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Title: Liver and Tan??
Post by: crazyspaniels on February 02, 2008, 02:15:00 PM
my latest foster is liver and tan, he is fairly heavy set but not full show, is liver and tan a common show colour or working cocker?
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: crazyspaniels on February 02, 2008, 02:31:04 PM
think I may have discovered he's a worker, cos found liver and tan workers and they are chunkier than my lot
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Post by: Helen on February 02, 2008, 02:33:39 PM
now freya, how can we comment without a picture.... :luv:

purleese....need full details too  :shades:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: Jane S on February 02, 2008, 02:48:27 PM
Liver and tan isn't common in the show ring but it's quite common with some commercial breeding kennels who often mix show and working lines to get the colour. We definitely need a pic though :D
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: crazyspaniels on February 02, 2008, 04:27:26 PM
now freya, how can we comment without a picture.... :luv:

purleese....need full details too  :shades:

its a really sad story, he's only 5 months old and was sent to the vets to be PTS, he also spent 2 weeks in the vet hospital at 12 weeks old after suffering poisoning and nearly died and had a blood transfusion, cant put a pic up yet as he needs assessment etc and if anyone saw him they would want him in a heart beat - a very special boy
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: *Jay* on February 02, 2008, 04:31:11 PM
Oh how dreadful  :'(

A liver & tan show type has been on my wish list for years......maybe one day.
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: crazyspaniels on February 02, 2008, 04:33:10 PM
Oh how dreadful  :'(

A liver & tan show type has been on my wish list for years......maybe one day.

defo not show type, unfortunately a liver and tan worker has been on my wish list  ph34r ph34r Think Mr CS might kill me if I even suggested it  :shades:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: crazyspaniels on February 02, 2008, 04:34:15 PM
he looks like this cos the heavy ears distracted me, but the L/T boys seem to have heavy ears
(http://www.ukgundogs.org/Breeders/Breezybrook/Images/trouper.jpg)
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: Cazzie on February 02, 2008, 05:12:49 PM
Dont temp me Freya  :005: :005:  I think I may have to help you out here  :005: :005: :005:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: Helen on February 02, 2008, 05:22:09 PM
i have a full worker with heavy ears  :shades:   ::)  you should see the rubbish he gets in them...but i will not clip  :D

that's a really sad story - if I could persuade you-know-who I'd be driving up to see you in a heartbeat.  Are you SURE Mr CS won't give in - he likes that browny colour  ;)
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: crazyspaniels on February 02, 2008, 05:27:11 PM
Dont temp me Freya  :005: :005:  I think I may have to help you out here  :005: :005: :005:

well, if he has no major issues he might come up to you for some fun with Otter for a few weeks while we find the perfect home, you being my puppy foster home now  :lol:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: Cazzie on February 02, 2008, 05:30:13 PM
Dont temp me Freya  :005: :005:  I think I may have to help you out here  :005: :005: :005:

well, if he has no major issues he might come up to you for some fun with Otter for a few weeks while we find the perfect home, you being my puppy foster home now  :lol:

Whoohooooooooo Yipppppeeeeeeee  :005: :005:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: joanne_v on February 02, 2008, 05:36:51 PM
and if Cazzie isnt free you know where I am!!! He sounds gorgeous......
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Post by: crazyspaniels on February 02, 2008, 08:05:00 PM
and if Cazzie isnt free you know where I am!!! He sounds gorgeous......

you wouldnt be able to part with him, trust me  :luv:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: joanne_v on February 02, 2008, 08:10:08 PM
and if Cazzie isnt free you know where I am!!! He sounds gorgeous......
you wouldnt be able to part with him, trust me  :luv:

You cant say that and not send me a picture!!  ;)
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: cazza on February 03, 2008, 03:22:56 PM
Only just seen this

Sounds like the wee man has been thro a lot in his short months  :'(

Here's hoping it hasn't affected him too badly and he can find a good forever home soon (looking forward to seeing his pic once everything is sorted  :D )
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: spanielcrazy on February 03, 2008, 04:46:26 PM
Poor gorgeous baby!  :'(  So glad he's in good hands now!



Can we fight over who gets him?  :005: :lol: :luv:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: *Adele* on February 03, 2008, 05:38:53 PM
Chloe's breeders have liver and tan and had a litter full of them not long ago  :luv: If I remember rightly they were the first breeders to get the colour into Crufts! Gorgeous doggies!
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Post by: emilyjw on February 03, 2008, 06:43:10 PM
So have you noticed a group of COL members hanging around in bushes trying to get a looksie.. he sounds lovely, so glad he has a better life ahead of him  :luv:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: crazyspaniels on February 04, 2008, 11:25:57 AM
OK you lot, normal well adjusted poopie pic  :luv:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/crazyspaniel/oscar001-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: *Theresa* on February 04, 2008, 11:29:17 AM
OMG that pic just made me go weak at the knees, how can anyone not fall in love with that face  :luv: :luv: :luv:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: cazza on February 04, 2008, 11:29:56 AM
 :luv: :luv:  Look at that cute face  :luv:

Want to swap him for Braan or fern?  ph34r  or both  ph34r :005:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: Beth on February 04, 2008, 11:36:37 AM
oh my. :luv: :luv: :luv: Why on earth was he going to be pts? :o :'(
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Post by: Cazzie on February 04, 2008, 11:38:45 AM
Awwww he is a wee smasher  :luv: :luv: When is he coming  :005: :005:
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Post by: emilyjw on February 04, 2008, 11:49:38 AM
Ooh he is lovely, so glad he is going to be getting a better life now  :luv:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: hollyd443 on February 04, 2008, 11:53:54 AM
 :o  :o  :o How gorgeous is he!?!  :luv:

So have you noticed a group of COL members hanging around in bushes trying to get a looksie.. he sounds lovely, so glad he has a better life ahead of him  :luv:
- Doh! You saw me!  :005:  :005:  :005:

Hope he gets a 5 Star home very soon  :D
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: joanne_v on February 04, 2008, 12:09:14 PM
heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee  :luv: :luv: :luv:
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Post by: JenSam on February 04, 2008, 12:13:00 PM
Wow he is lovely!  If only I could fit another one in!   :luv: :luv:
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Post by: Helen on February 04, 2008, 12:15:32 PM
oh my  :luv: :luv: :luv: :luv:
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Post by: Kimberley on February 04, 2008, 02:27:48 PM
Oh what a sweetie  :luv:
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Post by: crazyspaniels on February 04, 2008, 02:36:28 PM
oh my. :luv: :luv: :luv: Why on earth was he going to be pts? :o :'(

he nipped, apparently  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: lolajays on February 04, 2008, 02:51:05 PM
Awwww he is adorable good luck to him in finding his forever home! 
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: crazyspaniels on February 04, 2008, 02:52:40 PM
Auntie Freya says I dont fit so I cant stay - I feel like a sardine  :005:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/crazyspaniel/oscar006.jpg)

She says that its OK to put cute pics of me on here now cos I might have a home in the pipelines - I dont want to live in a Pipeline, I like houses  :lol:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: Cazzie on February 04, 2008, 03:02:10 PM
 :005: :005: :005:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: lolajays on February 04, 2008, 03:02:33 PM
Auntie Freya says I dont fit so I cant stay - I feel like a sardine  :005:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/crazyspaniel/oscar006.jpg)

She says that its OK to put cute pics of me on here now cos I might have a home in the pipelines - I dont want to live in a Pipeline, I like houses  :lol:


LMAO   :005: :005: :005: :luv:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: cazza on February 04, 2008, 03:04:12 PM
 :luv:

Hope is a fantastic loving forever home  :D and I'm sure Auntie Freya won't let you live anywhere that is not as good as her place  :D
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: emilyjw on February 04, 2008, 03:22:18 PM
That is a great photo, I got the feeling he might not be hanging around..

I don't think I would want to live in a pipeline either, what your looking for is a nice warm house with people that love cocker spaniels...
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: Beth on February 04, 2008, 06:45:30 PM
oh my. :luv: :luv: :luv: Why on earth was he going to be pts? :o :'(

he nipped, apparently  >:( >:(

That's shocking, thank goodness he was rescued. :luv: :luv: :luv: I hope he stays a COL dog. :luv: Could look at his photo's all day. :005:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: joanne_v on February 04, 2008, 07:37:34 PM
oh my. :luv: :luv: :luv: Why on earth was he going to be pts? :o :'(

he nipped, apparently  >:( >:(

he's 5 months old is he not!!!!!  >:D
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: ClareB on February 04, 2008, 07:59:19 PM
What a gorgeous boy.  :luv:   Hope the home lined up for him works out. 
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: Elisa on February 04, 2008, 08:06:14 PM
oh my. :luv: :luv: :luv: Why on earth was he going to be pts? :o :'(

he nipped, apparently  >:( >:(

he's 5 months old is he not!!!!!  >:D

Exactly  >:(

He's a stunning lad  :luv:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: cazza on February 04, 2008, 10:12:00 PM
What a gorgeous boy.  :luv:   Hope the home lined up for him works out. 

It will do - she don't know it yet but it's either with her or ME  :005: :005:  (I wish)
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: emilyjw on February 05, 2008, 08:08:33 AM
What a gorgeous boy.  :luv:   Hope the home lined up for him works out. 

It will do - she don't know it yet but it's either with her or ME  :005: :005:  (I wish)

 :005:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: crazyspaniels on February 05, 2008, 08:59:32 AM
its a great home by the beach with one of the NESSR dogs, so we have a day trip to the beach today  :D taking the whole gang for a hoolie by the sea  :D
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: emilyjw on February 05, 2008, 09:05:26 AM
Hope you can manage to leave him there.

Good luck littl one and hope you all have a nice day  :D
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: crazyspaniels on February 05, 2008, 09:12:21 AM
Hope you can manage to leave him there.

thats why we are going up for a visit today cos if I left it any later in the week he wouldnt be going anywhere, they dont have kids and have had rescue cockers and working cockers for years so he will be in the perfect home.
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: cazza on February 05, 2008, 09:14:46 AM
Hope you can manage to leave him there.

thats why we are going up for a visit today cos if I left it any later in the week he wouldnt be going anywhere, they dont have kids and have had rescue cockers and working cockers for years so he will be in the perfect home.

Sounds ideal for the wee man  :D
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: emilyjw on February 05, 2008, 10:56:48 AM
sounds like a perfect home indeed  :luv:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: crazyspaniels on February 05, 2008, 05:54:43 PM
well good news is he loves his new home, bad news is I found out where he came from, our local puppy farm kennels are breeding liver and tan  >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: emilyjw on February 05, 2008, 06:00:34 PM
Glad he likes his new home but  >:D on the second point.
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: crazyspaniels on February 06, 2008, 03:12:12 PM
hmmmm, dont think he has settled in his new home, I might have to rush back and save him
What are you doing with that camera?
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa103/elaine_77/Dscf2154.jpg)

I'm still watching you!
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa103/elaine_77/Dscf2151.jpg)

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz .........
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa103/elaine_77/Dscf2164.jpg)
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: emilyjw on February 06, 2008, 03:50:15 PM
definitely looks like he is being 'mistreated' you best go straight up and get him back  :005:
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Post by: *Theresa* on February 06, 2008, 04:09:49 PM
Quick go get him, he looks like he's having a terrible time of it  :005: :005: :005: :luv:
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Post by: Beth on February 06, 2008, 04:47:04 PM
 :luv: :luv: :luv: :luv: :luv: :luv: :luv: oh those smooshy chops! :luv: :luv: :luv: :luv: :luv: I wannnnnnt him! :005:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: anita96 on February 06, 2008, 04:54:03 PM
He is lovely, my dad is looking to take on a rescue working cocker, he would love him :luv:

I know off topic but what is the best way to go about hearing about any rescues, I registered my dads details with Nessr are there any others, or is it just a cased of checking out the different websites.
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: cazza on February 06, 2008, 05:15:55 PM
AARRRGGGGHHHH  :'( :'(  sorry but it don't look like he is missing you  :shades:


 :luv: :luv:  It's great he has a fantastic new home - lovely pics  :D
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: crazyspaniels on February 06, 2008, 05:19:17 PM
He is lovely, my dad is looking to take on a rescue working cocker, he would love him :luv:

I know off topic but what is the best way to go about hearing about any rescues, I registered my dads details with Nessr are there any others, or is it just a cased of checking out the different websites.

the home he has gone to had been on the NESSR books waiting for a cocker, they were based in Scotland, about an hour from me, and so when the wee man came in we knew we had a home waiting. Make sure you watch the NESSR forum and keep in contact with your local coordinator (dont know where your dad is based?)
Has he spoken to Cocker rescue as they have a working cocker coordinator?
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: Cazzie on February 06, 2008, 05:48:09 PM
Isnt that terrific  :luv:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: Popsey on February 07, 2008, 04:00:17 PM
In the working strain the Liver is classed a chocolate.  So this little boy would be chocolate and tan.  Both parents have to carry the tan gene for it to appear in a litter.

The stud dog in the picture on page 1 of this post is called Breezybrook Trouper and he is such a lovely dog. 
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: LucyJ on February 07, 2008, 08:01:03 PM
In the working strain the Liver is classed a chocolate.  So this little boy would be chocolate and tan.



Sorry to go off topic, but I didn't realise this was the case - I always thought chocolate was a relatively recent term, used because it is fashionable and more saleable?  I'm no expert, but would be interested if someone who knows better than me could let me know.

Back on topic, what a gorgeous dog, he looks really comfortable in his new home  :luv:.
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: Cazzie on February 07, 2008, 08:03:11 PM
In the working strain the Liver is classed a chocolate.  So this little boy would be chocolate and tan.




I dont think so, I think its liver  :-\  Im sure the experts will confirm  :D
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: anita96 on February 07, 2008, 08:09:49 PM
I'm no expert but liver and tan for me although I have only recently been reeducated to that point!  what the hell they are lovely anyway.  However breezybrook troupers own breeder has him marked as chocolate and tan.
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: cazza on February 07, 2008, 08:13:23 PM
In the working strain the Liver is classed a chocolate.  So this little boy would be chocolate and tan.




I dont think so, I think its liver  :-\  Im sure the experts will confirm  :D

Yep I would agree   - Liver and tan
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: Cazzie on February 07, 2008, 08:21:00 PM
TBH it really doesnt matter though, choc, liver brown, beige, tan, mouse's back  :005: :005:
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: emilyjw on February 07, 2008, 08:33:29 PM
that good old liver or chocolate debate. I'm going for Nutella and caramel...
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Post by: Nicola on February 07, 2008, 08:38:08 PM
Definitely liver with any worker owners/breeders I've ever spoken to. Chocolate is a 'popular' term as it sounds nicer  ::)
Title: Re: Liver and Tan??
Post by: anita96 on February 07, 2008, 09:41:46 PM
I am liking Nutella and tan, but hate marmite and tan!!You either love it or hate it ph34r :005: