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Offline Becs

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« on: September 17, 2003, 12:33:26 AM »
Hi again everyone.  You might have read my previous message of about a month ago when I was looking for an older cocker to rehome.  Well I found him  really quickly (6 year old black boy called Harry), and things were great to start with, even with the fact that he is not house trained.  However, things are rapidly going peared shaped and my other half will not take it for much longer.

The main problem we are having is that he is quite aggressive.  He has a habit of picking things up from everywhere, no matter how much stuff we put out of reach, he always finds something to grab hold of.  Things like tea towels we just take off him by distracting him with a toy, but if it is food items, he goes nuts about.  He grabbed hold of a plastic carton of milk (we own a hotel) tonight.  Obviously we could not let him have it as the sides are quite sharp and he might cut himself.  My other half tried to get it off Harry and he turned round and bit him so hard there was blood everywhere (from Martyn, not Harry).  He also went nuts at a man while we were out walking the other day; it was only because Martyn was so quick to pull him back that he didn't take the mans hand off.  In mitigation, this bloke should not have tried to fuss a strange dog but he probably thought that Harry would be ok as his tail was wagging before he freaked out.  He has done this to a few other people as well now.

We don't know what kind of a family he came from (although they did admit he was living outside for 2 years) and he has had no training.  We had him castrated as he was 'worrying' my duvets, cusions and the cats (cats not liking that at all) but he was like this before the snip.  I know that it is early days with us all settling down and getting to know one another, but it would be nice to know that he may be trained/learn that this behaviour is not acceptable.

We want to keep him, but this is the 3rd time Martyn has been bitten and I've been bitten about 4 times now.  I don't want to be wary of him all the time.  Any ideas at all? :-                    

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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2003, 02:05:35 AM »
Hi Becs,

I'm so sorry to hear that you and Martyn got bitten by Harry!! :'( Must be feeling rather distraught!! :- I have no experience therefore I can't offer any advice, just hope some of our members will be able to help you. :-


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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2003, 02:11:41 AM »
Do you know of any good trainers in your area. I'm a great believer in 1-2-1 training, but then I'm lucky as the person I use is very good (and there are a lot of people out there who say they are trainers and aren't particularly good).
I had a problem with my cocker, even though she was very young, when she had pyoderma, which was quite painful around her mouth/jaw. The result was that she began to snap at me/bite me every time I touched her mouth. The trainer I had helped me work through it.

Alternatively, ask your vet about behaviourists (some have practitioners attached their practices).

Methods like TTouch are also very good for this sort of thing (http://www3.sympatico.ca/tilleyfarm/HomePage.html). They've also got a client day coming up in October whereby you can take your dogs along during their training week.                    
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2003, 10:34:45 AM »
I agree with Penny - this sort of aggression problem can't be resolved just by advice given on a message board, you need specialised help from an experienced trainer or behaviourist. If Harry has already bitten several times, then you need help asap - if he bites a stranger next time, the implications don't bear thinking about. Make sure any behaviourist/trainer you contact is experienced & a member of one of the professional bodies like the Association of Pet Behaviour Counsellors (http://www.apbc.org.uk/) or the Association of Pet Dog Trainers (http://www.apdt.co.uk/) APBC members have to be contacted via a referral from your vet but APDT members can be contacted directly.                    
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2003, 04:38:23 PM »
I have a friend with a black bitch that sounds very similar - they rescued it from someone they knew - she'd been living in a garden for the 1st 9 months of her life and had no training or socialising at all. They've had her for nearly 2 years now and she's fine 1 minute then snarling the next. I have begged her to take the time to get serious professional training help as I'm sure that's the only way to cope but they haven't! Instead they live life hoping she won't bite someone other than them ??? and she has to wear a muzzle when she goes out etc. She has got a bit better over time but she is unpredictable and I find that very scary! She'd quite happily kill my Tia if she got off her lead! I am sure there are people out there that can help you retrain him and I hope you find someone soon!!!                    
Kazza, Blue, Tia & Ollie xxx

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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2003, 01:29:56 AM »
:DHad a training session with a fab guy today.  He was firm but fair with Harry and saw him in action with Harry's attempts to savage strangers and his agression with food.  Gave us really good advice and some ideas as to why Harry is acting the way he does.  I know it is early days, but i feel better and more positive than i have since he came to live with us and have been putting his training to the test.  Responded well so far and we are all a bit happier.  Will keep you posted.

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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2003, 10:03:15 AM »
Well done Becs - keep it up and you'll have a lovely dog soon I'm sure!!                    
Kazza, Blue, Tia & Ollie xxx

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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2003, 10:34:44 AM »
Thats good news Becs....fingers crossed for you that things continue to improve...keep us posted  ;)

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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2003, 10:57:18 AM »
Thats good news Becs,  :) i hope Harry continues to


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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2003, 06:00:54 PM »
At least its a start and good on you for persisting and trying to help him. Poor mites like these end up being passed from pillar to post because some owners fall at the 1st hurdle (i.e. getting some help is just too much like hard work for some).                    
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2003, 08:20:56 AM »
Thats really good news Becs and I hope it continues :D

Poor Harry, you just don't know how he has been treated in the past to make hi behave this way so well done for trying to sort this out for him. ;)                    
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2003, 05:34:22 PM »
yeah - great news becs - I hope that Harry's behaviour continues to improve.
When I was younger, my parents bought a black cocker who was 10 months old from a really rough, dirty family who kept him outside.  Charlie was gorgous - but, we soon discovered he had an aggressive streak - especially towards men with ladders/in overalls and he was really nasty when he had his dinner...to the point when he used to even growl at himself ::).  Although in time, Charlie did mellow around us as he grew to trust in us - but he could never be fully trusted around people.  We never knew what happened during his first 10 months - but it wasn't a good start in life - He did go on to live for 14 years though...and is still loved and talked about even now! :)                    
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