Why do breeders Endorse?

[Loudon]

On reading previous posts I have had my views on endorsements changed to some degree.

But firstly I must challenge the post that stated that responsible breeders put endorsements on all their pups. This appears to make the assertion that those breeders who don't  are not responsible breeders. This is fundamentally wrong as you may be able to produce anecdotal evidence to support this view but that is all. If a poor quality breeder puts endorsements on does this make him suddenly a responsible breeder? I think not.

There are many breeders who do not normally put endorsements on who are excellent breeders, taking every care in the breeding of healthy,sound, up to standard pups who are well socialised and offerred life long support and the option for the dog to be returned at any stage. A lot of these breeders will only have one or two carefully planned litters a year and can be truly described as hobby breeders.

As in the Accredited Breeder Scheme and those who put endorsements on their pups these are only pointers which any prospective buyer should consider but are not defining as to the decision as to what breeder you should buy your pup from.

On reading some posts I understand the concerns of breeders as to the future welfare of the pups and particularly the bitches getting into the wrong hands and so I would now support  breeding endorsements for pet quality pups. However, as a previous post has stated if you want to show and eventually breed from your bitch to retain a pup just how do you start?  You are completely in the hands of the breeder of the bitch and if he takes an umbrage to you and perhaps because of your success in the ring then just what can you do if they refuse to lift the endorsement?

[seaangler]

Surly if the pup had endorsment on in the first place..Why would you buy the pup..Knowing it has endorsments in place!!!!....That you could not breed from the pup....

[lindseyp]

Surly if the pup had endorsement on in the first place..Why would you buy the pup..Knowing it has endorsements in place!!!!....That you could not breed from the pup....

Pups are the breeders responsibility for 'life' Chris, not just until they're sold! - most good breeders also ask for a contract to be signed by the new owners stating that if their circumstances change & the dog has to be re homed, first port of call should be the original breeder. Endorsements are a breeders way of giving each pup protection from unscrupulous breeding or exportation abroad without their knowledge. Think you might find your Fieldie bitch may have the same too - personally I would find it odd if she didn't 
 

[Sharon]

I recently had a call from a lady looking for a pup, we had a long chat about cockers in general, I asked her if the pup was wanted as a 'pet only' she said yes, I then explained about the endorsements and boy did she change, got really nasty saying she could do what she wanted with HER pup after all she paid for it and it now belonged to her, I tried explaining the reasons why the endorsements were in place and her tone was getting nastier and nastier, so I said 'well it's obvious you DO want one for breeding' so wished her luck in finding her pup - but no way was she having one of mine.   

As Louise said - "People will say anything to get what they want"

[Jane S]

Think you might find your Fieldie bitch may have the same too - personally I would find it odd if she didn't 
 

I'd be surprised too, especially as the breeders are members of the ABS scheme which heavily promotes the use of contracts etc

[Neon]

On reading previous posts I have had my views on endorsements changed to some degree.

But firstly I must challenge the post that stated that responsible breeders put endorsements on all their pups. This appears to make the assertion that those breeders who don't  are not responsible breeders.

If you are referring to my first post on here, then I can only apologise for any misunderstanding it may have caused.  Absolutely in no way, shape or form was I inferring that just because a breeder does not impose endorsements, then that breeder is irresponsible.  My post was not meant to infer that at all.  All three of my cockers had no endorsements placed and they were from responsible, caring breeders.  As Sharon has said a few posts up, the endorsement she imposed prevented a potential buyer (who obviously lied to her by saying the puppy was for pet only) from probably using the dog as a breeding machine, so in my opinion, thank Heaven for that endorsement and the fact that Sharon refused to lift it.  My personal opinion only and in no way meant as any disrespect to breeders who don't impose endorsements.

Just as a little aside, my daughter bought a puppy (irish setter) from an Accredited Breeder who had imposed endorsements.  My daugher had no problem as Ruby was purely for a pet only.  However, upon Ruby's health check up from the vet, it was discovered that she had a hernia.  OK, so no real problem BUT the breeder told my daughter that she was sorry she had not pointed this out to her and that she should have done.  Point I am making here is, I guess, even those who are Accredited breeders/impose endorsements can be a bit naughty!!!

[Loudon]

On reading previous posts I have had my views on endorsements changed to some degree.

But firstly I must challenge the post that stated that responsible breeders put endorsements on all their pups. This appears to make the assertion that those breeders who don't  are not responsible breeders.

If you are referring to my first post on here, 

Hi Neon, that's cool. I'm always getting my posts misinterpreted anyway. 

I think because I have known the breeder of Lucy (I bred Poppy) for many years I have not had any endorsements on her or previous pups. Think that comes down to trust based on her knowledge of me and my family. I always take interest in Jane's posts and am flexible enough to change my views based on intelligent information. I can see where you guys are coming from. I would hate any pup to be misused. 

[Neon]

Loudon

No probs and thanks for understanding.

[ValF]

I  endorse all  mine  even the ones  im keeping then  when the  time is  right  I  will  lift  the  endrsments to have a litter for  something to carry on showing   with  this is  slightley off topic  but can show what  can happen five weeks  ago we had a  couple  come  use one of our  boys at stud  they seemed  to know the inns and outs  of  the time energy and hard work in haveing this once only litter, thier  girl was mated and came back to be scanned last weekend while scanning the lady said:do yu know anyone who would have my  girl and her pups I was like  ummmm  when, and  near fell on  floor when she said   oh  the pups will be about 10 days ive booked a holiday,well after i managed to   grit  my teeth and not blurt out what i  was about    to a  cha few  choice words were  said and she went away probably thinking  i was a mean bitch especially when i informed her if  i had known this at start  she would  never  have  got to use one of my boys in the  first place

[seaangler]

Valf
Let me get this right you endorse all your pups and the one you are keeping(and when the time is right you will lift the endorcement)...(on your own pup!!!!)Am i being thick or what..I can see the logic in the ones you have sold on .....But the one you are keeping Why would you have that one endorse Your own pup!!!

[bajoleth]

I am not sure Chris but I think you endorse the whole litter? I think thats the way it works but not completely sure, I will have to look that one up, but someone more knowledgable will correct me if I am wrong
ETA I have just looked on the KC website and its not clear, but I think you register each pup individually and have the choice whether to endorse, but if someone knows I would be intereseted in the answer?
I assume some breeders will endorse the pup they keep in case they sell it on at 6 mths if they ran it on for ? show potential but it didn't fulfill expectations ? Can a pup be endorsed after initial registration? If not then that would be the reason in my guess. Lifting of endorsements are easy if the breeder agrees so no hassle if you have bred your own pup

[Sharon]

You get the option which pups to endorse when registering them, there's a box to tick as to which endorsements you wish to place on each pup.

Providing the dog is still in your possession then yes you can endorse it later, but once the endorsement has been removed you can't put it back on again.

[Jane S]

Valf
Let me get this right you endorse all your pups and the one you are keeping(and when the time is right you will lift the endorcement)...(on your own pup!!!!)Am i being thick or what..I can see the logic in the ones you have sold on .....But the one you are keeping Why would you have that one endorse Your own pup!!!

Because you may not know exactly which pup you are keeping when you register the litter so you endorse them all. Also the pup you keep may turn out to have a fault or is not good enough to breed from after all - you can always put an endorsement on later but it's easier to endorse all puppies and lift when appropriate then to have to fiddle around placing endorsements later.

[bajoleth]

You get the option which pups to endorse when registering them, there's a box to tick as to which endorsements you wish to place on each pup.

Providing the dog is still in your possession then yes you can endorse it later, but once the endorsement has been removed you can't put it back on again.

Thanks 

[seaangler]

You get the option which pups to endorse when registering them, there's a box to tick as to which endorsements you wish to place on each pup.

Providing the dog is still in your possession then yes you can endorse it later, but once the endorsement has been removed you can't put it back on again.

Thanks  

Jane S.
And Another thanks from me to...Not we got that straight it makes sense