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Cocker Activities => Working => Topic started by: Millomite on December 12, 2006, 08:29:39 AM
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Just wondering what people with working cockers, i.e. ones that actually go shooting etc, do with their dogs, whether they are kenneled or are kept in the house
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inside.
and he can withstand the elements all day on a shoot and more.
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When my dad used to train and breed working labs they used to live outside in a kennel it was quite a good one though their was shelter for them which was always quite warm.
but stella who will be a working cocker lives inside with us and always will do as she is a family pet as well.
I think as long as the kennel is built well and it doesn't get to silly temperatures then its fine for them to be out their.
same with indoor dogs though we've also had working labs indoors and never had a problem with them on a long day out..
suppose its each to their own as long as the dog is ok I don't see a problem with either of the methods :blink:
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mine are both!!
they have a deluxe kennel and run fit for two elephants up at the croft which they are in if I am away for long spells and they also sleep in the house.
the run is grassed and I would like to concrete at least part of it as being hardy dogs they sit up on treestumps surveying the estate in all weathers and do get a bit wet and muddy. that is obviously their choice as they have a solid home built kennel with vetbed to sleep in and the big door is usually closed in winter with just the hatch open to keep it windproof. as long as they have decent shelter working spaniels do not fear the elements I can tell you. And they have less hair/coat to keep them warm. And we are well into the minuses during winters here and get feet of snow.
the run was previously owned by my sister and her deerhounds but when she bought a new house with purpose built kennels in the village she didn't need it any more. the collies.. well again kenneled when we are out, in when we are in. my sister does not kennel her working collie and neither does my mother they have always been house dogs as well as working dogs.
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I have always kept mine inside
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Fern isn't worked as much as we had intended and is mostly a pet, but all her working predecessors (GS pointer and four springers) were kept indoors. It simply isn't as safe here in the South to keep valuable dogs in kennels as perhaps it is :-\ in the more remote parts of the country.
That said, Fern's mother and several of her siblings are kenneled outside but are allowed in the house on frequent occasions. Fern was born outside in a barn. Despite not keeping her outside I have no doubt as to her ability to withstand a full working day in all weathers. She has a dual personality, she is a perfect pet at home, but once she is out there is no stopping her and she is straight into turbo charged full working mode. Keeping her indoors certainly hasn't made her soft.
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dog stealing is unheard of up here thank goodness but I dont think any stranger would sneal up on a keepers kennels the dogs would go crazy and alert the keeper who usually lives very close by. same with farm collies.
if I lived further south I might not be so happy to leave my dogs. it would be a brave soul who tried to steal pepper.. she would bite. liath would go willingly and rolo would hide.
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as other COLers will know mine were house dogs until recently when i got Scout now they live out and are very happy. They are allowed indoors for short periods through the day if they fancy it, but they like to be out in the garden most of the time.
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Both of them inside, much as I want to work them they are pets first and foremost. I just wouldn't see the point in having them if they were kept outside, I'd only see them on walks :'( I love having them in the house, Alfie's parents are both working dogs and both live inside as well, it hasn't affected their ability to work one bit. My two are certainly happy to be out and about in all weathers but equally they love to sprawl on the sofa with me in the evenings :D
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So - what happens, for example, if you move house - and don't have a kennel in your new garden - and the dogs have to live in the house for a while - are they house trained ? or if the dogs have to be rehomed for one reason or another ?
we get a lot of lurchers into rescue, that have lived out / in kennels (usually not the luxury of a kennel when we are talking about lurchers) - and housetraining can be tricky.....
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my three are essentially house dogs, fully housetrained but go to the croft when Im going to be away more than a couple of hours . they love it.. rabbits abound. And Im never ever moving . I would hate to leave rogart, I get homesick passing the mound.
keepers normally take their dogs with them when they move jobs.
my friend has successfully rehomed several spaniels who dont make it as gundogs for one reason ,or another she seems to housetrain them quite quickly so they fit into pet homes. they are usually quite young though.
I cant comment on folk that live in built up areas with a dog kennel.. I dont know any.
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So - what happens, for example, if you move house - and don't have a kennel in your new garden - and the dogs have to live in the house for a while - are they house trained ? or if the dogs have to be rehomed for one reason or another ?
we get a lot of lurchers into rescue, that have lived out / in kennels (usually not the luxury of a kennel when we are talking about lurchers) - and housetraining can be tricky.....
If I move house I buy a house with somewhere big enough for a kennel. No questions asked. Having room for the dogs is high priority, I wouldn't consider a house without room.
I can never see me rehoming a dog, for any reason, so that's not a problem for me personally.
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So - what happens, for example, if you move house - and don't have a kennel in your new garden - and the dogs have to live in the house for a while - are they house trained ? or if the dogs have to be rehomed for one reason or another ?
we get a lot of lurchers into rescue, that have lived out / in kennels (usually not the luxury of a kennel when we are talking about lurchers) - and housetraining can be tricky.....
If I move house I buy a house with somewhere big enough for a kennel. No questions asked. Having room for the dogs is high priority, I wouldn't consider a house without room.
I can never see me rehoming a dog, for any reason, so that's not a problem for me personally.
..and if not a kennel, there's always room for a couple of crates inside i'm sure ;)
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So - what happens, for example, if you move house - and don't have a kennel in your new garden - and the dogs have to live in the house for a while - are they house trained ? or if the dogs have to be rehomed for one reason or another ?
we get a lot of lurchers into rescue, that have lived out / in kennels (usually not the luxury of a kennel when we are talking about lurchers) - and housetraining can be tricky.....
If I move house I buy a house with somewhere big enough for a kennel. No questions asked. Having room for the dogs is high priority, I wouldn't consider a house without room.
I can never see me rehoming a dog, for any reason, so that's not a problem for me personally.
..and if not a kennel, there's always room for a couple of crates inside i'm sure ;)
Of course. Both my dogs are currently inside. My cocker pup will be in until she is around isx months old, my lab will be out when his new 6x4 foot kennel and 8x4 foot run arrives
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heres a pic of my dogs kennel and run, its so big because it was for deerhounds origionally hence the deerfence round it, Deerhonds can jump!
the kennel is different as the old one was too big and they would have been cold. you can see the door has a hatch which they pop in and out of so wind and rain doesn't get in. its 6ft by 4 ft. they can see all the activities on the croft so are not bored I leave toys etc in with them and in my opinion they enjoy it better than me leaving them in the house when I'm at work or away at the sheep, they always are with me any other times. its a winter pic so things are not at their most flattering.. to the left of them you can just make out the sheep fanks so they get to watch me lambing etc.. behind them just out of sight is my sisters duckpond and 16 indian runners, theres also hens pecking around, pheasants tease them ,there is so much for them to smell and see that they are greatly entertained. I suppose they are lucky dogs. def spolit!! :luv: ps they never poo or pee in their little house only outside. and usually in the same place i clean it all up after every visit so it stays clean.
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i141/jeanmurray/HPIM1598.jpg)
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If I move house I buy a house with somewhere big enough for a kennel. No questions asked. Having room for the dogs is high priority, I wouldn't consider a house without room.
I can never see me rehoming a dog, for any reason, so that's not a problem for me personally.
I am sure that many, many people who find themselves having to part with their pets for financial, medical or other reasons thought the same thing, until it happened to them :(
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Jean. Please excuse my ignorance but could you please explain what
sheep fanks
and 16 indian runners,
are? :huh:
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Oooh I know what Indian runners are they are a breed of duck :blink:
Sheep fanks a bit baffled there :-\
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So - what happens, for example, if you move house - and don't have a kennel in your new garden - and the dogs have to live in the house for a while - are they house trained ? or if the dogs have to be rehomed for one reason or another ?
we get a lot of lurchers into rescue, that have lived out / in kennels (usually not the luxury of a kennel when we are talking about lurchers) - and housetraining can be tricky.....
If I move house I buy a house with somewhere big enough for a kennel. No questions asked. Having room for the dogs is high priority, I wouldn't consider a house without room.
I can never see me rehoming a dog, for any reason, so that's not a problem for me personally.
..and if not a kennel, there's always room for a couple of crates inside i'm sure ;)
Of course. Both my dogs are currently inside. My cocker pup will be in until she is around isx months old, my lab will be out when his new 6x4 foot kennel and 8x4 foot run arrives
I have to agree with Scott and Helen
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Jean - your dogs' run and kennel looks fabulous - I am sure mine would love it !!!! I have nothing against dogs being kennelled for part of the day - but I do think when they aren't part of the household it is a great shame. Dogs "not allowed" inside don't benefit from family life like "inside" dogs do. On the other hand, I can imagine some dogs would prefer to be in a kennel and run than live inside with some families :005:
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Jean if I had a run like that for my two and I knew it was in an absolutely safe area they'd definitely be in it when I wasn't at home, they'd much prefer that to the house! :shades:
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As Nicola says, in a totally safe area it's fab - down here in the South East nowhere is safe :'( dogs are being stolen from locked kennels every day. I know of a Saluki that was stolen from inside the house - she was the only thing they took.... stolen to order. :'(
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I would be terrified if I lived down south... crossing a main road would be an adventure... my daughter lives in edinburgh and wants me to vist... erm.. not a chance she knows where i am and Ive got the spaniels!!! ( so she has to come as there is no way id take this lot to edinburgh.. they are very much country dogs.. no road sense, heavy traffic would spook them and Id have to lead walk them ...nightmare! :o Id be a maypole by the time they sniffed their way around the pavements..)
Basically I am not a crowds kind of person inverness is a no no specially on a sat. my dogs I love more than most humans and their best interests are always my 1st concern but I have to say I have loads, just loads of friends relations who have working dogs who live outdoors and the dogs are so well looked after and loved. look at my oh ..heartbroken when Don died, gibb the young collie has settled back into fort knox now but spends the evening at the fire or in weird positions and places like upside down watching tv.
its people like racing dog owners and puppy farmers and the like who gaily abandon working dogs or kenneled dogs when they are of no further use to them. >:D my freind has a greyhound with its ear cut off it was thrown out of a car on a motorway the ear removed to get rid of its tatoo. he now has a loving home and is a great pet but what he must have suffered.
if people up here... I cant comment on other places..have to give up a working dog due to ill health say, they would be very careful about who they gave it to. and remember a working collie is valuable they take years to train.. years... also if the dog itself is too old to work they are usually given a retirement..mostly all our dogs have lived to be old ,one collie was nearly 21 and he started out being outside and as he got stiffer with old age ended up in by the fire, he never messed in the house.
INDIAN RUNNERS are ducks with long necks they all cluster together and run in groups, my sister trials a sheepdog and uses them for practice instead of the sheep.
SHEEP FANKS ane lots of pens with connecting gates, a race ( long thin corridor) and a footbath so you can push the sheep from one field into the main pen push them through into smaller pens shut gates catch the one you want seperate it ..dose them or run them in a circle throgh the pens and through the footbath which has stuff in it to prevent footrot and then there is another gate which they all go out to the main field again. its useful at lambing and clipping and generally for running them through to check on them to ensure all is well. im going to look for a pic I took of gibb the outside collie ..in the house..
I know my dogs live in heaven.. I just wish all dogs could.
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gibb in heaven! :luv: he lay like that for hours then got too hot, and wanted back outside.
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i141/jeanmurray/08-12-06_2153.jpg)
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Jean. Are their any places for sale up your way, because we all want a little piece of heaven too? :luv:
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Jean I have no doubt that your dogs have the life of riley :luv: and its great to hear that everyone you know treats their dogs so well, whether they be working dogs or not. I wish everyone was like that.
And imagine, not having to train your dogs to walk on a lead :lol: lucky you !!!!
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Blimey Jean, sounds like doggy heaven! Can Coco come and stay for her holidays? :D
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well they do walk on leads ok, but if Ive got more than 3 dogs out its a bit confusing. pepper pulls, liath walks to heel like a soldier on parade. rolo just bums about sometimes in close sometimes pulling . I think if I lived in a town Id only walk one at a time. so they didnt hogg the whole pavement. I did a 5 mile road walk with them a while back as the feilds were so wet and it was ok once I got my rythmn going the dogs walked along beside me quite nicely and when a car came we met about 4 they sat down till it passed.no pavements you see so you have to get of the road and onto grass verge, most of it was single track. I have to say they prefer off lead . I know I am lucky to live up here but there are rescue kennels in the black isle so the problem of unwanted dogs does exist in the rosshire and inverness area.. more people more dogs...we have raised money for them in the past they do a good job and cover a huge area, the police or dog warden picks up runaways and drop them off there too. they even rescue ferrets and chickens! most folk up here if looking for a pet and arent bothered about breed have a look in animal aid, if I was well off and didnt have to work Id have a rescue kennel. that would be heaven for me. dogs all day.
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I love that pic of Gibb. He looks so relaxed and yet out of place at the same time ;) .
if I was well off and didnt have to work Id have a rescue kennel. that would be heaven for me. dogs all day.
When you win the lottery and get it all set up, can I come and work for you? :D
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if I was well off and didnt have to work Id have a rescue kennel. that would be heaven for me. dogs all day.
When you win the lottery and get it all set up, can I come and work for you? :D
Please can I too?? I'd be happy to relocate from Sunny Bournemouth to where you live Jean - it sounds fantastic.
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yes you can all have jobs cos Id be so rich and id buy out the estate and you could all live in the empty cottages they wont sell as they rent them out as holiday houses even tho locals are desparate to buy somewhere.
now please tell me anyone know of any get rich quick schemes? ;) :lol:
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Ooooh Jean if you come to Edinburgh bring the dogs and I'll look after them :D
I'm sure Alfie and Rolo could get up to all sorts of mischief together and Pepper, Liath and Tilly can sit and commiserate with each other about their norty little brothers :luv: :luv: :luv:
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nicola Ive got to drive to hamilton next week to pick up a pup from Ireland and Im pooping myself....Im sure ill find it ok but ye gods what a waste of a day sitting in a car.
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Yes a poor lady has had most of her dogs stolen
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/6181325.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/6181325.stm)
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umm - this lady was actually prosecuted not too long back for the state she had kept her dogs in >:(
can't really sympathise with her but hope the dogs are found safe
but it does highlight the fact that wherever you live its not safe and chances should not be taken
LINK
(http://www.lep.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=73&ArticleID=155197)
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OMG, I have no sympathy for her then. That is disgraceful. Hope they have been taken somewhere better though. :-\
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sadly the truth of it may be that they will be used for breeding even more :-\
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Yes, sadly you are probably right :'(
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umm - this lady was actually prosecuted not too long back for the state she had kept her dogs in >:(
can't really sympathise with her but hope the dogs are found safe
but it does highlight the fact that wherever you live its not safe and chances should not be taken
LINK
(http://www.lep.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=73&ArticleID=155197)
Didn't know that, but yes it was just to highlight the problem. Also gundogs in kennels are prime targets as well for thieves
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umm - this lady was actually prosecuted not too long back for the state she had kept her dogs in >:(
can't really sympathise with her but hope the dogs are found safe
but it does highlight the fact that wherever you live its not safe and chances should not be taken
LINK
(http://www.lep.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=73&ArticleID=155197)
Yes, I read this on another forum, she was fined because her dogs' kennels were piled high with filth and excrement >:( >:(
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i think 250 pounds was not enough and she had 19 dogs? why... to make money out of by the looks of it. its so sad
if I lived anywhere but where I do live Id be worried about my 3 too, the girls have been spayed so they'd be no good for breeding. also the run is about 100 yards from the croft house and any vehicle or person passing would have to pass it and my mother has an excellent guard dog a tiny black poodle which has such acute hearing nothing passes without it knowing plus the croft collie is always about and so are my sister and her two collies. they couldn't be in a safer place. also our road is a private road with a dead end at the croft so you need a good reason to be on it.
I think if thieves want to steal dogs they will housebreak if they are that keen. apparently even family pets cross breeds whatever aren't safe as they know pet owners will pay ransome for their beloved pets so its not just pedigrees or working dogs at risk.
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mine are house kept but have indoor crates. There is no way as others have suggested that you could face putting your dogs in kennels down here too many are stolen no matter how high tech you get, we've recently had three keepers dogs stolen locally from kennels, sadly nothing new.
Plus I don't think I'd want my kennelled I prefer them being all rounders they are with me for life not just for their working life so I want them to be suitable for living indoors in their old age :D Most people I know though do kennel their dogs.
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i wnat to start having charlie in a kennel whilst me and my oh are at work is this a bad thing??
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i wnat to start having charlie in a kennel whilst me and my oh are at work is this a bad thing??
as others have said, it's a huge risk of him being stolen. As much as you can try and make it secure - thieves will always take their chances at breaking into kennels. If you are leaving Charlie for a full day you might want to think about getting a dog walker, so he isn't extremely bored on his own all day.
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i wnat to start having charlie in a kennel whilst me and my oh are at work is this a bad thing??
as others have said, it's a huge risk of him being stolen. As much as you can try and make it secure - thieves will always take their chances at breaking into kennels. If you are leaving Charlie for a full day you might want to think about getting a dog walker, so he isn't extremely bored on his own all day.
Also if you live in an urban area there's always the risk of dog's barking which can become a nuisance
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and that can happen even if they don't bark... I know several people whose neighbours have made complaints and they have had to install security cameras to check what their dogs are doing a costly exercise if the neighbours are aggravating the dogs. Some people are terribly intolerant and will complain for the sake of it.
Our courts are terrible for their levying of justice with regard to dog cruelty, look at that chap who killed all those greyhounds and buried them in his grounds he got away with a fine that would only have been a dip in the change pocket in comparison to what he'd have earnt killing them... :'( :'(
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Our courts are terrible for their levying of justice with regard to dog cruelty, look at that chap who killed all those greyhounds and buried them in his grounds he got away with a fine that would only have been a dip in the change pocket in comparison to what he'd have earnt killing them... :'( :'(
To be fair, he wasn't on trial for cruelty.....as there was no evidence to prove that the dogs suffered. He was fined for Health and Safety breached in relation to the disposal of the dogs bodies :-\
Shooting any animal is not considered cruel (which will be a relief to all those who go beating with their dogs), and although the stories about how he treated the dogs prior to their deaths are horrific, there was no evidence to present to a court which would have allowed animals cruelty charges to be brought. Hopefully, the new legislation will better protect animals in cases like this - but there will always be people who find a way around it :-\
Apologies Mods - Off topic, I know ph34r ph34r
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i live in the middle of nowhere fields two sides of me for about 5 miles and my neighbour is so deaf we can hear his music and telly in our house so dont think he could really complain lol
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Sweep the working cocker-to be (once he grows up :005:) lives in the house - he has a crate in the kitchen for when I'm not with him - he has a terrifying tendency to try to join whatever work I'm doing in the kitchen if he's loose. I was at the sink a couple of weeks ago, hot soapy water in the basin, when a blue roan cocker appeared next to me - he and I looked at his soapy feet and he was removed to his crate! If I leave the house and my OH is not home, then Sweep comes with me.
When my OH was field trialling English setters & pointers, he also had cockers and flat coats too. The setters and pointers were kennelled and the flatties and cockers lived in. Ever tried having 4 flat coats in a house? The trial dogs (approx 16 of them) also worked on grouse moors as hired dogs for shoots. They were truly working dogs and no way could they all have been in the house. However, once they got old and retired (obviously not all at once) they could come in and be house dogs. Remarkably, having been kennelled all their lives, they were very clean almost from the first day, as they were naturally clean in the kennels.
We are hopefully getting another cocker next week and he'll be in the house.
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isnt a crate a little small for a dog????
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isnt a crate a little small for a dog????
"Crates" for dogs are specifically designed - and come in different sizes for different breeds - giant breed crates are 4 feet long :D
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my dogs have always been inside dogs, but my FIL had all his greyhounds kenneled outside, he was always very good with them but did not believe in having them inside. His kennels were all heated and had lighting in them too. Mind you I don't think 6 people and 38 greyhounds could have really lived all together in one house. :005:
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yeah but you couldnt leave a dog in a four foot long crate for very long.
could you???
i wouldnt >:(
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yeah but you couldnt leave a dog in a four foot long crate for very long.
could you???
i wouldnt >:(
No, I agree - but why would you want to shut a pet up in a kennel, either?
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Sweep is only in his crate when he's not with me - I never said it was for any length of time - and it is for his safety rather than my convenience. It is huge - we've lost access to half the kitchen it seems - and was designed for a Great Dane or something. He can lie down at full stretch and not touch both ends - once he's more grown up and settled, he will not be using it! When our new cocker arrives this week, he will also hopefully show Sweep the error of his ways in trying to get pans off the gas stove or his toys off the kitchen table and keep him slightly more earthbound :-\ !!
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ummmmmmmmm because he might chew things when your not there unfortunatly you cant take your dog everywhere with you and dogs bein dogs will chew and be naughty sometimes and having a kennel which is massive like ours its bigger than bein inside and is also nice for the dog on a sunny day. :D
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ummmmmmmmm because he might chew things when your not there unfortunatly you cant take your dog everywhere with you and dogs bein dogs will chew and be naughty sometimes and having a kennel which is massive like ours its bigger than bein inside and is also nice for the dog on a sunny day. :D
How long would you leave a puppy alone in an outdoor kennel? Longer than a crate indoors? :huh:
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exactly.... 'out of sight out of mind' comes to mind so to speak >:(
I use my crates for the following:
Dogs to sleep in at night - closed doors so I get a decent nights sleep four in the bed is too kinky for me
Short periods when training to avoid Separation Anxiety
Emergencies - like when I'm hoovering... a rarity but it does happen
when the cat has his tea - otherwise three in a bowl he doesn't get any
individual training - puppy in the house they both need individual house training I've one set of hands
When I go out - its rare I go out without my dogs but when I do I want to know they are safe, its is also for the benefit of security when the idiots here set the fire alarms off in case of a true emergency my neighbours and security will come in and remove both my dogs for me.
When they are ill and I have to restrict movement - it happens to us all at some point that dread elisabethan collar and the task of restricted movement for a few weeks or days best to be prepared.
Other than that my dogs are out and free but a crate has its uses. Mine have oversized crates the ones that should be recommended for them I think are too small Ayla has one for a weimaraner dog and bonnie has one for a great dane dog that way they can move around and can stretch out completely without touching the sides either up or out.
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I have a 36 " crate I think it is.
Fern to sleep in at night
Short periods when training to avoid Separation Anxiety
individual training - puppy in the house they both need individual house training I've one set of hands
When I go out - its rare I go out without my dogs but when I do I want to know they are safe, (only ever go out for max of 2 hours ;) )
When they are ill and I have to restrict movement - it happens to us all at some point and the task of restricted movement for a few weeks or days best to be prepared.
(which as she has stitches at the mo, due to being spayed I can put her in if the dogs start playing too rough.)
Other than that they have full run of the downstairs.
But I also have an outside kennel and run which they are only in on their own when I am outside in the garden and want to get something done with out nosey dogs getting in the way ;)
http://s97.photobucket.com/albums/l234/cottonjolly/?action=view¤t=ferninnewpaddock.flv
Think the run is a bit small tho not :005: :005: :005:
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i wouldnt leave a puppy in one for very long yet i would leave a DOG for longer and as both me and my oh have to work it works for us i dont think its cruel at all as long as your dog is happy out there and doesnt whine and cry cant see the problem as for safety dont really have to worry about that the pen and back garden is very safe plus theres farm workers around my home all day and if you go shopping at a super market you cant a dog in with you and i would rather leave him at home where he feels safe then in a car park in my car where im guessing he might get a bit worried.
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ummmmmmmmm because he might chew things when your not there unfortunatly you cant take your dog everywhere with you and dogs bein dogs will chew and be naughty sometimes
i would leave a DOG for longer and as both me and my oh have to work it works for us i dont think its cruel at all as long as your dog is happy out there and doesnt whine and cry cant see the problem
I'm sorry, I must be being really thick, but I don't understand - you say you use a kennel to prevent them "chewing and being naughty" but then say you would only use a kennel while you are out for adult dogs....when (presumably) they have been taught not to chew ? :huh: Why not allow them to stay indoors?
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going to the supermarket?? Online shopping is the answer to that one and they deliver :005: :005:
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well teaching my dog not to chew is very very hard i can see why he does it he gets bored whilst we are away i dont punish him for this as i know this is the only reason why he does this he doesnt chew when we are not there and he likes the kennel whats the problem with that??? :huh:
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well teaching my dog not to chew is very very hard i can see why he does it he gets bored whilst we are away i dont punish him for this as i know this is the only reason why he does this he doesnt chew when we are not there and he likes the kennel whats the problem with that??? :huh:
Well, if he chews because he is bored, then surely it is better to find ways to alleviate his boredom, rather than shut him in a kennel, where he is still bored, but doesn't have anything to chew :-\ In the long term, if his need for stimulation is not being met, then he may begin to chew his paws, tail or ears instead, as an outlet for his boredom :-\ Kennelling him doesn't take the problem away, it just confines the dog to prevent him doing something you dislike, it doesn't alter the underlying stress that the dog is experiencing :(
I don't understand why anyone chooses to kennel a pet dog for noise or destruction, changes should be made to accommodate their needs - after all, they are a member of the family too, aren't they?
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I don't understand why anyone chooses to kennel a pet dog for noise or destruction, changes should be made to accommodate their needs - after all, they are a member of the family too, aren't they?
I agree :D
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I don't understand why anyone chooses to kennel a pet dog for noise or destruction, changes should be made to accommodate their needs - after all, they are a member of the family too, aren't they?
I agree :D
But I leave my boys in a crate when I go out for the same reasons. Is that unacceptable too? :-\
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I don't understand why anyone chooses to kennel a pet dog for noise or destruction, changes should be made to accommodate their needs - after all, they are a member of the family too, aren't they?
I agree :D
But I leave my boys in a crate when I go out for the same reasons. Is that unacceptable too? :-\
IMO, not if it is being used as a training aid - with the long term intention of removing it ;)
I am disagreeing with Charlie-jim-gems opinion that a kennel can be used for longer than a crate ;)
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But I leave my boys in a crate when I go out for the same reasons. Is that unacceptable too? :-\
IMO, not if it is being used as a training aid - with the long term intention of removing it ;)
Don't know if you'd call it a training aid exactly. :-\ We have tried leaving them out, but they chewed up the remote control. ::) Hopefully, one day we'll be able to leave them out. :D But it is probably a very long term intention. :005:
I am disagreeing with Charlie-jim-gems opinion that a kennel can be used for longer than a crate ;)
Oh right. Don't know how long he uses a kennel for. :dunno: Personally I wouldn't leave my dogs outside at all. :D
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But I leave my boys in a crate when I go out for the same reasons. Is that unacceptable too? :-\
IMO, not if it is being used as a training aid - with the long term intention of removing it ;)
I use a crate too, and have kept it up as wanted Fern crated away from Jock when I went out, especially when she was in season (and in seperate rooms) and also at the mo that she has stitches, altho they are back in the same room.
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rolo has a crate which is gi-nockerous.. big enough for a german shepherd. the door is open all the time. its his bed he loves it ( its under the stairs..) he hides all sorts in there. the girls sometimes pop in and out tho they have a large bed in another room.
rolo sometimes goes in there.
I have no wish to offend anyone but please can I disagree with rolos bed being "just" a training area. Its not Its his space to do with as he wishes.. If he wants out he can get out. the door isnt shut, he has chosen to sleep there. when I was decorating I put it away. he kept going back under the stairs and whining and point blank refused to settle. he reused to sleep in with the girls for the whole night and paced and panted and woke me a dozen times ( i thought first it was to let him out ..most unusual ..but it was his old bed/crate he wanted.. now its back Ive got a happy chappie again. no point in buying a designer bed for his roloship, he wouldnt use it.. he prefers the crate! :005:
AND ive a relation whos dog wouldnt sleep in anything but a cardboard box.with the end torn off.. It must be a worker thing! ;)
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I have no wish to offend anyone but please can I disagree with rolos bed being "just" a training area. Its not Its his space to do with as he wishes..
Totally agree Jean. :D
My boys have a 42" crate to sleep in. It is in the dining room and left open all day for them to wander in and out of as they please. We do shut the door at night time and when we go out, but I never thought of it as a training aid. :-\ I've always looked at it as somewhere where I know they will be safe and settled when I can't keep an eye on them. :D
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I have no wish to offend anyone but please can I disagree with rolos bed being "just" a training area. Its not Its his space to do with as he wishes.. If he wants out he can get out. the door isnt shut, he has chosen to sleep there.
Which, imo, is how it should be - he has decided the crate is the place he wants to be, but you don't "shut him in" to stop chewing, or other unwanted behaviour ;)
I am a huge fan of crates when used correctly - shutting a dog in a crate for short periods can be a very successful element of a training programme for puppies, young or re-homed dogs who are learning what is expected of them :D
This to me is very different to a situation (like the one that was described) when a crate or kennel is viewed as a way to prevent a dog expressing itself through unwanted behaviour - with no attempt made to address or alleviate what is causing the problem in the first place ;) If a dog chews things in the house because he is bored, then shutting him a kennel or crate doesn't take away the boredom :-\
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mind you I did shut them all in it when I did the gloss paint on the skirting boards as I didnt want them to add the cocker personal touch!!! but i did put chewies in with them :luv:
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This seems to be going round in circles now, so time to put it to bed I think.
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Or in a crate/kennel ;)