Breeders

[bibathediva]

Biba and Lola were from the same breeder and both were kennel reared....or a purpose built nursery ..they came to me well handled,socialised ,outgoing puppies ,it isnt a large breeding kennel...1-2 litters a year and all the health checks were in place.
they have both been fine so far 
but you need to be happy with what you see when visiting the pups 

[KellyS]

Two of my girls are kennel bred dogs and no problems... I wouldn't personally dismiss a good breeder because the dogs/puppies were kept in kennels, if they tick all of the other right boxes. Good luck

[Max X 2]

I wouldn't necessarily take the word of the breed club representative as indicative of reputable, as they may mean "top breeder" to mean successful in the show ring; occasionally, a blind eye is turned to some less ethical breeding practice 

Naturally there's always alot of chat about reputable breeder but who decides a breeder is "reputable"?
Is it not down to the individual to be happy with the breeder & the way they do things?  IMHO health checks are a high priority

[Cob-Web]

I wouldn't necessarily take the word of the breed club representative as indicative of reputable, as they may mean "top breeder" to mean successful in the show ring; occasionally, a blind eye is turned to some less ethical breeding practice 

Naturally there's always alot of chat about reputable breeder but who decides a breeder is "reputable"?
Is it not down to the individual to be happy with the breeder & the way they do things?  IMHO health checks are a high priority

I agree - which is what I meant really - just because the breed club says a breeder is "top" doesn't mean they meet an individuals expectations of a responsible breeder, and no-one should feel guilty for walking away if they are not happy 

[Gilly]

Wendi, I believe I spoke to you on the phone, and you're on a couple of waiting lists. I would wait for the litters to be born and hopefully your Black bitch will be in one of those litters 

[Tasha]

both mine were kennel bred and to be honest I don't think I would have another pup that started off in that manner.  Toilet training is non existant because they are used to crapping on the floor and in their bedding so learn few good habits from their parents for starters.  But I haven't had a problem with the human interaction part because i did all that myself when she came to me.  Living on a university campus makes it easier because there is access to so many different types of people but you can still do all of that yourself.

I think the person that you choose to breed your puppy is just as important as the puppy and their ethics themselves sometimes large scale breeders even those that are at the top of their game have lost the basic contact with the pups they are breeding so i think I'd rather go with someone who is successful but breeds rarely and has proven that they have the breed and the pups best interests at heart.  Does mean more research to find the right breeder and getting people to recommend theirs but its certainly worth it in the long run. 

[Nicola]

I got Rodaidh at 6 months and he was kennelled up until then, it hasn't been a problem at all but his breeder operates a different set up to the one you are referring to, it's on a smaller scale and he does pretty much all the looking after himself rather than lots of kennel maids. Rodaidh wasn't fully toilet trained when he came home but it only took a couple of weeks until he was 100% clean in the house and he wasn't afraid or nervous of household noises, cars or other people at all. I would definitely have another kennel dog again but only from a breeder which I trusted and was happy with.

I'm pretty sure I know which breeder you're talking about as I live about 10 minutes from them, and if it is this one then I meet a lot of their dogs around here and they generally seem like nice dogs although on speaking to the owners most of them do say they were rather taken aback when they first saw the set up at the breeder's place and do I know of one person (a very reputable working cocker breeder) who had a bad experience with an older dog from this place several years ago. From what I know and have heard if I was ever looking for a show type pup I would not go there, I would find a smaller hobby breeder. This place for me blurs the distinction between a good show breeder and a large scale commercial breeder too much.

[Gilly]

Nicola if you are talking about who you think you are I have to be honest and say they have got one of THE soundest particolour lines in Cockers. Also ALOT of Cockers go back to that Kennel. It is an old fashioned set-up, not a commercial breeder IMHO. There are what would appear to be perfect to the untrained eye breeders who register many more litters per annum 

[Nicola]

Nicola if you are talking about who you think you are I have to be honest and say they have got one of THE soundest particolour lines in Cockers. Also ALOT of Cockers go back to that Kennel.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with the actual dogs they breed or their bloodlines    I said the ones I've met (which is dozens around here) generally seem to be nice dogs, I was talking about the actual set up of the kennels and the sheer number of dogs they breed. Someone I know and trust and who knows far more about dogs and breeding than I do had a bad experience with a dog from there and that's not speculation, it's a fact. I wasn't meaning to start an argument though, if you want the details pm me and I'd be happy to tell you 

[Gilly]

Nicola, I wasn't starting an argument just stating facts about someone I know personally  This person has also embraced Optigen and FN testing and no dogs are used unless they are tested  Yes the set up is old fashioned but the dogs are quality and well looked after. Problems can crop up in any line but from my experience they are very few and far between from this line  I have recommended many people to this kennel and I have no hesitation in doing so.

[Jane S]

I'm a bit worried that the breeder can be fairly easily identified from this thread so will close it now, particularly as it's now moving away from general comments which were fair enough to more specific "allegations" which are definitely not ok for a public forum.