doesn't the colouring of the pads when they are born tell if they are roans or something??? or was I told a load of tripe 
Cayley mentioned this earlier in the thread 
"And whites" are born with totally pink pads and even when adult, some pink will remain on the pads of "and whites"/"and white tickeds" (you have to look hard for it sometimes on ticked dogs) Adult roans however will never have pink on their pads although when born, you will see some pink on the light roans to begin with which gradually disappears.
sorry I missed that bit
George does have little pink patches on his pads, but he has ticked legs and muzzle and is B/W.
ahh I was distracted by Happy dogs pic
So presumably breeders can use that to help determine what they register the dogs as.
The different interpretations of colours is really fascinating, I gather that some would have called Harmy a Liver roan. I have to say chocolate sounds nicer, but if I'd been told he was liver roan, I'd have accepted that.
