 2018, 07:19:11 PM
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 :005: - just have visions of him sticking his tongue out at the camera!  :005: :005:

Well at least he's not drinking the toilet water.......me think's he's another Ollie acts up for Mum and his the most well behaved cocker you have ever seen for his master :005:
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Ahh see there i disagree with you.. god forbid i left leo with the master of the house for 3 months like the master leaves us... leo would end up in he local pound  :005:  hes so much better for me as a rule..... just is clearly putting his foot down at the minute
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Leo0106 on August 09, 2018, 08:11:01 PM
awake and barking every night atleast 3 times. However is now settling himself after around 20 minutes.. and is no longer staring at the camera.. actually seems to be barking at something in the garden every time (puppy cam is the best thing i ever bought) ....
I want a full night sleep  :'(
Has also reverted back to scratching at the front door and howling every time he hears a car outside (did this last time OH went away too)
I sometimes wish they wernt so attuned to regular routine/noises. Its heartbreaking!
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: bizzylizzy on August 09, 2018, 08:36:41 PM
Our guest labrador started barking at the neighbours cat who walks across our patio at night and peers in (and, I suspect, also sticks his tongue out! :lol2:).
Maybe Leo feels more of a need to protect you when hubby‘s away?  :luv:
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Leo0106 on August 09, 2018, 08:57:53 PM
Mmmm maybe.. hes certainly acting like a guarddog at home. And last time OH left he was quite protective of me on walks too..
Wouldnt mind if the protetion wasnt so loud  :005:
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Jaysmumagain on August 09, 2018, 09:30:07 PM
I am 100% sure it's linked to your OH not being around again.
Ollie has his weird little ways during the week, his master is away two nights most weeks, and he knows he is going, the garment bag on the bed the night before and he blonks himself in the hall watching everymove then when bag moves Ollie moves to follow said bag to the car.

Next morning it's back in the hall routine and following Dad to car - till finally it's the little dance for the hug and good bye biscuit time....then he is 100% in charge of me and wow is he my security guard

It's on the bed and curl up so I can't make the bed routine. Then it's the follow Mum everywhere routine and I mean everywhere. :shades: He continues to time manage my whole days, meals walks MIL for coffee etc.

Tomorrow will be manic every car noise he will bark at till finally he hears the car door bang, he is fast asleep on the bed as I type, but 45mins ago he heard those words he truly understands  ;) Ollie sausage tomorrow theres a good boy !!

Yep he brings him a sausage everytime he comes home - I wonder if these hotel see him wrapping a sausage up at breakfast.

Then peace prevails In Ollietown till next week and it starts again.
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Leo0106 on August 09, 2018, 09:51:43 PM
Im pretty sure its linked. The difficulty we had this time was that we only had a days notice before OH left. So a manic day of leaving leo to his own devices whilst we manicly packed 3 months worth of supplies was met with a sulking dog who wouldnt even approach his dad when he left the house.

Hes been attached to my hip everytime ive been home ever since. The dog walker also reports hes gone back into protective mode over her when she has taken him out this week. Which is what happened last time too.

I made the mistake of saying 'lets go home to daddy' tonight which is what i usually say to pull him away from playing with his doggy girlfriend to get him home. So he went home and searched for dad for 15 minutes.

Im sure it will get better. Hes just taken himself off to bed so heres hoping to a quiet night!
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Jaysmumagain on August 10, 2018, 10:40:44 AM
It never ceases to amaze me at how much there brain retains...they are one clever breed.

Ollie is 11 in novemeber and we have stayed in one particular hotel half a dozen times since we had him, after a two year break we went again last year, the room has a slim lounge with sliding doors that lead to bedroom and another to bathroom.  He belts through the rooms and stands in the bathroom looking down and up at the spot I always put his dish doing a dance till we gave him a drink......unbelievable.

Am sure Leo will settle soon...........hope hubby isn't deployed for too long
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Mudmagnets on August 10, 2018, 11:48:16 AM
Amazing isn't it, When we go on hols to Devon we stay at the same holiday park. We travel from Swanage after an overnight stay and then do the rest of the journey the next day. The dogs are quiet en route, but as soon we reach the site and I indicate left, they realise (God knows how) that we are there, and it's a good reason to let everyone know we have arrived.  :lol:

btw we shall be away from 31/8 to 8/9 if someone would like to take over  :birthday: greetings that would be much appreciated  :luv:
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: bizzylizzy on August 10, 2018, 01:30:18 PM
 I can do that! - and presumably Julie won‘t mind backing me up, lest I forget!!  ;)
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Mudmagnets on August 10, 2018, 03:04:28 PM
I can do that! - and presumably Julie won‘t mind backing me up, lest I forget!!  ;)

Bless you both thanks,  :luv:
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Leo0106 on August 11, 2018, 07:26:22 AM
Just had my first full night sleep in a week!! Thank the lord!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Mudmagnets on August 11, 2018, 07:57:08 AM
That is good, so you're feeling bright eyed and bushy tailed this morning then  ;)
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Jaysmumagain on August 11, 2018, 02:15:31 PM
I can do that! - and presumably Julie won‘t mind backing me up, lest I forget!!  ;)

Will do :D  Jayne and I will jump to it never fear :005:
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Jaysmumagain on August 11, 2018, 02:17:29 PM
Good boy Leo

Fingers crossed for tonight :clapping:
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Leo0106 on August 14, 2018, 10:55:54 PM
2 nights full sleep... back to square one last night  >:( now currently listening to him barking in his bed... falls asleep for 10 mimutes, wakes up and barks again.
I literally have no idea what is waking him!!!
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: bizzylizzy on August 15, 2018, 07:07:25 AM
Wasps, flies, mosiquitos? ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz at night, sending me barking mad at the moment.!! Just a thought..   :huh:
Headlights from cars going past ? Animals in the garden?

Wonder if a radio playing softly would tone down the silence so that any other noise from outside which might be disturbing him, wouldn‘t seem so obvious?
Hope you can sort it, if not,  maybe 2 pairs of ear plugs and 2 blindfolds - one set for and one forLeo!!  :005: :005:
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Jaysmumagain on August 15, 2018, 09:56:31 AM
Maybe a few glasses red wine.......for you I mean

The music thing I used to do with Ollie when he was young, worth a try
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: James+Carly on August 15, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
Oh no 🙈

We feel your pain.

People keep telling us, which ever method we choose, to be consistent. However, when you’ve both had 4 hours sleep per night for four weeks.... it does test your patients slightly!

Is he interested in a kong before bed? That may help? We’ve also put a radio on at night to try and help. Although I think I’m going to invest in some ear plugs 🙈

I hope Leo settles down for you soon xx
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Leo0106 on August 15, 2018, 09:05:09 PM
Thanks all for the suggestions  I think it's a little trial an error at the minute with regard to what is waking him up.. he has NEVER been an issue at night before, so i struggle to think any minor adaptations like minimising noise outside etc would be the reason, as he has always been so oblivious to anything like that.

I hate to call him attention seeking but i truly feel he is attention seeking.. but i worry that he has had such a stressful few weeks /months with a lot of change in our household that he is finally lashing back.

Im trying to be as consistent as possible. Last night i ended up going down to him but I made sure i just walked in, made no eye contact, no physical contact etc. Made myself a drink (glass of wine  >:D ), briefly opened the door and then walked back out.. that worked! No sound after that.... tonight I'm going to th leaving him with something of Stuart's clothing again....im reluctant to change too much like music playing or giving him a kong etc yet because he has always been so Good so i know he knows what to do!

Part of me thinks... just carry on being consistent...but It is driving me innssaannneee  :lol2: 2 weeks of broken sleep and i am a zombie
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Jaysmumagain on August 16, 2018, 10:44:46 AM
I know the last thing a zombie needs is to wonder the streets :D but what time is his walk, maybe a slightly longer walk it might tire him out(or not with your average cocker) but it might work for both of you.

Fingers crossed
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Leo0106 on August 16, 2018, 07:29:33 PM
Haha i look like a zombie constantly at the minute anyway so no problem there!
He goes out in an hour at 6pm in the evenings.
I do wonder whether he needs to go out later and I might try that... I've bought som black card today, im going to put it up at the kitchen doors so he can't see out even after parting the curtains to peer out.... not a ruddy clue if it will make a single bit of difference  :lol2: we had a good bedtime last night... in bed at 11pm and no noise. However was up barking at 1am and 4am
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Leo0106 on August 16, 2018, 09:10:35 PM
Call me crazy.... But desperate times call for desperate measures ....
(https://image.ibb.co/b6wA8K/20180816_202254.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dXXTvz)

An attempt to stop him being distracted by the outside... black card against the doors.
All I want is a full night sleep   :lol2: 1.5 weeks with approximately 4 hours sleep a night.. or less.
Even my amazing dog trainer who has helped us through thick and thin is lost for what to suggest! (Other than let him sleep with me but im a stubborn mule!)
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: phoenix on August 16, 2018, 11:32:21 PM
I’m a softie, and the bedroom is big enough for a dog bed.  He may have bad separation anxiety, and feels as bad as you. You both need sleep.
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Leo0106 on August 19, 2018, 06:53:29 PM
Well i nearly turned soft last night.  Full night sleep on Friday for the first time in two weeks.
I was out for the whole day yesterday  dog walker and neighbours came in all day.
I came home at 11pm to discover the dog going crazy and my garage being burgled.  One bet unsettled pup again but after calling the police etc I didn't go to bed till 1am and he allowed me a lay in this morning.... not so hopeful for tonight now as he has been on edge all day but here's hoping...
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Issy on August 19, 2018, 07:30:57 PM
Oh no. Poor you and poor Leo, you both must have been terrified. I wonder if the burglar has been snooping around before and disturbed Leo.  I really hope he settles for you and you get a good nights sleep. 
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: bizzylizzy on August 19, 2018, 07:35:36 PM
 >:( No shortage of action when Dad‘s away is there? ;)
Fingers crossed you can have a quiet night!  :D
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Leo0106 on August 19, 2018, 07:58:11 PM
No rest when dads away, no rest for me, the wicked, haha

We are both fine, i was shaken up last night and he's been the ultimate guard dog today  but currently napping across my lap as if nothing happened
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Digger on August 20, 2018, 09:31:47 PM
Honestly, we go on holiday for two weeks and all hell breaks loose!
Obviously the problem with Leo is that he has been missing the updates from his devil counterpart, Inca.
After making our holiday as 'interesting' as possible, she is now home and back to her old tricks.  >:D
Tell Leo he can sleep now!
 :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Leo0106 on August 20, 2018, 10:34:17 PM
Digger inca has been clearly sending messages to Leo again!!!
However, we are on our 3rd night of no wake up calls, even after the trauma of the weekend so here's hoping i have my settled pup back.
Hope you had a fab holiday!!!
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Digger on August 20, 2018, 10:43:32 PM
 :lol2:
Yeah-it was great. Inca decided it would be the perfect time to have her first season.
The three of us-in a camper van- in the dog capital of cornwall.
I ask you.
 :shades:
Title: Re: You give them love ... they give you hell
Post by: Leo0106 on August 21, 2018, 07:50:29 AM
Ohhh poor inca!!!! And poor you. Hope you managed to keep her happy and without too much hassle from dogs haha