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Cocker Specific Discussion => Genetics & Breeding => Topic started by: AmandaA on September 16, 2005, 06:09:22 PM

Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: AmandaA on September 16, 2005, 06:09:22 PM: Hi ,
Can anyone tell me if you can buy a puppy that is kc, but you the new owner picks the name. <_< so when you send of to register the new puppy ie change of owner ship you pick the name you would like.
This is a new one on me as i thought you (the breeder) picked the names for your puppies when you first register them as a littler. I have spoke to someone who said they have family who have done this free with no extra charge.
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: louisamoss on September 16, 2005, 06:11:16 PM: I don't know the answer but I am interested to see if you can do this. :)
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: Pammy on September 16, 2005, 06:19:34 PM: Depends how soon you get with the breeder and the relationship etc you have with them. I picked my Buddy's name - had the breeder's affix but the rest was an agreed choice jointly made. But then I'd been working with the breeder so to speak for weeks before the mating let alone the birth. ;)

Some breeders follow naming conventions around the alphabet, films, cars etc etc and so have the KC names for their puppies all sirted and dont like to make any changes but many do.

Often puppies bought from one Affix that then go to another have their name changed to include the new affix. That's where you'll see "so and so so and so at so and so". The "at" suggests they've been bought into this other affix owners care ;) For example, if Gilly bought a puppy from Jane it might become Shenmore Beautiful at Glowstar. :D

If it's something you want to do then ask away.

hth
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: Gilly on September 16, 2005, 06:30:03 PM: I've let one of my new owners pick the KC name but I did have a theme so it had to be within that theme ;) but they did have quite a few names to pick from and the 1st and 2nd choice was theirs :)

As far as I'm aware you can't pick the name when you change ownership this has to be done at 1st registration and by the breeder. If you are in regular contact with the breeder it shouldn't be a problem. I would never register a puppy in an owners name before they picked it up as if they changed their mind at the last minute the puppy wouldn't legally be mine ;)
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: AmandaA on September 16, 2005, 06:30:33 PM: Thanks pammy,
The buyer said that his mother bought a cocker at 8 weeks old with kc papers but the pups name was blank so they picked his name. Do you know if this can be done.
Surely this is not possible as you must provide the KC with a name when registering your puppies.
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: Pammy on September 16, 2005, 06:48:16 PM: Don't think you can register with no name - how can there be a registration :blink:

This is definitaly KC we're talking about isn't it and not something like Pet Lovers Registration :blink: :o
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: Cob-Web on September 16, 2005, 06:56:42 PM: Molo's breeder had been issued names/certificates for all the pups in the litter; she had two dog certificates so we got to chose which of the names was given to Molo :) His litter were named after wines ,so we got to chose a wine we enjoyed :lol:
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: AmandaA on September 16, 2005, 07:04:32 PM: Hi Pammy
That's pretty much what we said but he insists that the dogs his relatives bought were KC registered and when doing the change of ownership they were also allowed to pick a name as it had been left blank.
Surely the only way to get the name you want is as everyone else is saying, you must be in contact with the breeder before registration.
The buyer picked up our litter details from the KC website, so obviously this meant our puppies had already been registered.
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: *juliet* on September 16, 2005, 07:05:20 PM: You can register your pup after you have brought it but you must have then parents kc name and number (i think). To register the puppy by the breeder you do have to supply two or three names. Well that is what i had to do someone else might tell you different.
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: AmandaA on September 16, 2005, 07:08:36 PM: Quote
Molo's breeder had been issued names/certificates for all the pups in the litter; she had two dog certificates so we got to chose which of the names was given to Molo :) His litter were named after wines ,so we got to chose a wine we enjoyed :lol:
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Hi Rachel
We did that on our last litter as we had 5 black bitches and we could allow the new owners to pick the one they wanted.
This is different however as the buyer insists that they were allowed to change or even pick the name with the change of ownership.
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: Cayley on September 16, 2005, 07:23:31 PM: The only way you could name your dog by the KC after you've bought it would be for the 'Obedience and Working Trials register', my collie Sammy is registered on this register as we compete in agility, his posh name is Splash of Colour :) .
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: Pammy on September 16, 2005, 08:24:24 PM: Amanda - looking at this I think the puppy has not been registered. The parents are and the registration application has been completed by the breeders with the parents details and they've now passed that on to the new owners for them to complete the registration. This does happen and is OK. The puppy won't have an affix unless the breeder has comlpeted that part and indeed the new owners can choose whatever name they want - within the KC rules.

It also means they have to pay for it :huh:

I remember doin g this many years ago for one of the Cairn Terriers my mum and dad had. She ended up never being registered as we couldn;t hink of a name that fitted in the rules :lol: But she was a much loved pet so the reg'n didn't matter. What mattered was her parentage which was excellent.
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: Jane S on September 16, 2005, 11:26:53 PM: I don't think I understand this? In the past, it was quite possible to register litters but leave the naming of individual puppies up to the new owners but this hasn't been allowed for nearly 20 years. Naming of puppies has to be done by the breeder now - ok they can ask new owners to choose names before they send off the paperwork but the KC don't send out blank registration documents for the owners to choose a name afterwards & new owners can't normally apply to have the name changed either. If the owners of this puppy do have something to fill in with their choice of name, then perhaps it's a letter from the breeder not an actual KC form. No way would any sensible breeder send off a partially completed litter registration form to each & every new owner for them to choose their own name unless as Pam says, it's a way of getting the owners to pay for the registration - very odd indeed :unsure:

Jane
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: AmandaA on September 17, 2005, 09:14:23 AM: Quote
I don't think I understand this? In the past, it was quite possible to register litters but leave the naming of individual puppies up to the new owners but this hasn't been allowed for nearly 20 years. Naming of puppies has to be done by the breeder now - ok they can ask new owners to choose names before they send off the paperwork but the KC don't send out blank registration documents for the owners to choose a name afterwards & new owners can't normally apply to have the name changed either. If the owners of this puppy do have something to fill in with their choice of name, then perhaps it's a letter from the breeder not an actual KC form. No way would any sensible breeder send off a partially completed litter registration form to each & every new owner for them to choose their own name unless as Pam says, it's a way of getting the owners to pay for the registration - very odd indeed :unsure:

Jane
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Hi Jane
We did try to put this across to them but to no avail.
They insist that their relatives were able to change the KC name with the change of ownership.
In our opinion, surely they should have known that these pups were registered as they gained our details from the puppy register on the KC website!
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: Jane S on September 17, 2005, 10:09:42 AM: Quote
We did try to put this across to them but to no avail.
They insist that their relatives were able to change the KC name with the change of ownership.
In our opinion, surely they should have known that these pups were registered as they gained our details from the puppy register on the KC website!
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Sometimes there's no telling people :lol: I can only guess it wasn't a KC reg pup they are actually talking about - some of the alternative registries use paperwork which looks remarkably like KC paperwork even down to the colour which no doubt does confuse some ;)

Jane
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: kookie on September 17, 2005, 05:07:37 PM: Years ago, when my mum bought us our 1st cocker, I think he was a Helenwood dog, we could choose the name, I know this as we called him Amber Laddie of Bryce. Because we got him from a lady who's surname was Bryce. And when my mum had her 1st litter, I think she could do this, but never since, she has had to pick all her pups names when she registered them.
I will watch this thread with interest.
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: Jane S on September 17, 2005, 05:23:59 PM: I think the KC must have stopped allowing owners to choose names after registration towards the end of the 80s. I know in one of our first litters (must have been 86 or 87), we registered one or two puppies without names & the owners were given pink forms to register their choice afterwards. Seems a long time ago now :)

Jane
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: Anita on September 17, 2005, 08:26:56 PM: We chose Libby's name as we were in contact with the breeder for sometime and were able to do it before she sent the papers off - also chose a wine theme!!!!
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: workingcockers on September 18, 2005, 12:22:10 PM: Quote
would never register a puppy in an owners name before they picked it up as if they changed their mind at the last minute the puppy wouldn't legally be mine ;)
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Dont wory Gilly - I had cause to test the KC on this a few years back on a very complicated theft issue (not a cocker) and its a bit like the DVLA paperwork for a car - having the paperwork in someones name does not mean legal ownership. I have this in writing from Caroline Kisko at the KC.

Until I have accepted payment and issued a receipt, then a pup still belongs to me no matter what owner name is on KC paperwork.
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: AmandaA on September 18, 2005, 10:00:46 PM: That's an excellent point we hadn't thought of Kirsten, thank you.
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: isla on September 29, 2005, 05:02:33 PM: Sorry I know this is a bit of an old thread but I was looking at Mac's pedigree the other night and asked why his KC name wasn't on the papers. Dad said that he got to pick the name and they used their KC name as a prefix. He also said he didn't have to pay for this?? This was only about 5 years ago... very strange.
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: Jane S on September 29, 2005, 05:33:15 PM: Perhaps your Dad means he chose Mac's name before the breeder sent off the litter registration form which would not be all that unusual. I have heard of some breeders supplying basic pedigree certificates when puppies are sold but not registering the litter officially until afterwards. Pedigree certificates are different to the official KC registration certificate - the KC name of the puppy always appears on the registration certificate but not necessarily on the pedigree (specially if the pup wasn't registered until later).

Jane
Title: Kc Pappers
Post by: sportsmonki on October 16, 2005, 10:57:02 PM: The only way I know of that this may have been possible...other than those already suggested is that there is a form (7?) where...in exceptional circumstances...you can apply to change the registered name of a dog. It has to be done within 3 months of the dog having been registered though.

sportsmonki