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Cocker Specific Discussion => Behaviour & Training => Topic started by: alfie1 on February 23, 2008, 12:02:28 PM
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last night our cocker alfie was eating his dinner, my 4 year old went to put something in the bin and as she walked past him she patted his head then touched his bowl, since having alfie we have encouraged her to help feed him, so he was ok with her touching bowl, but as she did it last night he growled at her, i went into where he was eating and went to take his bowl of him to tell him of for growling, and i thought he was going to bite me, he growled and went for my hand, why did he do this? he has never done this, im worried he is going to keep doing this :-\
he has never done this before but recently he has started nipping again please help
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He isn't teething is he? That might explain the nipping. I am sure someone else will be along to help with the bowl problem but I really don't do things like stroke Kali or touch her bowl when she eats. I am sure she doesn't like it any more than I would if someone patted my head or stuck their hand in my chips when I was at dinner :-\
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IMO, Alfie did really well to maintain his self control, you should be proud of him and yourselves for training him so well :D
It really isn't advisable to touch or interfere with a dog when he is eating; and when your daughter touched him, he was restrained enough not to snap or bite, but to give her a warning growl to tell her he wasn't happy with that. Unfortunately, his warning was ignored and you went towards his bowl with the intention of taking it away, so he felt that he had no choice but to give escalate his behaviour and give you a warning snap (if he had wanted to bite, he would have done). Dogs are "hard wired" to protect their food source........it is reaction that they don't even think about in most cases ;)
Rather than punish Alfie for growling, which is a dangerous thing to do and can result in a dog that bites without warning, I would begin to teach your daughter that under no circumstances should Alfie or his food be touched will he is eating....let him get on with his dinner in peace ;)
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So sorry this has happened.
I'm no expert but I, personally, wouldn't take his bowl away and tell him off for growling. I don't know Alfie's background or age so can't really comment any more but I know with my 2yr old I never enter into a confrontational situation with him and if he growls take this as a positive thing because he's warning before biting rather than just lashing out.
If he is getting possessive over his food bowl perhaps try sitting on the floor with him with the bowl between you and put little bits of food into it at a time making him sit before you put the next piece in.
Sorry I can't be more help.
I typed this at the same time as Cob-Web
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thank you for the replies, think i got a fright as he has never ever growled, and like i said when i went for his bowl he snapped, im too scared to feed him tonight now incase when his dinner is done and i go for bowl he does the same, he is 10months old
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Totally agree with the above posts, yes get your daughter to help feed him but once he has the food it is his and she shouldn't go near and neither should you, apart from if you want to add more food to the bowl, for example when Callie is eating we tell her to move verbally (never by physically movng her) and when she takes her head away from the dish and sits we add something tasty in there this means if we need to take it off her for any reason we have this command which she is quite happy to do as it means she gets yummy extras.
When feeding him tonight do it as normal, often these situations can be one offs you never know he could well be teething or just grumpy lol. Wait until he has walked away from the bowl (a sign he is finished) and is doing something else to pick it up or if you are really worried leave the bowl until he has left the room.
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thank you for the replies, think i got a fright as he has never ever growled, and like i said when i went for his bowl he snapped, im too scared to feed him tonight now incase when his dinner is done and i go for bowl he does the same, he is 10months old
Try teaching him to sit and wait for his dinner - it is a good exercise for any dog ;)
Pop him on a lead, or get a second paid of hands, and make him sit and wait while you put the food down and then release him to eat. When he has finished, call him away from the bowl and get him to sit and wait before you remove his bowl ;)
Don't be scared of a growl - it is a normal part of dog communication and not an indication of aggressive dog; and cockers are more vocal than many ;)
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thank you for the replies, think i got a fright as he has never ever growled, and like i said when i went for his bowl he snapped, im too scared to feed him tonight now incase when his dinner is done and i go for bowl he does the same, he is 10months old
Try teaching him to sit and wait for his dinner - it is a good exercise for any dog ;)
Pop him on a lead, or get a second paid of hands, and make him sit and wait while you put the food down and then release him to eat. When he has finished, call him away from the bowl and get him to sit and wait before you remove his bowl ;)
Don't be scared of a growl - it is a normal part of dog communication and not an indication of aggressive dog; and cockers are more vocal than many ;)
wel already make him sit and wait whilst im placing his food and bowl, he does listen when being told to wait......
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thank you for the replies, think i got a fright as he has never ever growled, and like i said when i went for his bowl he snapped, im too scared to feed him tonight now incase when his dinner is done and i go for bowl he does the same, he is 10months old
Try teaching him to sit and wait for his dinner - it is a good exercise for any dog ;)
Pop him on a lead, or get a second paid of hands, and make him sit and wait while you put the food down and then release him to eat. When he has finished, call him away from the bowl and get him to sit and wait before you remove his bowl ;)
Don't be scared of a growl - it is a normal part of dog communication and not an indication of aggressive dog; and cockers are more vocal than many ;)
wel already make him sit and wait whilst im placing his food and bowl, he does listen when being told to wait......
Excellent - it should be fairly easy to add the same routine to the end of dinner, too, so you can pick up his bowl ;)
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Agree with all of the above...once our dogs bowls are down we leave them to it...if we want to add anything to the bowls we call the dogs name so they look up ,make them sit and put extras in...i have always done this as soon as we got them as pups..they get used to you being near them when they eat and they know there is always extra goodies to go in there bowls if you are around....
and like Cobweb they are taught to sit and wait until there bowls are down and are given a command "go eat" before they are allowed to eat...to me its good manners :D
i would never take there bowls from them when eating ..i think it makes the situation worse as the dog now thinks it has a reason to guard
if you are worried about taking an empty bowl away.. call him with the offer of a tasty treat..im sure he will think its a fair swop
I'm sure its just a one off and if handled the right way it will probably never happen again ;)
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I agree with everything that has been posted. Just wanted to add that when he growled at you, you need to look at it from his point of view. When you went to take his bowl away (and sounds like he was still eating) you were angry or upset with him, and even if you didn't do anything that you percieve as threatening you were giving off an angry/upset vibe that dogs can pick up on so readily, so he felt he had to act in self defense.
Don't be afraid to feed him, do as you are doing and have him sit before being served, then put down his bowl and leave him to eat in peace. If he feels he can eat in peace and no one will bother him he will not feel the need to be so defensive about his food. Don't take up the empty bowl until he shows that he has clearly lost interest in it.
And get yourself a copy of "Mine!" by Jean Donaldson (you can get it from Amazon) ;)
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Please try not to be scared of him. If he realizes that you are he might behave in another manner to what you have been used to. Be confident and stick to your rules. He'll appreciate this. I know it's scary, especially with your little one. ;)
K x
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Completely agree with all the advice you have been given. It's a complete shock when this happens, I have been in a very similar situation with Billy. It's easier said than done not to be frightened, but you really need to try and remain confident around him otherwise he'll pick up on the tension. I've walked past Billy many many times with my heart in my mouth so I know how you feel. Try giving him lots of space whilst he is eating, he may then start to relax a little.
Your confidence has been knocked so it's only natural to feel the way you do. You will feel better in a few days ;)
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I don't take up Billys bowl until I'm washing up, it stays there on the floor empty. Once it's empty he has no interest in it at all.
I taught billy a "back" command, using the clicker ( Very very easy to teach) and if he is eating and i want to add something to his bowl, rather than just sticking my hand in I say "back" , once he is a comfortable position away from his bowl , I put the food in, once my hand is out of the way I say "take it". I'm probably 90% certain he wouldn't bite anyway , but this method is much safer and makes us both happier as there are no "missunderstandings" !
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I tend not to touch hamish's bowl or touch him when he is eating. I just give him peace and space,
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I had this problem with Fred, and by using the advice of people on here he doesn't growl if i come near him when eating now (its very rare i do, as i tend to just leave him to it).
Its very good advice to add 'treat' food to his bowl as he's eating so he starts to think you coming near his bowl when eating = high value food. He's never been bothered about me going near his bowl if it hasn't got food in it.
Its a very scary thing when your puppy growls (even more so when you have kids) but like everyone else has said, it was his way of warning you of his being uncomfortable, so well done Hamish x
Start off slow and I'm sure it'll all work out OK.
Steely x
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I totally agree with all that's been said, I really hope this doesn't sound harsh, but it really amazes me that people think dogs should be ok with people playing with their food or touching them while they're eating - if your dog walked up to your dinner plate and stuck his paw on it... you get my drift :D
I've never had a problem with dogs and feeding. IMO it's best to be completely relaxed about it and make sure that they are left in peace once the bowl is down and you've given the 'go ahead' command. I have a small child too and when he was younger the dog was fed in a different room and now my son is 5 he's under strict instructions to leave them both well alone when they are feeding - it just avoids any potential conflict or problem and isn't hard work. My current pup (now 9 months) did show signs of being a bit worried when he had food (eating quickly and checking around him etc) but with a consistent routine and calm non-intrusive environment when he's eating he's stopped that now.
My best advice is to respect your dog's space when he's eating as you'd expect him to respect yours. He's only a pup and learning about a lot of things at the moment - his reactions/behaviour patterns just now aren't necessarily the ones he will have when he's older so try not to worry too much about the odd unexpected/new reaction, more see it from his perspective and why he might have felt worried/stressed. Let him find his feet and learn to feel comfortable and unstressed with you all - in all situations and you'll have a happy relaxed dog.
Good luck!
Hannah xx