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Re: Fraser with gut issue a year later
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2020, 07:51:00 PM »
Update on current state of Fraser. We're in a holding pattern, waiting to see if the only person on my stretch of the BC coast who can do endoscopies will be available in August or September to get a definitive assessment of what's causing the bleeding. The presumptive diagnosis is chronic IBD, but vet doesn't want to start steroids as it will interfere with results from these further tests. In the meantime, he ordered blood tests to determine whether it is safe to leave him without further treatment until he can get the ultrasound and endoscopy and fortunately they showed as normal. He's advised Metamucil in addition to Fraser's daily pumpkin to get lots of fibre going through. So, we'll see how it goes. Fingers crossed the other vet comes back and can do the procedures as travel into Vancouver with Fraser is not on the cards for me with Covid still out there and no vaccine yet available.

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Re: Fraser with gut issue a year later
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2020, 06:03:17 PM »
Such a tricky situation.  At least the tests were normal, so that is a start.  Hopefully you will get more information soon.

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Re: Fraser with gut issue a year later
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2020, 12:15:58 AM »
Well, what now. Another visit to the vet this morning. When we got up, Fraser didn't do his usual happy greeting. Sat hunched on the bed with cow eyes. But then trotted normally out to the back garden where he had a pee. I threw a frisbee and he disappeared behind the arbour. Then I heard a yelp and he came back without the frisbee and sat down trembling. Took him inside and gave him a treat, but he kind of mumbled it around in his mouth as it he was having trouble chewing it, then he went and sat on the sofa trembling quite hard. So seems as if he was in pain.  Off to vet where vital signs normal, tummy not tender, but Fraser didn't want the vet to open in his mouth. From what vet did see, there were no signs of broken tooth or cuts. So he was sent home with pain pills and instructions to give him Benadryls on the theory that maybe it was a bee sting. However, the puzzling thing is he wasn't himself first thing before he went outside to encounter bees. When we got home, I gave him softened food and he was able to get that down. But a few minutes ago (afternoon here) I went to give him soft cheese with a Benadryl pill in it and he gingerly touched it with his mouth and then backed away. I followed him with smaller. amount of cheese and he did take it in. The whole thing is very puzzling. What a year (well, started last year) of distressing ailments the poor boy is having.

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Re: Fraser with gut issue a year later
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2020, 06:01:27 AM »
What a worrying time for you.   :luv:  Sending lots of these to you and Fraser.  :bigarmhug:

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Re: Fraser with gut issue a year later
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2020, 10:39:46 AM »
Sending healing thoughts to Fraser.
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Re: Fraser with gut issue a year later
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2020, 07:11:27 PM »
Thanks for your healing thoughts. I *think*   :dunno: maybe he's getting better though he was asking to be let out at 4 a.m. and 6 a.m. which he does when his tummy is upset. In the second outing, I found him sitting under a bush. ?? When he came in, he went to the sofa rather than coming back to his bed which he usually does when he's unwell. Lot of stomach noises. But, let him out this morning, trot trot, off to sniff around and wanted to greet the neighbour whom he heard over the fence. When I asked him if he wanted food, he perked and ate it no problem. So, he's on the mend? I sure hope so.

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Re: Fraser with gut issue a year later
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2020, 07:27:37 PM »
Poor little chap. Fingers crossed he’s on the mend. I’m wondering if  he might have or have had a bit of pancreatitis?

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Re: Fraser with gut issue a year later
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2020, 09:42:27 PM »
Sending healing thoughts, hope a bit of the old COL magic will work for poor Frazer. Its so frustrating when they just can’t tell you what‘s wrong.!
Hope he‘s feeling better soon!  :bigarmhug:

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Re: Fraser with gut issue a year later
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2020, 06:30:06 PM »
Well....things are just a big mystery. This is day 5 from when Fraser woke up in a sad condition and trembling. He saw the vet on Friday when it started, physical exam revealing nothing--no tender abdomen, vitals normal, but he wouldn't open his mouth enough for vet to check it for lesions or signs of an insect sting. Sent home with pain pills and instructions to give him Benadryl on the theory that he may have been stung in the mouth. There has been no vomiting or diarrhoea that would suggest poison of some sort.  Since then, his behaviour has been inconsistent. Sad, no greetings in the morning, moping during the day. BUT, he's keen on his walks, trots, sniffs about, leaves his mark and he is keen on his food which is small dry kibble in warm water with pumpkin. He's able to move his jaw enough to be able to slurp that up, but he no longer wants his treats that he used to demand at routine times of the day. The treats are larger than the food kibble, about the size of a small grape. It seems it hurts his mouth to open just that little bit further. I wrap his pills in a little ball of cream cheese and he's hesitant to take it, but gives it a try as he loves cream cheese and gets it down.

The vet has been in touch daily to see how he's doing and the idea was to see if he improves and if not, examine the mouth under sedation. However, on Sunday, Fraser was still acting the same in the mornings. Hunched, no greeting, sad dog, obviously not well.  And when he was let outside, he went down to the end of the garden and sat hunched under a bush shivering. That's been happening each morning since the start of this. So, back to the vet, another one in the practice, who gave him a thorough examination and then put him under anaesthetic to have a good look inside his mouth. Nothing. Could see no problem with teeth, was able to open his mouth which eliminated a possible problem with maxillary (?) muscle at hinge of jaw, no signs of lesion, stings or below gum issues. Did an X ray which she enlarged to see as much detail as possible, but still could see no cause of the inability to open his mouth. The only option short of going into Vancouver to the vet clinic for more major investigation, is treat symptoms. So he's still on pain pills plus antibiotic in case there's an underlying infection somewhere. However, blood tests were normal, white count normal.

It's a complete mystery what's wrong with him. He did seem more normal yesterday. Same slow start, but he was actively enthusiastic about going out for a walk later in the morning got into position to get his harness on, tail wagging and had a long walk, trotting, sniffing, generally being completely normal. I thought, this might be the turn. Then, this morning, hunched dog, no happy greeting, let him outside where he disappeared down the end of the garden. After a few minutes I went looking for him and found him under the bush again, shivering. This is day 5 of whatever's wrong with him with no diagnosis, inconsistent behaviour, two vets have examined him and he's still not right. Needless to say, I'm very worried. And this is on top of his 'holding pattern' for the IBD, hoping the vet who can do endoscopies comes back from med leave.

Sorry about the long, long post, but if anyone is likely to have a clue about this new mouth/jaw issue that has him so poorly, they're likely to be here. Some kind of plant or herbicide poison seems out of the possibilities as there has been no vomiting or diarrhoea and he's eating happily as long as he doesn't have to open his jaw much. But WTH??

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Re: Fraser with gut issue a year later
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2020, 07:10:34 PM »
How very very strange, poor lad!!
I realize this is an extremely  long shot, but you‘re obviously desperate and it was just a thought - my own jaw sometimes locks, usually first thing in the morning and I can‘t open my mouth properly, its almost as if the jaw joint has slipped out of alignment and after a bit of gentle wiggling about, its ok again, In my case the problem seems to stem from the neck and my dentist prescribed physio which has helped. Just wondered if its worth asking the vet if a neck problem could be causing a trapped nerve, maybe after lying in one position all night?
(Sorry if its a mad idea! )
Do hope you can find help for Fraser soon!  :bigarmhug:

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Re: Fraser with gut issue a year later
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2020, 08:00:52 PM »
Just back from walk with Fraser. He trotted along, sniffed, pooped, marked, all normal. But there was a bit of peel on the road and he went to sniff it. I let him investigate as he doesn't eat orange peel However, he tried to take a bit in his mouth and yelped loudly. So mouth/jaw still hurts as much as ever at day 5. While he was under sedation at the vet's, she checked the jaw hinges as there is an inflammatory thing that can give a dog pain and difficulty in opening the jaw, but seemed okay.

The fact that he's not improving with time is very puzzling. And that he's otherwise normal when he's out for a walk, but not in the mornings when he's definitely suffering *something* that makes him feel low and want to hide in a bush trembling. I even looked up symptoms of Covid in dogs, but he's not showing any of those symptoms. He's 11 years old. Hmm, immediately thought arthritis in the jaw (though it came on suddenly last Friday), but that would have shown up in an X-ray.

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Re: Fraser with gut issue a year later
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2020, 09:22:26 PM »
Have they considered masticatory muscle myositis as a differential diagnosis? Just throwing out an idea, they probably have considered it. I just remembered that I saw a dog once that suffered from this. Could not open his mouth without pain. I believe he was treated with corticosteroids. Hope you can find out what it is and get treatment soon. Sounds like a nightmare for you right now!

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Re: Fraser with gut issue a year later
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2020, 10:03:00 PM »
I think that's one of the things the vet was looking for while he was under. She said if she couldn't open his jaw when he is under sedation, that would indicate something to do with the mandibular joint, so I assume she was probably talking about MMM. However, she could open his jaw while he was under and had a good look around as well as with the X-rays. I'm just back from grocery p.u. and Fraser didn't get up to greet me. He's definitely low, very much not himself. And yet on his walk he was feeling strong enough to express opinions about our route. He usually does that at intersections--looks at me with ears up and leans in the direction he wants to take. And the walk was 2 hours after the pain pills, so you would have thought they would have kicked in enough that he wouldn't have yelped when he opened his mouth to take the orange peel. Yet he can eat his kibble floating in water, no signs of pain as he's slurping it up and will take the little ball of cream cheese with his pill though a little hesitantly. It is so confusing and worrying.

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Re: Fraser with gut issue a year later
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2020, 12:06:02 PM »
So worrying - it is awful when they can't tell you what is wrong - yet clearly you can see there is !

Is it a long journey to Vancouver - guess you need to take ferry etc. If Fraser doesn't improve think it is the next step.  Do hope he improves without the need.

Thinking of you both.
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Re: Fraser with gut issue a year later
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2020, 05:18:52 PM »
Really hope they can figure it out soon. Not knowing must be so difficult!