i had two working cockers and you are so right,when i spoke to the breeder he said,"I,VE had grown men in tears down the phone not knowing what to do with them,totally at their wits end trying to train them,lovely dogs,sadly one of them died at the age of two, :cry: the other was a chocolate pretty,little monster darcy,who the breeder wanted back ,and i let him have her,as he was going to work her much more than i would,,lovely girls,x