Special Beginners " Niggling question"

[Mybuddies]

I understand that its a class for owner, handler or exhibit not to of won a CC to enter into but ....

does it just apply to the breed you are entering or if you have a received a CC in another breed does this rule you out of special beginners altogether

Cant seem to find a definitive answer,  maybe Im looking in all the wrong places 

Anybody know ?

[Eve]

Seeing as how it is the dogs who are on show, I would think it applies to the dog.

[Michele]

Seeing as how it is the dogs who are on show, I would think it applies to the dog.

Usually yes, but this class is specific in its definition as Mybuddies has outlined. Have you looked on the Kennel Club website? If you can't find your answer there you could always give them a ring. Good question.

[Mybuddies]

thanks Michele,  I did email the kennel club but thus far no response,  I have since waded  through the " show regulations 2010 " booklet that I  presume club secretaries/commitees use to decide their classes
and found this -

Definition- Beginners- For owner handler or exhibit not having won a first prize at any show

also

If any class be provided with a definition other that those defined (above), the word " special" must precede the name of each class

therefore I can only conclude in this case it is open for wide interpretation and as long as the class is titled with " special" you enter by the schedule definition

On further study of some breed champ and open show schedules its appears the champ shows generally use the CC and the open shows use the first and some stipulate " in this breed"  as a definition of classes available to enter

So I think  that clears it up for me anyway and will go by the individual schedule definitions


Interestingly though ( whilst reading a bit more of the show regulations) if you were fortunate to win a "special beginners" class,  it would not class as a "win" or "first" because it is a special class and you would be able to enter a "special beginners" class again IYSWIM

[Michele]

thanks Michele,  I did email the kennel club but thus far no response,  I have since waded  through the " show regulations 2010 " booklet that I  presume club secretaries/commitees use to decide their classes
and found this -

Definition- Beginners- For owner handler or exhibit not having won a first prize at any show

also

If any class be provided with a definition other that those defined (above), the word " special" must precede the name of each class

therefore I can only conclude in this case it is open for wide interpretation and as long as the class is titled with " special" you enter by the schedule definition

On further study of some breed champ and open show schedules its appears the champ shows generally use the CC and the open shows use the first and some stipulate " in this breed"  as a definition of classes available to enter

So I think  that clears it up for me anyway and will go by the individual schedule definitions


Interestingly though ( whilst reading a bit more of the show regulations) if you were fortunate to win a "special beginners" class,  it would not class as a "win" or "first" because it is a special class and you would be able to enter a "special beginners" class again IYSWIM

Yes, thinking about it all the other classes are defined by your placing but not Sp. Beg.
One of those grey areas it would seem.