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Title: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: kalem on June 03, 2008, 05:29:13 PM
I mentioned Lucy's weight in her thread when she was spayed on Friday, I thought the vet said she was 17kg, but to my horror she was 19kg,  :o  she went for her check up today and she is fine, the vet weighed her again and she is now 18.4 kg so she has lost a bit, ive cut her kibbles down a little, but im still shocked she dosent look overweight to me.

(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii307/kalu94/llucy014.jpg) 

And  that coffe has only got one sugar in (honest)  :005:
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: ladylola on June 03, 2008, 05:35:33 PM
Wow that is one big girlie. Is she a tall dog.
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Mudmagnets on June 03, 2008, 05:38:18 PM
He he, that looks like a Smudge moment, if I don't pick my cup up pretty smartish  :005:, he is not fussy either - tea, coffee, ovaltine, you name it the little >:D :luv:
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Hurtwood Dogs on June 03, 2008, 05:38:47 PM
Blimey!

Dave is 10.4 kilos so she's nearly double him!! :o She doesn't look that big in the pics - is she very tall?

Hannah x
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Helen on June 03, 2008, 05:40:22 PM
awww poor Lucy, it does indeed seem that she should be losing weight.  What's her height to the shoulder?
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: kalem on June 03, 2008, 05:52:37 PM
Aww now im worried, just had a quick measure and she is 15 inches to her shoulder, is that tall, small i dont know, vet said she should be about 13-15kg and going by that she is Obese  :005:
But i can defo feel her ribs  :-\

Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Helen on June 03, 2008, 05:53:26 PM
Jarvis is 15 1/2 inches to the shoulder and is 12.7kgs, and he's not skinny  ph34r
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: kalem on June 03, 2008, 05:57:06 PM
Thanks Livercake, thats a definite diet for the little madam then, weve managed to loose 1kg only another 5kg to go  ::)
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Helen on June 03, 2008, 06:54:42 PM
aim for 15kgs - she may be fine at that weight  ;)
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Hurtwood Dogs on June 03, 2008, 07:00:47 PM
Maybe she's just dense boned  :005: Dave is about 15.5 inches high too and 10.4 kilos but he's only just a year old so will fill out a bit more..

Hannah xxx
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Nuffi on June 03, 2008, 07:23:16 PM
Jerry was around 18 kilos for a while (now between 16-17), but he's around 18'' tall  :blink:

Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: JasperPop on June 03, 2008, 07:55:31 PM
Molly and Jagger are both around 17" to the shoulder and Jagger is 14.4kg (ish) while Molly is 15.1kg (ish)
Given that we weighed them on the bathroom scales while holding them so I am not entirely sure how accurate that is!

My Step-Dad said that he thought Molly was looking fat recently so I got a bit paranoid about her, but I can feel her ribs and she def has a waist.  I think sometimes the charts dont apply, they very so much in height and build.

I am sure the vets will be giving me their opinion tomorrow!
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Victoria on June 03, 2008, 08:15:39 PM
I was in the vets this evening and it seemed to be cocker spaniel night (which was great for me  :lol2:).  There was one boy and he was HUGE and his owner told me he weighed 21kg.  He definitely was not over weight though he was just a big boy. 
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Penelope on June 03, 2008, 08:22:28 PM
Buffy is only 10" to the shoulder and weighs in at 9.6K.  She seems tiny next to other cockers.  :005: :005:
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Beth on June 03, 2008, 08:39:27 PM
Jerry was around 18 kilos for a while (now between 16-17), but he's around 18'' tall  :blink:



I wonder if i actually keep Jarvis a bit too skinny then ph34r he's 18.5" tall, and i don't like him above 15.5kg. Infact i've just cut down his food again, 'cos he'd gained a wee bit and looked too barrell shaped for my liking. ph34r
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Nuffi on June 03, 2008, 09:12:48 PM
Jerry was around 18 kilos for a while (now between 16-17), but he's around 18'' tall  :blink:



I wonder if i actually keep Jarvis a bit too skinny then ph34r he's 18.5" tall, and i don't like him above 15.5kg. Infact i've just cut down his food again, 'cos he'd gained a wee bit and looked too barrell shaped for my liking. ph34r

Oh! At 16 kilos (this was after he had some tummy trouble and I cut down any table scraps etc) I definitely thought he was getting too thin, as I could really feel the ribs (I'll never understand just how MUCH you should be able to feel the ribs  :huh:). I've just increased his food to keep him around 17 kilos.

This is how he looks (always difficult to tell with all the hair  ph34r) , but does this look ok?

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x231/Nuffelini/IMG_0952-1.jpg

or

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x231/Nuffelini/IMG_1110.jpg  (sorry, Kalu, don't want to hijack your thread!)

Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: kalem on June 03, 2008, 09:44:11 PM
Hi Nuffi, dont apologise its nice to know what other Cockers weigh, and an interesting post.
I think your little man looks just great, i can see now that although Lucy dosent look fat it does show she is carrying extra weight cuz although i can feel her ribs i can also feel loose skin mostly on her back,  :'( so its defo cut back time  :D
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Hurtwood Dogs on June 03, 2008, 10:09:52 PM
Hi Nuffi, dont apologise its nice to know what other Cockers weigh, and an interesting post.
I think your little man looks just great, i can see now that although Lucy dosent look fat it does show she is carrying extra weight cuz although i can feel her ribs i can also feel loose skin mostly on her back,  :'( so its defo cut back time  :D

Actually that's a good point about the back - the last bit to go on Norms was across the top of her shoulders - it was like an exaggerated scruff and she actually had to go through a phase where you could see her ribs for a bit to loose that. Now she is sleek all over and you cant really see her ribs apart from during extreme moves  :005: So maybe lucy is carrying it more on top, so to speak?

Hannah xx
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: kalem on June 03, 2008, 10:26:54 PM
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So maybe lucy is carrying it more on top, so to speak?

Hannah xx

 :005: :005: :005: Wish i was, i was last in the queue, so to speak  :005:

But your right there is more skin on top, so my girls top heavy  :005:
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Jan/Billy on June 03, 2008, 10:36:27 PM
Billy is around the 18kg mark and certainly isn't fat  ;)
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: JaspersMum on June 03, 2008, 10:46:59 PM
Lucy is similar weight to Jasper and I can feel his ribs but there is loose skin.  I've changed him to Burns High Oats which seems to be showing some benefit but poor Jasper doesn't like it either so he's always looking for sneaky theft.
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: *jean* on June 04, 2008, 04:56:17 AM
rolo 14 inches at withers is 12 - 12.5 kg liath is roughly the same weight and height pepper at 16 inches is a little heavier at 14 - 14 .5 kgs. when rolos wet he looks like a skinned rabbit but hes very muscular. the girls arent as musceley as he is but he keeps up with the bigger dogs all the time so he does more work. pepper sets the pace he has to keep up. rolo also has the thickest legs altho they are the shortest! he is a little powerhouse, nothing can stop him or get in his way. he will get into spaces that a bigger dog cant by literally forcing his way through to get at whatever is  in there be it pheasant or rat! unfortunately he also thinks hes a terrier and has gone to ground on more than one occaision! ( there could be a benefit of him being a bit bigger he wouldnt be able to do that!)
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Beth on June 04, 2008, 08:00:32 AM
Jerry was around 18 kilos for a while (now between 16-17), but he's around 18'' tall  :blink:



I wonder if i actually keep Jarvis a bit too skinny then ph34r he's 18.5" tall, and i don't like him above 15.5kg. Infact i've just cut down his food again, 'cos he'd gained a wee bit and looked too barrell shaped for my liking. ph34r

Oh! At 16 kilos (this was after he had some tummy trouble and I cut down any table scraps etc) I definitely thought he was getting too thin, as I could really feel the ribs (I'll never understand just how MUCH you should be able to feel the ribs  :huh:). I've just increased his food to keep him around 17 kilos.

This is how he looks (always difficult to tell with all the hair  ph34r) , but does this look ok?

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x231/Nuffelini/IMG_0952-1.jpg

or

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x231/Nuffelini/IMG_1110.jpg  (sorry, Kalu, don't want to hijack your thread!)



I looooooove Jerry :luv: :luv: :luv: i actually think he looks really fit at that weight :shades: whereas Jarvis loses all waist definition they second he gains a pound. ::) :005: Just goes to show how you can't just judge on weight and height. :D
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Nicola on June 05, 2008, 10:54:33 PM
Tilly weighs about 18.3kg but she's 19" at the shoulder. She's not fat, she's just tall and very broad across her chest and ribcage. When I got her she was chubby as she'd hardly been having any exercise, she was nearly 21kg and although she didn't look obese she had excess 'rolls' at her neck and shoulders and around her bum when she sat down. At her current weight which she's maintained for about a year now she looks good, I can feel her ribs and she has a waist but she still keeps her muscle tone and condition although I have to watch her diet and she's fed less than the boys who both weigh less than her as she is definitely a 'good doer'  :005:
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Sheryl on June 06, 2008, 08:44:39 AM
This was one of my fears when Kali was spayed.  Our trainer always maintained that there is absolutely no reason for a bitch to get fatter after spay other than over feeding.  Something about their metabolism slowing down so not needing as much food.  I think she is right because Kali has managed to stay trim.  I do sometimes do the rib feely thing but for me it is her waist.  When that starts to disappear then I know Miss Porky needs to diet ph34r :005:  I manage to keep her at a steady 11.3kg or thereabouts.
Title: Re: "Lucy" im so shocked
Post by: Karma on June 06, 2008, 09:50:16 AM


This "rib" thing - is it ribs at the chest or ribs over the back????
Honey is at the age where she is "filling out" and we are finding it less easy to feel her ribs through her back, but they are fine through her chest.  We have recently changed her food to BARF and she was spayed 2 months ago, so I want to be sure weight doesn't creep on....  ph34r