Zen spent the night at the vets.

[Mel]

could he have eaten a toad?

Bit random

From experience in my misspent youth, yes you do get a hangover from magic mushrooms 

 

[cdpops]

Glad to see Zen is ok after his ordeal.

[Helen]

could he have eaten a toad?

Bit random

From experience in my misspent youth, yes you do get a hangover from magic mushrooms 

 

not random at all JeffandAnnie - my friends working cocker goes hunting frogs toads a lot when he's let out at night for a wee and his mouth always froths if manages to catch one - he doesn't fit but some dogs been known to have minor fits after eating/licking them.  Although UK toads are (obviously) not as poisonous as other countries toads they still secrete a substance which makes dogs froth and over-salivate (it can look like shaving foam!).

It's far more likely than eating a random magic mushroom unless he likes eating mushrooms anyway 

[LynneB]

could he have eaten a toad?

Bit random

From experience in my misspent youth, yes you do get a hangover from magic mushrooms 

 

not random at all JeffandAnnie - my friends working cocker goes hunting frogs toads a lot when he's let out at night for a wee and his mouth always froths if manages to catch one - he doesn't fit but some dogs been known to have minor fits after eating/licking them.  Although UK toads are (obviously) not as poisonous as other countries toads they still secrete a substance which makes dogs froth and over-salivate (it can look like shaving foam!).

It's far more likely than eating a random magic mushroom unless he likes eating mushrooms anyway 

If Zen saw anything move, he would run a mile. It is extremely unlikely that it would be a toad or frog as he would be very wary of it. What would be the cause of him whining and barking whilst being sick? He seemed to be in pain

[Helen]

I'm not saying it was definitely a toad Lynne, I was responding to JeffandAnnie as clearly they thought I was mad suggesting it 

He wouldn't have had to eat it, a lick is enough for a frog/toad to excrete from it's outer skin.  When licked it may cause adverse side effects, such as behavioural changes, breathing problems, bleeding, vomiting, nausea and lethargy.  It could be that he found a dead/dying toad? It could also explain why there was nothing there when he vomited 

Alfie the toad catcher usually froths at the mouth (looks like shaving foam) and he's vomited a couple of times.  He still catches them though 

Does Zen normally eat mushrooms? 

[LynneB]

I'm not saying it was definitely a toad Lynne, I was responding to JeffandAnnie as clearly they thought I was mad suggesting it 

He wouldn't have had to eat it, a lick is enough for a frog/toad to excrete from it's outer skin.  When licked it may cause adverse side effects, such as behavioural changes, breathing problems, bleeding, vomiting, nausea and lethargy.  It could be that he found a dead/dying toad? It could also explain why there was nothing there when he vomited 

Alfie the toad catcher usually froths at the mouth (looks like shaving foam) and he's vomited a couple of times.  He still catches them though 

Does Zen normally eat mushrooms? 

Zen will eat anything........

[Helen]

well if he has a history of eating mushrooms your vet is probably right - strange that there was no sign of mushroom when he vomited.

I find it a bit strange that my posts about toads are attracting such antipathy - after all it's actually quite common.

[mlynnf50]

Well I am with you Helen on this on my JR loved toads and would catch them, shake them and toss them in the air until they shot that foam stuff at him then he would let them go. Really it could have been anything if he is anything like mine

I am so pleased that he is back home and hope he gets better real soon big squggles for him from me an Selby

[BobnDot]

We all know how expert Cockers are at picking up things without even breaking stride, be it toads, magic mushrooms or any other unsavoury (to us) items . I'm just thankful that Zen's recovered with no further ill effects.

[LynneB]

Zen says a big thank you for all your good wishes.

He is going to be a good boy now and not eat anything he shouldn't.  Fat chance....

[wendyt]

Helen
I had a friend with a lab who used to go after frogs and toads, he used to froth at the mouth and would be sick occassionally. Last summer Murphy was in the garden with me when he started shaking his head and was frothing really badly I was really concerned about him and was checking him over when he gave a cough and out dropped a LADYBIRD!! I spoke to a veterinary nurse and she said that Ladybird's can secrete a nasty tasting substance  You just never know !!

[aliceandlouis]

I find it a bit strange that my posts about toads are attracting such antipathy - after all it's actually quite common.

When I read the original post I too was going to suggest ingestion or at least 'lickage of a toad' so I don't think it is an unreasonable possible explanation Helen    My friend's Lakeland is forever doing this and not only does she (the dog  ) end up foaming at the mouth, if she has been exposed for long enough she also vomits copiously and then 'faints'.  To date she has always recovered well ..... (but my friend lives in hope  )

ETA - hope Zen has a quiet night and is soon on the road to recovery 

[JeffandAnnie]

I'm not saying it was definitely a toad Lynne, I was responding to JeffandAnnie as clearly they thought I was mad suggesting it 

Sorry 

[Helen]

I'm not saying it was definitely a toad Lynne, I was responding to JeffandAnnie as clearly they thought I was mad suggesting it 

Sorry 

no problem    and you're well within your rights to think I'm nuts 

[Helen]

Helen
I had a friend with a lab who used to go after frogs and toads, he used to froth at the mouth and would be sick occassionally. Last summer Murphy was in the garden with me when he started shaking his head and was frothing really badly I was really concerned about him and was checking him over when he gave a cough and out dropped a LADYBIRD!! I spoke to a veterinary nurse and she said that Ladybird's can secrete a nasty tasting substance  You just never know !!

that's weird!  never heard that one before!!!