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Offline debbie321

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« on: December 11, 2005, 08:57:07 PM »
Ben is a 5 month old working cocker and has been part of the family from 8 weeks old.  He is a high maintainance little chap and has been since day one (as are most pups) but the loud barking and howling has always worried me.  I think it's separation anxiety but don't know what to do about it.  When we are home but away from him- i.e. upstairs - he goes mental.  We've tried leaving him until he stops 'shouting' but when you have to leave the house at a certain time it's very difficult.  I thought he'd settled when we went out, but tonight a neighbour was waiting at the doorstep (we'd been out for 2 1/2 hours).  She thought I was ill or injured as my car was still outside and Ben had ben going mental for the whole time. When I apologised, she said that Ben was like this EVERY time that we were out (I work 20 hours a week).  I do appreciate my neighbours patience but if the boot was on the other foot - how would I feel?

I have tried a DAP diffuser (still plugged in) - he has a cozy crate - we leave a radio on quietly - we've tried skullcap and vallerian pills - not making a fuss when we leave etc - and any thing else suggested so far.

He had 2 good 1hr walks before we left - so it wasn't the need to toilet or get exercise.

Please - has anyone got any other tips?


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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2005, 09:45:01 PM »
sorry no help here but just thought i would let you know you are not alone.paddy is a perfect little dog until we leave the room or worse the house.it's got so bad i have to pay a babysitter.i hardly leave the house these days and feel like a hermit.

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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2005, 09:51:28 PM »
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sorry no help here but just thought i would let you know you are not alone.paddy is a perfect little dog until we leave the room or worse the house.it's got so bad i have to pay a babysitter.i hardly leave the house these days and feel like a hermit.
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How have you coped?  I'm desparate to have Ben as a family member but I have to work (and shop and visit parents and ......maybe one day - socialise).  I love Ben to bits - the friends we make in the park also love him to bits as he is an 'optomistic' little boy and won't let anything faze him.  I would really love to know how to leave him happy and settled knowing that family life will return without the need to shout the whole neighbourhood down.

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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2005, 10:04:37 PM »
Mikey my 7 month old working cocker cries when left alone, but when I say alone I mean without his sidekick Herbie who is 5 months.

I wouldn't suggest getting another dog for this reason as having 2 dogs creates a whole new set of problems  :lol: but Mikey only cries when I take Herbie out without him. Herbie doesn't care if Mikey is there or not really - but Mikey is very highly strung, not sure if it's a working cocker thing.

You may have already tried this but have you given him a stuffed kong when you go out?  Good luck and I hope you get more advice on this forum and that things get better for you.
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2005, 10:09:13 PM »
with now having millie i tried to leave them yesterday for a while but they both howled the house down.i must have looked like a right flippin plonker stood outside in the freezing cold spying through the closed curtains. :lol:
i tried a kong to no avail.i have just come to terms that if i have to go out without them then i have to have a sitter :(

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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2005, 10:39:54 PM »
tbh I haven't tried a stuffed kong but i'm willing to try anything!  What do you stuff it with - and what sort of kong do you stuff?  I've seen them in the pet shop but haven't bought one yet.

I love Ben and will do anything to make him feel secure and keep him happy while I'm out.  Not sure how long a kong will last - he's on his own for a max of 3 hours at the moment - but dear old Dad might not turn up one day (he has been a star so far) so he may be left for 5 hours a day 4 days a week.

I did my research before getting Ben and I honestly thought it would work.  Poor Ben has made me rethink - have I done the right thing?

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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2005, 10:40:03 PM »
Hi Ladies,

I can TOTALLY identify here - I was beginning to feel like a hermit a few months ago too - for the same reasons as both of you!! We even briefly considered getting a 2nd dog for company!!

Our Max is now 7mths old (working cocker too) & from day 1 I'm convinced he's had a touch of SA. (I've put several posts on here & replied to other peoples' about it before now - desperate for help at times!)

From the start he howled like a banshee at night when left in the kitchen so we moved his crate to our bedroom - settled immediately - brilliant - now he's in a normal bed & as good as gold.

However, daytimes have always been a different matter!! He HATED being shut in the decent sized puppy proofed kitchen - he had EVERYTHING he could possibly want & we did EVERYTHING advised to settle him before leaving him but to no avail - he'd cry, howl, wee, poo, get himself in a REAL state - I either didn't go out or spent any time I did in a complete panic about him & what I'd be faced with when I got home.

Other than this, he was a complete dream of a pup - well mannered, loving, toilet trained quickly, etc etc etc

In the end, we bit the bullet & moved the puppy gate from the kitchen-lounge door to the lounge-hall door & gave him the run of both the kitchen & lounge when we left him - we figured he associated the lounge with somewhere he spent most of his time & was where he slept & played most during the day etc etc etc. We plugged in a DAP diffuser, puppy proofed as much as possible & went for it - well, it was like he was a different dog - he changed almost immediately - no chewing, no peeing, no howling, no throwing himself at the door, etc etc etc. Don't get me wrong - he doesn't particularly like it & so far we've only got him up to 3 hours of being left, but for us that's a ruddy miracle - at one point I seriously thought I'd never be able to leave the house again!! We've ended up relaxing our 'not on the sofa' rule as he seems to settle straight away if he gets on there as we leave - he dolefully watches us leave & then just sleeps as far as we can tell - we've spied on him & crept around like loonies for the past couple of months!!

He's still a bit iffy about the evenings & so far if we're out for anything over an hour or so, we get family or friends to pup-sit, but we intend to HOPEFULLY gradually increase his time to 4/5 hours in the day if necessary & also the same for the odd  night, so that we can FINALLY have a life back again - bless him!!!!!!!!! I read somewhere that the first half hour is the crucial time & that if they can get used to being left for 2-3 hours then it doesn't matter so much how long you leave them after that as they don't really appreciate time etc. - don't know how true this is though?

Max has always been really 'clingy' & still hates being apart from us when we're still in the house - unless it's of his choosing. He follows us from room to room, hates us closing the toilet door for example(!!), doesn't like us shutting the puppy gate with him the other side AT ALL, etc etc but he seems to be getting ok with us actually leaving the house - weird, but we're so pleased with his progress that we can live with this for now!!

Having said that, he's finally doing that thing now where he goes off occasionally into the next room for a bit of a lie-down in the evenings & to be alone for a while - like a 'time-out' from us - it's odd because everyone told us he'd do that when he was a small pup but he never ever did for some reason.

I have to say, since we got him at 9 weeks old, we've never spent so much time at home in our entire lives - our social life has taken a real dive but we've been lucky enough to have family & friends who love dogs & who don't mind coming to our house for a meal & a 'cocker mugging' (!!) etc instead of going out - the money we've saved I've been happily spending on zillions of dog toys & the like, much to hubby's dismay!!

We adore Max to bits & would do anything to make sure he's happy, but I have to say, there have been times when we've seriously worried about the situation as it seemed unsolveable, but now we've finally got light at the end of the tunnel. We were on the point of getting a behaviourist/trainer in for some 1-1 sessions to ask for proper advice etc - I know it's an expense but it might be worth a try? Either that or are there any alterations to his confinement situation that you can try to see if that helps like it did for us? We're a bit nervous about giving him access beyond the kitchen but so far he's not attempted to chew anything, so we're just praying that continues - it's a risk though & we  appreciate it's not something that everyone can do - particularly depending on the layout of their house etc.

Sorry to ramble on for so long - not sure I've even helped you really!!!!!!!

Do let us know how you get on & what you try etc. You never know - he might just slowly mature out of it a bit - ?!

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Kath.

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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2005, 11:01:01 PM »
Kath - you haven't rambled honest!

I haven't let Ben stay on his own out of his crate.  He accepts this as more than normal at bedtime and i even have to persuade him to leave the crate to go out for a last minute pee first  :P  - but during the day he acts as though its torture.  I would love to leave him some freedom but he is intent on clearing the kitchen sides of anything - knives - food - crockery etc  + he has discovered that the floor is sort of edible and the doors are made of chewable wood ....... and so on.

I have noticed that when he jumps on the settee or chair, he immediatley goes into the 'I'm happy, dont' move me' mode.  Do you think this would last even if we weren't there?  Or would I come home to a battlefield or worse - an injured dog.  As I said -I'm willing to try anything once!

Oops - I've been moved sorry, just realised that this should have been in the puppy forum.

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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2005, 07:23:50 AM »
Try and remember he is a working cocker - so he would normally be in a kennel with other dogs, or out working, or being trained.  In a kennel with other dogs he would have stimulation and it doesn't matter if they bark.  Working cockers are incredibly busy little dogs, and need tons of stimulation - a kong, an activity ball with kibble in it - cardboard toilet roll tubes with treats in (fold ends of the tube so its hard for him to get them out) - and if you can dogproof an area, then let him out of the crate if that is what is making him a bit loopy.  Some dogs take to the crates really well , and some hate them...
You have to clear the surfaces though in case he nicks stuff like knives - been there done that - have two tall dogs !

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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2005, 08:48:42 AM »
jarvis hates his crate.  full stop....so he has the run of the lounge and kitchen (and sofa), and has done from an early age and so far so good.  can leave him for up to 4 hours with him being absolutely fine (i'm the one in bits doing the 'must get home to my boy' fidgits...)

agree with penel and miche, you'll have to introduce this carefully as he's a 'chewer'...

failing that, drop him off with me in wiltshire! :D
helen & jarvis x


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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2005, 09:30:40 AM »
I don't crate my working cocker baby, he needs to play, he gets the kitchen if I go out with tons to amuse him, Kongs stuffed with cheese, peanut butter or frozen with yoghurt and tuna, plus every box I would normally throw out, egg boxes, cereal boxes etc. He is 6 months and hasn't chewed a thing because I leave him so much to play with. Working cockers don't need exercise as such, they need stimulation, so their walks must involve training and games and there must be training at home for fun or he will get bored.

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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2005, 09:53:11 AM »
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Try and remember he is a working cocker - so he would normally be in a kennel with other dogs, or out working, or being trained.  In a kennel with other dogs he would have stimulation and it doesn't matter if they bark.  Working cockers are incredibly busy little dogs, and need tons of stimulation - a kong, an activity ball with kibble in it - cardboard toilet roll tubes with treats in (fold ends of the tube so its hard for him to get them out) - and if you can dogproof an area, then let him out of the crate if that is what is making him a bit loopy.  Some dogs take to the crates really well , and some hate them...
You have to clear the surfaces though in case he nicks stuff like knives - been there done that - have two tall dogs !
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But once established the solution to SA isn't always getting another dog, as the SA is more about human company.

I do agree re the working dog and stimulation bit, which is why I didn't get or won't get a working dog (have had collies in here on foster who have been working stock and they drove me nuts), unless I decide to do more agility that is.

Sometimes as others have said its just about changing things around.

Also when some say they don't overfuss before they leave and come back are these dogs getting full on attention when owners are around. So dog goes from one extreme to another---full on attention to nothing. When I have fosters in I don't allow them to follow me from room to room and close doors behind me, am not ignoring them but not giving them my full attention either (I work from home but my 'office' is upstairs where the dogs don't go anyway).
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2005, 09:58:15 AM »
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I don't crate my working cocker baby, he needs to play, he gets the kitchen if I go out with tons to amuse him, Kongs stuffed with cheese, peanut butter or frozen with yoghurt and tuna, plus every box I would normally throw out, egg boxes, cereal boxes etc. He is 6 months and hasn't chewed a thing because I leave him so much to play with. Working cockers don't need exercise as such, they need stimulation, so their walks must involve training and games and there must be training at home for fun or he will get bored.
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I do this with mine too (even though they're not working cockers). Our walks are full of games, and I also take them to different places when I can---saturday and sunday we walked for miles (walk is a long one for me as I don't have a car so I have to walk to these places rather than drive a spublic transport doesn't get me as close as a car!), but it was a different environment than usual (a hill walk with loads of bracken and gorse to bounce around) and so they were animated.
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2005, 10:03:40 AM »
I can't offer you any expert advice I'm afraid,  but I wondered whether you had considered setting up a webcam or something, just so you can see what he does when he is left by himself?  I'm sure you'd be able to tell the difference between boredom and anxiety then?

I know Kath has a webcam up for her dog and she told me it was fantastic, and put her mind at rest :) We're trying to do the same for Barney when we leave him.

Good luck, and I hoep all works out well. Rachel xxx
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2005, 10:13:02 AM »
I have to say we were sort of lulled into a false sence of security with Vahri, she is a working Cocker, a very laid back, well mannered one, if a tad insecure.

She would be quite happy with a couple wee walks a day and the rest if the time asleep with plenty cuddles inbetween, very non working!!

Ruffy on the other hand is a canine dynamo - he's every where at once and there have been times I've thought, if he had been the first, he'd have been the last!!!!

Having said that, he is the most loving, clever wee boy you could imagine, scared of nothing.

When left alone it's Vahri who barks and cries, but because of his unrulyness (although he's never destroyed anything:blink:), it's Ruffy I leave crated.

Vahri loved her crate, unfortunately I don't have room for two. I think the solution to my problem would be to leave Vahri the crate and let Ruffy free. I just worry he'd pester Vahri to the point of aggression.

I can so understand your predicament Debbie, there are many days I'd love to leave the dogs to go out but I don't.

I do so hope there is a solution for you and your baby - once Chrimbo is over and the tree is down here, I think I'll try Ruffy on the lose again.

Janice