'naturally docked tail'

[Jay06]

just wondering... spotted an an ad advertising cockers for sale stating, 'boy born with naturally docked tail'
have never heard of this, has anyone else and why does it happen? 

[Colin]

Natural bobtails occur in some breeds ( Australian Shepards, Corgis, Boxers etc) but I've not heard of it in Cockers - to be honest I'd be a bit suspicious of anything I read in a puppy sales ad. 

[daunting]

It could be possible that it just didn't develop properly before birth?!
If its the same ad i just found they have a girl too but only the boy has a 'docked' tail so would assume the girl has a full one.

[Colin]

It could be possible that it just didn't develop properly before birth?!
If its the same ad i just found they have a girl too but only the boy has a 'docked' tail so would assume the girl has a full one.

That sounds like the probable reason - a mutated gene causing shortened tail length.

[Kim]

I have seen a natural bobtail cocker, it came to be mated to one of my boys & produced a litter all with normal tails.

[bev6951]

I have seen a natural bobtail cocker, it came to be mated to one of my boys & produced a litter all with normal tails.

I have too, I posted a question on here a few months ago asking the same thing, some in the litter that I saw had long full tails some had short full tails and one little boy had a naturally docked tail.

[Annette]

Mmm, I am a bit suspicious of this sudden rash of naturally docked tails.

Does anyone else think it just might be breeders who thought they could have a go at docking them themselves and chickened out after one?

[Kim]

The bitch that came here was definitely a natural bob.
There was no bone in her appendage, just skin & gristle & it couldn't be wagged either  but she was a lovely girl with a fab temperament & had all the necessary healthchecks.

I can't believe that people would intentionally dock part of a litter, can't see the point. Tails are now accepted in the show world & I have to say I for one have got used to them far quicker than I thought I would!

[bev6951]

Mmm, I am a bit suspicious of this sudden rash of naturally docked tails.

Does anyone else think it just might be breeders who thought they could have a go at docking them themselves and chickened out after one?

yes it did cross my mind too, but for different reasons maybe if they have a few of both tailed and docked in the litter they might be able to sell them quicker. 
Would people really have a go themselves? 

[Annette]

I was talking to a lady recently who used to breed miniature schnauzers. She said that they had docked tails themselves.

[Cob-Web]

Would people really have a go themselves? 

Even though it had been illegal for years, many *breeders* were docking their own litters right up until the docking ban came in 

[*jean*]

Ive known a bitch to be over enthusiastic when cleaning a pup. she took part of the tail in one and in another she cleaned the unbilicus so well it split and had to be sutured as all the pups intestines started spilling out. same bitch different litters. also had it with ewes, one last year ate both her lambs tails.
 midwives have to be vigilant.( and shepherdesses and yes the lambing has started here now!! Aaaargh!)

[jann]

Ive known a bitch to be over enthusiastic when cleaning a pup. she took part of the tail in one and in another she cleaned the unbilicus so well it split and had to be sutured as all the pups intestines started spilling out. same bitch different litters. also had it with ewes, one last year ate both her lambs tails.
 midwives have to be vigilant.( and shepherdesses and yes the lambing has started here now!! Aaaargh!)

   Ooh Jean, I hope this means we'll soon be having  this year's lambing tales  diary ?      Can't wait 

[*jean*]

Ive known a bitch to be over enthusiastic when cleaning a pup. she took part of the tail in one and in another she cleaned the unbilicus so well it split and had to be sutured as all the pups intestines started spilling out. same bitch different litters. also had it with ewes, one last year ate both her lambs tails.
 midwives have to be vigilant.( and shepherdesses and yes the lambing has started here now!! Aaaargh!)

   Ooh Jean, I hope this means we'll soon be having  this year's lambing tales  diary ?      Can't wait 

Im sure it can be arranged!!

[bibathediva]

Someone i know has a show/worker cross puppy  which although hasnt a docked tail looks like it only has 2/3rds of a tail  ...it really is short and also has the shortest legs i have seen on a cocker