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Title: Over dose of meds
Post by: catcmartin on November 21, 2014, 01:15:48 PM
Hi all I have been so busy looking after Charlie my 15y/o cocker I havent been around for a while.  I really could use some advice for my boy.  He has arthritis in his back legs along with other serious health issues like a grade 6 heart murmur.  He attends the vet every 3 weeks for acupuncture and we have been struggling to find pain meds to help him all we have tried so far he has been unable to tolerate.  3 weeks ago I was given previcox 57mg to be given one and a half tabs per day so around 86mg give or take.  This week I began to notice some side affects I felt were enough for me to top giving then on Tuesday this week.  They turned him into a supersonic bunny dashing about all over the place unable to rest so I gave no more from then on.  On Tuesday he slept exhausted for 22 hours out of 24.  I stayed down stairs with him that night he was so exhausted he couldnt even get up to go out so I placed a puppy training pad under him and changed it when it was used.  I was sitting at 2am watching him sleep crying my eyes out trying to decide has he had enough and he is telling me it is time.  I had almost decided I would call my chosen vet the next morning and ask her to make the arrangements to come to the house and send my auld lad on his journey to the bridge.

The next morning Wednesday he was up and at it his normal self a bit unsteady from laying so long with his auld legs.  So that told me he wasnt ready.  No at tea time that night I went to give him his heart meds as usual,.    I have no idea why I did this but I stood in the kitchen with the previcox box in my hand looking at it when a light in my brain turned on.  The label said 57mg the box said 227mg.  My heart stopped.  I opened the box took out the strip and checked the tabs also said 227mg. OMG I could have killed him with that dose he wasgetting 340mg not 86mg for nearly 3 weeks.  Took charlie to the vets last night saw the vet who issued the prescription.  I showed her the packet but refused to allow it to leave my hands.  She said this isnt good, took a blood sample for a full blood test.  Charlie was so upset after getting blood taken I took him home to get him cleaned up and settled for a sleep to recover.  The senior partner called me last night saying that one of his levels was up and another down from last time didnt say which.  Then some bull about having called the manufacturer who said he could have been given 130mg without it causing an issue.  I kinda lost lost it and pointed out he had been getting 340mg for over 2 weeks.  I plan to give then a letter of complaint on Monday when we go back for acupuncture and another blood test. 

So I have the WE to plan my attack I am devastated for my lad he doesnt need this.  What if I had not found the over dose and I had went ahead and PTS my boy.  Has anyone ever made a complaint about this type of situation and is there a way I can find out how long it would take for kidney issues to show after an overdose of NSAIDS such as previcox.  Sorry this is soo long
Cathy
Cheeckie Charlie   
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: 8 Hairy Feet on November 21, 2014, 01:26:14 PM
OH Cathy I'm sorry I don;t know the answers
to your questions :huh: but I do know you are
upset (quite rightly so)
I'm sending you and cheeky Charlie :luv:  a
whole heap of love and kisses :-*
steff xxx
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: catcmartin on November 21, 2014, 01:50:21 PM
Thanks Steff I am devastated for my boy he has enough health issues and does not need this and potential kidney problems to be added.   
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: elaine.e on November 21, 2014, 02:21:52 PM
I'd be bl**dy furious if it happened to one of mine Cathy and I hope Charlie hasn't suffered any permanent damage.

Have you seen this from the Citizen's Advice Bureau?
http://bit.ly/11CBtWp (http://bit.ly/11CBtWp)
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: fiona2 on November 21, 2014, 03:03:00 PM
contact the royal veterinary college and put a complaint in I would be apoplectic with rage >:D >:D
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Poppsie on November 21, 2014, 03:55:48 PM
Flamin Nora Cathy  >:D I would have had your vet by his bleeping throat  >:D totaly agree with fiona2 call the vet college and get him strung up by his doodahs  >:D. give the gorguss Charlie a big  :-* from my girls x x x
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: PennyB on November 21, 2014, 04:06:28 PM
I would complain too (I've had similar problems re my pharmacy) - sounds like them not checking properly
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: catcmartin on November 21, 2014, 04:46:17 PM
Thanks all Yes Helen a friend of mine who does rescue sent me the same link.  Can someone tell me how this works.  Our vets type in the prescription into their system.  Someone in the practice prints out the label and dispenses the med, but who does that is it a vet nurse or a receptionist or are they supposed to have    a specifically trained person who dispenses any meds because I know the vet does not do that at our practice.

Cathy
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: PennyB on November 21, 2014, 05:05:13 PM
to be honest you are meant to trust your practice does the right thing

May be write to your practice to find out - then you have it in writing
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: catcmartin on November 21, 2014, 05:41:25 PM
Hi Penny yes I will be writing to the Senior partner over the WE I have told him to expect my letter on Monday which I will hand in when I am up there.
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: MIN on November 21, 2014, 06:37:55 PM
meds whether for animal or humans have to be checked and then counter signed by the person who put it together and then by the vet/ pharmacist
dont forget 2 copies of the letter and if possible photo copy of the meds label/ box  (  for your reference)
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: cdpops on November 21, 2014, 06:49:24 PM
OMG I too would be very angry. I looked up the advised dose and it is 5mg of tablet per kg of weight, once a day. If Charlie weighs 12 kg then the dose would be 75mg, so the dose he was getting was very high! I would ask for a copy of the test results and send them along with a letter explaining situation to RVC.
Are you insured? it may be worth ringing your insurance helpline for advice?
I have everything crossed that Charlie suffers no long term effects xx
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: catcmartin on November 21, 2014, 07:17:19 PM
Thanks cdpops yes he was getting one and a half tabs per day so that should have been getting around 86mg per day for 12.8kg.  I have kept the box and the rest of the tabs allowed the vet to take pictures but told them the box and tabs remain in my possession as proof this has happened.  I plan to ask for a copy of the test results on Monday I am insured yes and did think about calling them.  charlie is very tired legs weak and staggery but then he does have arthritis as well as spinal issues.  After what he has suffered this week I am going with the flow and if he wants to just sleep just making him comfortable and letting him sleep.  At least he is drinking well and his appetite is coming back   he just ate all his tea for the first time this week and also most of his breakfast today. 
Thanks Cathy




 
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Countrygirl on November 21, 2014, 07:49:29 PM
I am sorry I don't have any advice, but just wanted to say how dreadful this is and hope with all my heart that Charlie is alright.
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: annclare on November 22, 2014, 07:48:38 AM
Me too, feel so angry and upset that this has happened.
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: PennyB on November 22, 2014, 08:08:17 AM
Hi Penny yes I will be writing to the Senior partner over the WE I have told him to expect my letter on Monday which I will hand in when I am up there.

what I meant was to suggest you write to find out what their procedure is meant to be re dispensing as only your practice can tell you that (its re your question above about how things are checked as some may do it differently - when my own meds were twice incorrectly dispensed the pharmacist told me they were going to take a look at their dispensing procedures)
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Ben's mum on November 22, 2014, 10:15:29 AM
So sorry, hope Charlie is ok  :luv: :luv:
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Mudmagnets on November 22, 2014, 11:41:19 AM
So sorry for you and Charlie, hope there are long lasting effects and that the Vets own up to their mistake

 :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: julie1 on November 22, 2014, 12:19:16 PM
So sorry for you and Charlie, hope there are long lasting effects and that the Vets own up to their mistake

 :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:

It's very frightening  ph34r   I supose there is nothing to say that this couldn't happen to humans too;  or are they all double checked   :huh:  as I would have expected the vet's to be.
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: catcmartin on November 22, 2014, 12:42:39 PM
Thanks all Mudmagnets they cannot deny it it was me who found their error and the packet showing dose 57mg and was actually 227mg is in my safe keeping and will stay there.  Is it just me or would I expect the practice to show some level of concern and at least call me and ask how he is doing which apart from a call Thursday night after I took him home from the Senior partner who gave me a lot of old bull and said it should not have happened, never a word on how is Charlie after a week of hell. Maybe I am getting too old fashioned and expect some level of manners.  It is not as if he is worried about admitting liability being as I found their error and still have the evidence.

Cathy
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Mudmagnets on November 22, 2014, 01:51:00 PM
Thanks all Mudmagnets they cannot deny it it was me who found their error and the packet showing dose 57mg and was actually 227mg is in my safe keeping and will stay there.  Is it just me or would I expect the practice to show some level of concern and at least call me and ask how he is doing which apart from a call Thursday night after I took him home from the Senior partner who gave me a lot of old bull and said it should not have happened, never a word on how is Charlie after a week of hell. Maybe I am getting too old fashioned and expect some level of manners.  It is not as if he is worried about admitting liability being as I found their error and still have the evidence.

Cathy

Sorry Cathy, that should have read, hope there are NO long lasting effects. Yes I think you are right, the least they could have done is phone and ask how he is doing. Very good that you have the evidence safe.
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Ben's mum on November 22, 2014, 02:13:27 PM
I think they have treated you and Charlie appallingly, I would expect them to be falling over themselves to apologise and make sure Charlie is ok, I would be as upset about their response as I was about the over medication.   :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: MaggieR on November 22, 2014, 02:57:34 PM
Makes me so mad when I read things like this.  I hope you manage to get it resolved satisfactorily! 
Had something similar tho not as serious with Maggie a few months back.  She had to go in to be sedated for some investigation in her mouth, left her there in the morning and then went to pick her up in the afternoon.  Vet made up antibiotics for her and I thought it was odd that the dosage was so high.... had a look at the label and they had her down as 30kg!  She's 10kg.... on their system she was also showing as 30.... she was stood next to me - I said - DOES SHE LOOK 30kg????  He muttered something about not knowing how that happened - I mean the chart tracking her weight showed this massive hike - so it wasn't just looking at numbers!  Clearly they just don't look properly - I hate to think what the outcome would've been if they had got her weight wrong during the sedation :(
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: catcmartin on November 22, 2014, 04:41:27 PM
Thanks MaggieR I am so glad you also found their error before poor Maggie got her meds I so wish I could turn the clock back and wish I could have spotted this 3 weeks ago.  Charlie at 15 I think this may just have pushed him over the edge and isnt fighting back like he usually does, is sleeping a lot and not eating that well I have prepared a special tea for him tonight to tempt him.  There is only so much fighting an auld lad can do BUT he has surprised me a few times in recent weeks by appearing to go down then all of a sudden coming back fighting so I will continue to sleep down stairs with him and hope. 
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: ejp on November 22, 2014, 07:15:22 PM
I have no advice to offer, I am sorry that this has happened to you and Charlie.  I am very disappointed at the lack of concern shown by your vet.  Really hoping Charlie can come through this, sending healing vibes his way.  xx
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: catcmartin on November 22, 2014, 07:39:09 PM
Thanks ejp for your concern.  He is drinking a lot of water like never before which is a worry at least I have him eating well again.
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Deb H on November 23, 2014, 10:22:06 AM
Every set of fingers and paws crossed here. I really hope your vet takes responsibility for this horrendous error. Come on Charlie COL are willing you better.
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Archie bean on November 23, 2014, 11:40:03 AM
Im so sorry. What a horrible thing to have happened. I really hope Charlie gets well soon.  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:

Sadly I suspect that the lack of concern by your vet is a lagacy of the litigious world we now live in. Where once they would have held their hands up straight away and expressed normal, human, concern and apology, now they have to keep quiet in case any reaction is seen as an admission of guilt that could result in an expensive (both financially and in respect of possible loss of custom) lawsuit.  >:(
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: BobnDot on November 23, 2014, 03:01:04 PM
A terrible thing to have happened and I hope Charlie suffers no lasting effects.

I have to agree with Archie bean though about the reasons your vet may have for being somewhat stand-offish about the whole thing.

Most professional liability insurance policies are very strict on what can be said or done following a complaint in case of a possible claim. The general rule is to admit nothing and do nothing that may be seen as an acceptance of liability.

It doesn't do much to foster a good vet/client relationship but I suspect that your vet may have placed the matter in the hands of his insurers or gone to his professional body for advice.

I'd suggest contacting your own pet insurers for advice as there's the potential for a claim to be made against them as a result of your vet's error.

Bob.
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: catcmartin on November 23, 2014, 06:17:02 PM
Hi Bob thanks for the info I plan to give my insurance company a call tomorrow, and see how our visit for acupuncture goes tomorrow if I get any further contact with the Senior Partner when they do the blood test.  However I still plan to submit a letter  of complaint to the practice,  I wish I know their procedures for dispensing as the Vet prescribing got it right it was the actual dispensing and checks which failed my auld lad.   Thank dawg I held onto that packet of meds and refused to hand it over to them. 
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: ejp on November 23, 2014, 10:19:56 PM
I hope Charlie is getting back to normal again.  I  know you said he is drinking a lot, but hopefully that will help to flush out his system.  Gentle cuddle for this very special boy. x
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Helen on November 23, 2014, 11:29:45 PM
I can't believe I'm reading this - that is just horrendous!  I so hope Charlie has no lasting effects and yes, I'd be contacting the RCV and formalising a complaint  :-\
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: catcmartin on November 24, 2014, 01:24:05 PM
Hi Helen thats the plan I have today informed my insurance company and also contact Which of who I am a member for advice I am waiting for their lawyer to call me.  I have drafted up a letter to the Senior Partner which I will be handing in today and once I have legal advice a complaint to the RCVS will be next I just have to photograph the Manufacturers box along with Vet label to add to my complaint.  Charlie still drinking a lot but at least is eating some now and seems a bit brighter in himself thank dawg,
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Poppsie on November 24, 2014, 02:41:03 PM
Go get em girl so glad that Charlie is feeling better Cathy  :luv: x x x
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Mudmagnets on November 24, 2014, 03:15:32 PM
So pleased Charlie is feeling better, good luck with your complaint - hope you get satisfactory outcome.
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: catcmartin on November 24, 2014, 03:17:07 PM
I am gobsmacked I just got legal advice and the only claim I would have would be for the treatment apparently pain and suffering in animals does not count.  As the Insurance company paid for the treatment then I will have no claim unless I raise an action in the small claims court. I might just do that to see what that brings.  So they can do what they dam well please with no redress.  Still got CAB to speak too.
RCVS complaint will go in tomorrow.
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Mudmagnets on November 24, 2014, 03:24:10 PM
I am gobsmacked I just got legal advice and the only claim I would have would be for the treatment apparently pain and suffering in animals does not count.  As the Insurance company paid for the treatment then I will have no claim unless I raise an action in the small claims court. I might just do that to see what that brings.  So they can do what they dam well please with no redress.  Still got CAB to speak too.
RCVS complaint will go in tomorrow.

Oh that hardly seems fair does it - Charlie has been really unwell because of negligence and there is nothing you can do? Hope you get more helpful news from CAB.
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Patp on November 24, 2014, 03:51:41 PM
It does seem unfair.  I definitely think the RCVS is the way to go, the vets practice will cover its back on everything else and it will be difficult to prove that any resulting effects are due to having increased drug intake or just through old age.  At least they may get investigated through RCVS.

how about your local paper? 

Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: julie1 on November 24, 2014, 04:09:08 PM
Be careful with the local paper, don't get yourself into trouble. (slander)

But you must feel gutted.
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: catcmartin on November 24, 2014, 04:11:33 PM
Yes PatP I plan to call the RCVS tomorrow lodge my complaint and follow that up with an email containing the proof of the dosage he was dispensed by negligence
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Patp on November 24, 2014, 04:24:38 PM
Be careful with the local paper, don't get yourself into trouble. (slander)

But you must feel gutted.

Slander is only if you make a false statement I thought?  Couldnt the article be around concerns that our pets care and checks on prescribed medication falling below expectations?
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: ejp on November 24, 2014, 06:44:42 PM
I am saddened and shocked by that.  I think the RCVS is definitely the way to go.  Cuddles for Charlie  :luv:
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: MIN on November 24, 2014, 07:48:00 PM
def RCVS   just had a look at their web site and your vet has broken the Code of Professional Conduct. click on the Concerns tab and follow advice. The next pet might not be so lucky
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: honeysmun on November 24, 2014, 08:15:36 PM
Have been reading all the posts and I can't believe they will be able
to get away with this dreadful mistake,
I hope Charlie is on the mend,
everything crossed here for him and please give him big cuddles  :luv:
Do you have to stay with this vet? because I would never trust
them again. like Min said the next pet might not be so lucky
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: catcmartin on November 24, 2014, 08:32:45 PM
Hi honeysmum hubby and I have debated long and hard about moving Charlie to another Vet I even searched for any in Ayrshire who also have acupuncture as he needs that every 2 weeks.  Now if we move him we have to find a vet willing to take him and them knowing about a complaint being lodged with RCVS against our previous vet. Also if we move just now and they find that he does develop for instance liver issues 3 months from now we then get into who pays the new vet to treat liver disease as a result of the overdose.  So we have decided to stay where we are and be extra careful re meds.  Plus as the senior partner who is a big lump of a man so far has not had the balls to front up and face me and I was in the surgery for an hour tonight for acupuncture and another blood test, he was in because I asked the nurse and still he chose not to speak to me.  I think my being in and out with Charlie will have more of an impact on him than it will  me.    Typical Scottish Wumin I can bide my time I will see my day with him verbally and face to face.     
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Patp on November 24, 2014, 08:55:28 PM
Hi honeysmum hubby and I have debated long and hard about moving Charlie to another Vet I even searched for any in Ayrshire who also have acupuncture as he needs that every 2 weeks.  Now if we move him we have to find a vet willing to take him and them knowing about a complaint being lodged with RCVS against our previous vet. Also if we move just now and they find that he does develop for instance liver issues 3 months from now we then get into who pays the new vet to treat liver disease as a result of the overdose.  So we have decided to stay where we are and be extra careful re meds.  Plus as the senior partner who is a big lump of a man so far has not had the balls to front up and face me and I was in the surgery for an hour tonight for acupuncture and another blood test, he was in because I asked the nurse and still he chose not to speak to me.  I think my being in and out with Charlie will have more of an impact on him than it will  me.    Typical Scottish Wumin I can bide my time I will see my day with him verbally and face to face.     

 :clapping: :clapping:
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: ejp on November 24, 2014, 10:31:58 PM
Hi honeysmum hubby and I have debated long and hard about moving Charlie to another Vet I even searched for any in Ayrshire who also have acupuncture as he needs that every 2 weeks.  Now if we move him we have to find a vet willing to take him and them knowing about a complaint being lodged with RCVS against our previous vet. Also if we move just now and they find that he does develop for instance liver issues 3 months from now we then get into who pays the new vet to treat liver disease as a result of the overdose.  So we have decided to stay where we are and be extra careful re meds.  Plus as the senior partner who is a big lump of a man so far has not had the balls to front up and face me and I was in the surgery for an hour tonight for acupuncture and another blood test, he was in because I asked the nurse and still he chose not to speak to me.  I think my being in and out with Charlie will have more of an impact on him than it will  me.    Typical Scottish Wumin I can bide my time I will see my day with him verbally and face to face.     

Attagirl, you are spot on, he will be squirming when you are in the surgery.  It is also the best option for Charlie.   :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: honeysmun on November 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Hi honeysmum hubby and I have debated long and hard about moving Charlie to another Vet I even searched for any in Ayrshire who also have acupuncture as he needs that every 2 weeks.  Now if we move him we have to find a vet willing to take him and them knowing about a complaint being lodged with RCVS against our previous vet. Also if we move just now and they find that he does develop for instance liver issues 3 months from now we then get into who pays the new vet to treat liver disease as a result of the overdose.  So we have decided to stay where we are and be extra careful re meds.  Plus as the senior partner who is a big lump of a man so far has not had the balls to front up and face me and I was in the surgery for an hour tonight for acupuncture and another blood test, he was in because I asked the nurse and still he chose not to speak to me.  I think my being in and out with Charlie will have more of an impact on him than it will  me.    Typical Scottish Wumin I can bide my time I will see my day with him verbally and face to face.     

Attagirl, you are spot on, he will be squirming when you are in the surgery.  It is also the best option for Charlie.   :bigarmhug:

Thanks catmartin
As you have said he is spineless and the fact that he can't face you.
your day will come and when it does I wouldn't want to be in his shoes. ;)
Hope Charlie is feeling better today, More big hugs for him from me


Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: 8 Hairy Feet on November 26, 2014, 09:45:16 AM
Sending you and Charlie loads of love :-*
We are thinking about you guys all the time,
it's such a privilege to have an oldie in your
life :blink:
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: catcmartin on November 26, 2014, 03:48:48 PM
I thank you all.  Sorry for tardy reply been like a headless chicken looking after ma boy and trying to find out what I can do to cause this vet pain.  I have phoned and then submitted my complaint to RCVS including photographic evidence.  Called CAB who have passed my complaint on to Trading standards in case there have been other complaints I do not know about  :lol:

Charlie in himself is still sleeping a lot but seems fine in himself trying his luck with me which is good.  He has arthritis in his back legs and if he gets stuck somewhere squeaks to tell me he is and lift him onto his back legs, noticed last night he was squeaking with a cheeky grin for me to lift him when he wasn't actually stuck,  so thats ma boy.   He is eating much better and not drinking just as much.

I got a call last night from Senior partners wife who is also a vet and partner in the practice.  She called to give me the latest blood test results.  Maybe she thinks she got off lightly but I was giving her enough rope to hang them I found out a lot from the 2 below statements 
she made which got included into my evidence to RCVS
"they are all supposed to checks each others when dispensing"
"we are unable to find out who dispensed this as NO ONE is owning up to it"
SO no checks then, no audit trail , no initials on label or box as to who dispensed or who checked.  In other words no procedures.
I handed in my letter of complaint at the surgery on Monday still waiting for a reply.  I was asked if I wanted it posted or if I wanted the senior partner to visit the house.  I said post.  ( I cant trust my husband not to have him by the throat for hurting his best buddy.)
Keep you all up to date as things progress.
Cathy
 
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Mudmagnets on November 26, 2014, 05:30:55 PM
Sounds like you have a good action plan there, good luck with it all. Hope Charlie remains as well as possible.  :luv:
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Ben's mum on November 26, 2014, 07:05:23 PM
Sounds like you have a good action plan there, good luck with it all. Hope Charlie remains as well as possible.  :luv:

Couldn't have said it better.  Glad to hear Charlie is being cheeky a sure sign he is feeling better in himself  :luv:
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: cdpops on November 26, 2014, 07:43:40 PM
Keep checking in on this. Pleased Charlie seems ok. Good luck pursuing this with your vets
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: ejp on November 26, 2014, 08:02:24 PM
Just keep feeding out the rope, keep hubby more than arms reach away from the vet!  Delighted to hear that Charlie is shoving his luck, that is a really good sign  :luv: and yes, please keep updated when you can, really appreciate it. xx
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: BobnDot on November 26, 2014, 11:57:39 PM
I cant trust my husband not to have him by the throat for hurting his best buddy.
Cathy

Now there's a course of action I can readily identify with in this case  >:D

Maybe it should be reported to the SSPCA. An animal's wellbeing has been put at risk by professional incompetence  >:(   That's animal cruelty in my book.
Glad to hear that Charlie seems to be getting back to his usual self  :luv:

Bob.
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: honeysmun on November 27, 2014, 12:47:01 PM
Sounds like you have a good action plan there, good luck with it all. Hope Charlie remains as well as possible.  :luv:

Couldn't have said it better.  Glad to hear Charlie is being cheeky a sure sign he is feeling better in himself  :luv:

More cheeky grins please Charlie  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: big boy glad you are feeling better
Title: Re: Over dose of meds UPDATE page 4
Post by: catcmartin on December 04, 2014, 12:01:38 PM
Sorry for late update been up to my ears with Charlie who had his usual blandish tea on Tuesday night boiled chicken etc as he has most days with a small portion of easily digestible cesar dog food for oldies.  Well it went straight thru him over the next 24 hours.  I had to starve him for 18 hours.  I made up boiled white fish, rice and potato to give him later yesterday but couldnt as it was still going thru him from Tuesday plenty of water to keep him hydrated.  I have order Pro Kolin not arrived yet.  I gave him 2 spoons of white fish, rice and potato at 8 this morning so far still in him innards thank dawg.  It looks like post previcox I need to go even more bland than pre previcox.  Plan is to give him 2 spoons of the mix every 4 hours today see how we go.  My question is if I maintain him as bland as white fish or boiled chicken with rice and potato will he get enough nutrients from that or do I add a multi vit in as well, I do give him probiotics a spoon every day .  Over time once his tum has settled I will consider adding in a spoonful of the easy digestible dog food all being well.

I got a call from RCVS last night to discuss my complaint.  I got the feeling she was hoping I had calmed down and had let of steam,  answer nope not a chance I want this to go the distance.  I have just emailed them a copy of the reply I received from the practice as she requested.       I have been told that they are looking at one or 2 areas that the practice have failed in and my complaint will then go to a panel of 2 a vet and a lay person for the decision to be made on what happens next. 

Thanks for all your help he was quite bright this morning zonked out sleeping now
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: Poppsie on December 04, 2014, 08:52:13 PM
For you Cathy and Charlie boy   :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: x x x
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Post by: 8 Hairy Feet on December 05, 2014, 08:32:16 AM
Yes from us too... :bigarmhug:
No expert but i would guess at maintaining#
a bland diet would be ok until he's settled,
bless his little cocker paws :luv:
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Post by: catcmartin on December 06, 2014, 01:45:00 PM
Thanks all for the first time in nearly 2 weeks we have a solid poo hopefully the first of many he is eating all I put in front of him no treats at all
Maintaining 3 small meals per day no dog food I ma cooking for him myself until I know for sure his tum is settled. 
I went to the practice to day to get more paracetamol for Charlie there will be no more fancy pain meds that he cannot tolerate we plan to keep him on this it works and I know by his body language when he needs one.   Now the new bottle of tabs had been signed and checked by 2 people so that is new never had a prescription in a brown bottle signed and checked.  If my complaint stops this from ever happening to anyone else by forcing them to do this I will be a happy camper.  Of course they didnt tell me they were tightening up their procedures  but they knew I would check today, before  I would accept another prescription maybe the RCVS have had words. 

Cathy
 
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Post by: twiceover2 on December 06, 2014, 03:41:57 PM
Great to here he's doing well with eating again and good on you for not letting this go.  :D
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Post by: Mudmagnets on December 06, 2014, 03:56:18 PM
Glad to read he is eating again, bless him.

It is good that they are taking better precautions - but a big pity any dog had to suffer for them to wake their ideas up.

Hope Charlie continues to improve, and you get some satisfaction from your dealings with RCVS and your vet
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Post by: Jaysmumagain on December 08, 2014, 11:18:25 AM
So delighted to read about Charlie and his eating, hope his strength is building up.

 :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: to cheeky chappy Charlie
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Post by: honeysmun on December 08, 2014, 05:18:54 PM
So glad to see Charlie is on the mend, and getting his strength back
  :bigarmhug:  :bigarmhug:
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Post by: catcmartin on December 09, 2014, 03:52:30 PM
Well we have kinda hit a hiccough with charlies innards again.  At the mo on vets advice he is on  no food for 24 hours getting Pro Kolin twice per day so far so good.  To start feeding very small quantities of Chicken and potato tea time tonight when 24 hours are up. Keep going with Pro Kolin.  The tube they gave me was 15ml so only 5 X 3 issues in that.  Thank dawg I had bought the 30ml size myself.       To go back to vet again Thursday tea time and if no improvement in his innards another blood test to be done.  He aint a happy chappy no food and I know 2 tiny spoonfuls at tea time wont make him feel any better.   So hibernating for the next couple of days so far Pro Kolin is working and no noisy sounds coming from Charlies tummy.
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: honeysmun on December 10, 2014, 08:40:01 AM
Poor Charlie
please give him  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
from me
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Post by: 8 Hairy Feet on December 10, 2014, 09:48:52 AM
Oh Charlie you little lamb,
having a tough time darling...
we send you gentle squeezes :luv:
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Post by: ejp on December 10, 2014, 09:55:41 AM
Sending a gentle cuddle for Charlie and  :bigarmhug: for you too.
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Post by: Jan D on December 10, 2014, 05:50:19 PM
Hugs for you both  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
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Post by: cdpops on December 10, 2014, 05:58:32 PM
 :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: for Charlie and for you. Hope the 24 hours rest ha helped his tummy.
Title: Re: Over dose of meds
Post by: catcmartin on December 11, 2014, 01:17:56 PM
It is with heart break I know you will all understand, we took the decision this morning to let our darling boy go to the bridge.  This was the last battle we could not win, he told me it was time.  He left from his Mums arms in his own home.  The last words he heard were mine.





Patty bum bum my darling. 
Cathy
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Post by: Jessie_Pup on December 11, 2014, 01:20:58 PM
Oh I am so sorry . RIP Charlie Run free at the bridge without pain.  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:

Erica
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Post by: Pop-Star on December 11, 2014, 01:37:23 PM
I am so sorry :'(  Run free Charlie  :luv:
Thinking of you all at this very sad time  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
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Post by: Poppypuppy09 on December 11, 2014, 01:46:40 PM
I am so very sorry xxxx
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Post by: 8 Hairy Feet on December 11, 2014, 02:08:21 PM
oh gosh I'm so so sorry to read this :'(
Run FRee Cheeky Charlie :luv:
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Post by: ejp on December 11, 2014, 02:36:30 PM
I am so very sorry  :'( Run free Cheeky Charlie, loved forever.  :luv:
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Post by: Deb H on December 11, 2014, 02:36:55 PM
I am so very sorry to hear Charlie has gone to the bridge. You are in my thoughts sleep tight little man.
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Post by: DeeDee on December 11, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
So sorry to read about Charlie.  :'( :'(  You must be distraught. Run free at the Bridge, playing with all your new friends, forever young and healthy.  :luv: :luv:  Diana xx
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Post by: annclare on December 11, 2014, 03:05:28 PM
So very sorry to read this. You truly went the extra mile to give him a long and wonderful life and neither of you deserved what happened in his last few weeks. Nobody could have done more and just as you loved him with all your heart so he loved you with all of his being. No one on here will forget your final battle and hoped he would be with you for a little while longer. But he is at peace now; you will never forget him, just as I have never forgotten the eight cockers I have loved and lost  Still sad days ahead so look after yourself and I wish you brighter days ahead xx.
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Post by: Mudmagnets on December 11, 2014, 03:13:30 PM
So sorry to read your sad news  :luv: and a :bigarmhug: for you all
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Post by: Archie bean on December 11, 2014, 03:56:03 PM
I'm so sorry. Run free lovely Charlie.  :bigarmhug:
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Post by: MIN on December 11, 2014, 04:14:46 PM
I am sorry to hear this, in fact I am gutted.
 Although we may never meet other COL owners and their dogs, when we read their stories they become part of our lives and we share the hopes and heartbreak. There will be tears around "our world" again tonight.
Run free Charlie
 :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: for your mum
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Post by: twiceover2 on December 11, 2014, 04:33:11 PM
So sorry to hear this. xxxx
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Post by: LinziS on December 11, 2014, 04:33:27 PM
I am so sorry to hear this...my thoughts are with you all at this heartbreaking time.
Run free Charlie...sweet dreams xx
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Post by: dawn on December 11, 2014, 04:33:47 PM
It's so true what MIN has said. Hugs to you all  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:

Quote
Although we may never meet other COL owners and their dogs, when we read their stories they become part of our lives and we share the hopes and heartbreak. There will be tears around "our world" again tonight.
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Post by: honeysmun on December 11, 2014, 05:34:00 PM
So sorry to hear this sad news :'(
my thoughts are with you at this  time.
Run free and well again at the bridge Charlie with all your
doggie pals new and old.
 :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:  to you
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Post by: Olwen on December 11, 2014, 05:35:01 PM
Oh no, so sorry. What a horrible few weeks you've had.
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Post by: Poppsie on December 11, 2014, 05:57:03 PM
Oh Cathy I wasn't expecting to be reading this  :'( my heart goes out to you  :luv: you gave your boy your all and more  :'( may he now run free and whole again night night Charlie boy x x x


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Post by: Gillsy64 on December 11, 2014, 07:17:32 PM
So sorry to hear your sad news  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
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Post by: daydreams on December 11, 2014, 07:40:46 PM
have been following this post and hoping for the best,
so sorry to hear this news, take heart that you did everything you could for Charlie
take care of yourself,   :'(
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Post by: JackieT on December 11, 2014, 07:56:28 PM
So sorry to hear this. Thinking of you.  :bigarmhug:
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Post by: cindere528 on December 11, 2014, 08:17:57 PM
So very sorry  :'(
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Post by: Countrygirl on December 11, 2014, 09:14:53 PM
I am so very sorry, I know how much you will be hurting.

Run free Charlie, all well again now.
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Post by: Patp on December 11, 2014, 09:23:45 PM
Just so sad, run free Charlie as fast as the wind will carry you x :bigarmhug:
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Post by: BobnDot on December 11, 2014, 10:29:30 PM
So very sorry, but he's feeling better now, running free and looking forward to meeting up later on.  :bigarmhug:

Bob.
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Post by: Ben's mum on December 11, 2014, 11:15:51 PM
So very sorry  :'(
Sleep tight Charlie  :bigarmhug:
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Post by: jennycockerspaniel on December 11, 2014, 11:48:05 PM
Sorry to here this run free Charlie Sending my thoughts and prayers to you allxx
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Post by: MacTavish Boys on December 12, 2014, 09:38:32 AM
I am so sorry to hear this  :'( :'( thinking of you all at this very sad time :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
Run free at the Bridge Charlie, free from pain  :angel: :luv: :luv:
Stephanie, George and Hamish xxx
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Post by: Helen on December 12, 2014, 09:53:26 AM
So very very sorry Cathy  :'( :'(

thinking of you at this very sad time :bigarmhug:

Sleep tight little warrior - you battled so hard  :luv: :luv:
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Post by: julie1 on December 12, 2014, 12:08:49 PM
Oh dear, I'm so very very sorry  :'(
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Post by: fiona2 on December 12, 2014, 12:27:40 PM
I am so sorry to be reading this dreadfully sad news. Run free my little one. Big hugs to you :luv: :luv:
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Post by: JeffD on December 12, 2014, 01:00:11 PM
Gutted for you, run pain free pup
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Post by: cdpops on December 12, 2014, 05:38:33 PM
I am so so sorry, my thoughts are with you.
RIP brave Charlie  :luv:
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Post by: sue33 on December 12, 2014, 06:52:52 PM
So sorry for you x
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Post by: catcmartin on December 12, 2014, 07:07:42 PM
Thank you all I am just gutted right now for it to turn out this way but my boy just was not up to another fight.  I will pursue my complaint with RCVS to its conclusion and will let you all know what happens.

Cathy
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Post by: Joules on December 12, 2014, 07:31:40 PM
So so sorry to hear you have had to say goodbye to your lovely boy  :'( :'(

Sleep tight Charlie boy - and sending you some of these :bigarmhug:
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Post by: elaine.e on December 13, 2014, 02:43:59 PM
I'm so sorry.

Run free Charlie :luv:
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Post by: Saffaroo on December 13, 2014, 04:33:15 PM
So very sorry to hear this news - run free little one  :luv:
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Post by: Jaysmumagain on December 13, 2014, 09:15:44 PM
Run free sweet Charlie