Honey is Neutered and just under 1 year, she is approx 13kg. Not measured to her shoulder, such a fidget!
Alfie is neutered, just turned one, he is 18kg. Is has a waist and can feel his ribs, when he is wet he seems skinny but he most definately isnt. He is 18.5" to the shoulder and is a chunky boy, he does get nicknamed fat ass though, but he has very muscular back legs!
Alfie is a worker and honey is half work/half show. I think they all come in different shapes and sizes, but along as you can feel ribs and see a waist then thats perfect!