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Offline jann

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Re: Barney is attacking Morgan
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2009, 07:53:32 AM »
Sam already answered that question cazza, unfortunately due to where he is living he is unable to have Barney :'(



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Re: Barney is attacking Morgan
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2009, 08:45:21 AM »
Hi Sam, hope you don't mind but I talked to Top Barks on our walk yesterday about this (I was amazed about the t-touch vomiting TBH and wanted to hear his take on it....from what you've said he's an incredibly stressed little boy  :-\ )

He's away this week as well but I'm sure he wouldn't mind you contacting him - if anyone can assess a stressed little dog it's Mark  :luv:

I don't have any advice but I really feel for you :bigarmhug: - it may be that Barney could be happier in an only dog home (with no kids probably) and I think this has already entered your thought process but I'm sure as a last resort and one that  will break your heart  :'( :'(   None of us can see what's really happening on a forum and the advice is from personal experiences only - I'm convinced that a consultation with Mark would be the way to go - he is so cocker savvy and very supportive  :luv:

Please do contact Mark and :bigarmhug:
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Re: Barney is attacking Morgan
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2009, 09:25:07 AM »
I think ex husband lives in a high rise flat so it's out the question. I suppose you've looked at diet? I know it can make a diffrence. My sister had a similar problem with her dogs and she ended up rehoming the aggresive one who now lives as an only dog and has become very laid back.

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Re: Barney is attacking Morgan
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2009, 09:34:58 AM »
I agree with the others that a behaviourist, ideally Mark, is the first port of call. To be brutally honest I dont think there will be a way to really help Barney if he stays in his current situation. There may be ways to ease his stress and ways for you to manage the behaviour but its clear he is showing severe signs of stress.

Lily is not far off from being the same as him. She is most definitely a stress monster too and will always need careful handling but luckily my home environment is well suited to her so its under control. I wish there was an easy answer to give you but you obviously have tried all the usual stuff and know him very well so its not going to be something simple that helps him. I know you say you wont give in to his demands but with a dog like that its actually sometimes the best way to help them..... unfortunately in a multi-dog household making them the centre of attention aint going to work out  :-\

I cant tell what homeopathic things are from what you've said but I do know that what works for one dog wont have an effect on another aso its very much a game of trial and error.

I'd definitely try and give yourself and Barney a break from the immediate stress and see if you could find someone to look after him for a few weeks. As hard as it will be there are several other COLers who have done the same thing and I think all will agree it was really useful and let them think clearly.

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Re: Barney is attacking Morgan
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2009, 10:22:45 AM »
Thank you everyone for your thoughts and comments and for your honesty.

I've had a sleepless night mulling everything over. I feel like I'm letting both of them down.  :'( I think deep down Fifer & Jo are right and Barney now needs to be an only dog and would love a man to adore but I am so frightened that rehoming him might completely devastate him.

I've had my ups and downs with Barney with some of his quirky ways and I've always managed to sort it out and manage him. I never dreamed I'd be in a situation where he might be better away from us.  :'(

Equally I hate Morgan getting attacked and worry how that is making him feel. I'm now on tenter hooks watching for any signs that Barney might be about to go for him. I'm sure me being like that is no good for either of them because they'll both sense it. I'm scared to leave them in the room together so I'm trying to keep one of them with me as much as I can.

I wish I had someone who'd look after him for a little while as a few of you suggested. I really don't know anyone. My neighbours grandson isn't an option as his home life would make Barney worse as there is constant friction and shouting and I'm sure his mum would never allow it either.
I'm not sure how to go about sorting this mess out but everytime I think of him going I feel sick.  :'(
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Re: Barney is attacking Morgan
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2009, 07:10:30 PM »
I wish I had someone who'd look after him for a little while as a few of you suggested. I really don't know anyone.

I don't know whereabouts in the country you are, is there no-one on this forum near to you who would/could help out?  Even chatting on the phone helps sometimes, if all it does is make us laugh at ourselves and raise our spirits it has some validity.

Why not appeal for someone to take him for a holiday on here? ;)

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Re: Barney is attacking Morgan
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2009, 09:12:40 PM »
Oh Sam. I was so pleased to see you back, but so sorry that it is for this reason.

Do get in touch with Mark.

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Re: Barney is attacking Morgan
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2009, 01:49:24 PM »
I have mentioned it on another forum, I would look into thyroid! The aggressive episodes seem very similar to what Jesse used to have before he was on thyroid medication... And his aggression seemed to become worse and worse towards any of our dogs, though more often towards our pyrenees!

Another symptom he had was his increased nervousness around stuff he is frightened of... For example, he is scared of small children (due to lack of socialisation with them). He used to walk past them and only vocalise when they came too close towards him. However, it got to a stage where he would start reacting when they were yards away and he would scream walking past them even if they completely ignored him! He would also start reacting to all sorts of other things that he was fine with before like prams, people in hats etc. He was in general also much less sociable with people and would rarely go up to someone he didn't know!

Since being on medication, he is like a completely changed dog... no more attacks in our home at all (bar one which I think was due to him possibly not swallowing the tablet) in 9 months, he is still worried about small children approaching him, but now only to an extent that I would expect from an undersocialised dog, no more screaming, walking calmly past them if they ignore him and even going up to the odd one to say hello! His increasing anxieties with everyday things like prams etc has completely and utterly disappeared and he now goes up to say hello happily to pretty much anyone we meet, very rarely will he back away from a person now! Friends that met him "before" and "after" couldn't believe the difference in him!

So in his case, the whole situation - including anxiety/stress issues - were caused or drastically increased by lack of thyroid hormones! So yes, I would test for it before thinking about rehoming - though it needs to be done properly as the normal basic T4 test that most vets use is not reliable and conclusive for dogs!

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Re: Barney is attacking Morgan
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2009, 05:20:40 PM »
You are not letting any of them down because it's quite obvious that u are desperately looking for a solution so put that thought and the guilt right out ur head!!!!

Im so sorry for the situation that you are in, but you can and will find the answer thats best for Barney and ur other dogs even if that means rehomeing him.....which in the end will no doubt be alot harder for you than it will be for him, so please dont stress yourself any more.

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Re: Barney is attacking Morgan
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2009, 10:15:20 PM »
It's time to update everyone with what has been happening here.

As you know I was at my whits end having tried everything that I could. The situation as it was did neither Barney, Morgan, Sapphi, Max or myself any good. I'd considered all the responses I received and did some soul searching on what the best solution was for all of them, I wasn't important in this. I have had the worst two weeks of my life.   :'(

Jo (joanne_v) contacted me to offer a foster home for Barney with her parents who have previously fostered for Springer Rescue Scotland who Jo is involved with.  Jo's parents have owned Cocker's and are very experienced with them, something that was vitally important for me. Plus of course Jo herself would be on hand to assist with any issues.

I went away and did an awful lot of thinking, spoke to everyone who knows Barney well and the situation we are in. I spoke to  my vet and she confirmed that my thoughts about him needing to be an only dog and with a man in his life were right. They agreed that his stress since I split my husband is what is still affecting him a lot.
The vet said that she saw rehoming him as the best thing for everyone concerned and a "win win situation for everyone". She's been trying to help Barney for a number of months and we'd not got anywhere. She also said "you just said that you thought what would Barney want for a life if he could tell me and you've thought honestly what that would be. That just shows how much you love dogs, that you'd put him first before any feelings you have". I found that very comforting. The vet was also very concerned that Morgan could well become aggressive as the best form of defence. She also said that although he'd not attacked Sapphi and Max they would be keeping one eye on him watching their backs.

I decided that ultimately for Barney's sake I had to give him the best chance to be happy. So I spoke with Jo and we spent last week talking about everything. We made arrangements for Barney to go to her parents.

That was last week and I have been completely heartbroken at the thought of him leaving.  :'( I completely fell apart and I couldn't do anything last week. My dogs are my life, I run my life around them and they are always my first priority. I couldn't sleep at all and I was just beside myself, I still am. During all this time Barney was continuing to attack Morgan.  :'(

Morgan has become very jumpy in the last few weeks.  :'( Then last Friday he messed inside in the lounge which is unlike him. He walks as he poo's so there were 21 different places to clear up poo from.  ph34r I was in agony when I'd finished clearing it up. He had been attacked the day before. He had messed inside the previous week though not as bad and when I worked it out he'd been attacked the day before that time. So he was obviously becoming distressed by it.  :'(

Nicola very kindly offered to come for him. :luv: I'm really limited as to how far I can travel. She came and collected him on Monday.  :'( :'(

The night before she came I was awake all night and I felt so sick. I ended up cleaning the house all night otherwise I would have just sat and cried all night and the dogs were already unsettled by how I'd been.

My heart broken when Nicola came and got him, it was the hardest thing I have ever had to do in my life.  :'( Far far harder than when I split up with my husband......honestly.  :-\

It is so quiet here it just feels wrong. Barney always made more noise than the other three put together.  ::) :luv:

I've waited to post this because I just couldn't bring myself to do it. Today I feel a little bit easier, I can't say happy.

Barney on the other hand is having a whale of a time! Nic said he was as good as gold on the journey up.  :angel: I'm getting regular texts and PMs from Jo letting me know all about what he's doing and I know from what she's telling me he's doing......all those little traits when he's full of himself.....that he's absolutely fine.  :luv:

I cannot thank Jo enough for coming to our rescue. :luv: I would never have let Barney go to somewhere that I didn't have confidence in and as I said before I could only let him go to experienced Cocker owners. Jo's mum is one of only a few people that can handle Jo's Lily, who shares a lot of Barney's issues, and that really reassured me.

And Nic, thank you so much for coming all the way down here just to help me out.  :luv: I can never thank you enough.

I'd also like to really thank Rhona W and Jann for getting me through this. They've spent their evenings picking me up.  :luv:

I'd also like to thank Fifer who also offered to help find a short term foster home for Barney.  :luv:

This forum is a very special place.  :luv:


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Re: Barney is attacking Morgan - UPDATED WITH NEWS
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2009, 10:29:33 PM »
Aaaw Sam, what a heartbreaking decision to make  :'(  But you know, as many of us thought when you posted about the problems you were having with Barney attacking Morgan, that the best long term solution would be to find somewhere for Barney that would suit him better at this stage in his life  :-\  I know how much your dogs mean to you and how hard it must have been but well done for putting your dogs first.  :luv: 

Jo is an angel for all the stuff she does to help the rescue - I know you have found someone who will do everything to make sure that Barney has the best possible future he can  :luv:  What a star Nic is as well to come down and collect your boy.  :luv: Hard as it must have been to part with your lovely Barney, it must have given you some comfort to know that he was going to people who understand the breed and will work hard to find a way to accommodate his issues  :-\  Don't worry about Barney, I am sure he will be fine and, as you say, having a great time - he will enjoy being centre of attention I am sure  ::) The situation was obviously very stressful for him too  :-\

How are the other doggies doing now?  I know you say it is quiet but your house must be a lot less stressful now without having to worry about when the next incident is going to be  :-\

Look after yourself Sam and give it time - you have done a selfless thing for the benefit of all your dogs and yourself.  Hopefully you will be able to relax a bit and see things more clearly with a more peaceful household.   :D

Sending you big hugs from here and lots of positive vibes to keep strong to get you through this. :bigarmhug:
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Re: Barney is attacking Morgan - UPDATED WITH NEWS
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2009, 10:35:12 PM »

So sorry it came to this, but you have done what only the most caring and dedicated owners can do, and that is to put his needs above your own.

I can only imagine how hard it is for you right now, but in time you will be able to take comfort from knowing you have given Barney the chance to lead the life he truly needs...  :luv:
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Re: Barney is attacking Morgan - UPDATED WITH NEWS
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2009, 10:37:56 PM »
Oh Sam :'(

I spoke to Nic on her way back with Barney and my heart broke for you - what a terrible decision to make, and how brave and selfless you are :bigarmhug:

Jo will make sure Barney is happy and I know you know that - it will take time for your heart to heal so please be gentle with yourself and know that we are ALL here for you

Thinking of you  :luv: :luv: :-*
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Re: Barney is attacking Morgan - UPDATED WITH NEWS
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2009, 10:42:56 PM »
Whoo, that update made me very emotional.  You are amazing, lots of people would have gone on and on in a never ending cycle, you put Barney and Morgans needs before your own and made what i can only imagine would be a heart-breaking decision that I hope I never have to make, but pray that if i ever had to that i'd be as brave and selfless as you have proven yourself to be. Take care of yourself  :-*
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Re: Barney is attacking Morgan - UPDATED WITH NEWS
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2009, 10:45:02 PM »
I am so sorry to hear this, I can't even begin to imagine what you are going through :'(. I don't know what to say other than I think you have made an incredibly brave decision :-*. I am thinking of you (((((hugs)))))

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