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Title: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 04, 2013, 08:16:05 AM
Now I know I have read about another dog having this but cant find where.
Sat night Riley was up being sick at 3am, 4.30am and 5.30am. No undigested food , just bile, he brought up quite a lot.
He was fine on sunday morning and all day sunday ate normal.

He gets fed about 7am ish then 5pm , last night I gave him little bonio at 9pm,
Fast forward to .3.45 am and he wakes us up again same scenario, though I was more ready this time as I heard the lip licking going on just before.
He was sick twice again just bile.

I am sure Ive read about empty stomach problems, but he goes to sleep about 9.30pm anyway so I cant really give him anything later.
Unless giving him a bit more to eat before I go to bed around 10pm?
He is fine within himself it seems.  Any other advice? thanks.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: DeeDee on March 04, 2013, 09:36:33 AM
Unfortunately no advice Jane although I'm sure someone will soon be posting with suggestions {COLers are an amazing fount of help and advice.} Just posting to say I'm very sorry Riley is being sick. Do you think it might be connected to when he was ill a few weeks ago? Sending you and him big hugs. :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: Diana
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 04, 2013, 10:38:58 AM
Unfortunately no advice Jane although I'm sure someone will soon be posting with suggestions {COLers are an amazing fount of help and advice.} Just posting to say I'm very sorry Riley is being sick. Do you think it might be connected to when he was ill a few weeks ago? Sending you and him big hugs. :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: Diana

Thanks Diana, Im not sure but dont think so. This seems to be twice on an empty stomach and he doesnt seem ill afterwards. Who knows.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Ebbysmum on March 04, 2013, 10:47:32 AM
Ebby used to get this a lot. Almost every night. The vet said it was because her tummy was empty and she was probably dreaming of food etc which caused acid reflux. He recommended feeding three times a day. I have got to be honest I haven't done this but always make sure she has a few biscuits before bed, as late as I am up. Which has been 2am the last week, so no sickness :005: Hope it is the same for Riley  :luv:
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: SophieBlueRoanLover on March 04, 2013, 10:49:35 AM
Poor Riley!

Henry was sick in the middle of the night about a week ago too (just on the carpet near the door in the shared hallway at 3.15am, so I was up and down with carpet cleaner and it's now left a big patch - grrrr). It did have a bit of stick in it, but was otherwise bile. Occasionally I'll find the remains of some on the carpet too. Henry gets fed at 4pm (but does usually have a bit of kibble later for "training purposes"), so it could be from the empty stomach. I haven't got any suggestions, just wanted you to know that others do it too.

Is Riley a big stick-eater? If he's a hoover, I imagine he is. If it happens a lot I'd ask the vet for advice. The vet told me that usually if they're sick after eating then there's something to worry about.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Black Beauty & Silverfox on March 04, 2013, 11:31:07 AM


Hi Jane

Didn't Riley have some issues a few weeks back when Miya was being sick :-\

We had three trips to the vets, the third visit was to a different vets and she said that Miya could have picked something up (because her nose is rarely off the ground) and without supplying drugs or administering injections that we would have when we're "under the weather" I was adviced to "give it a couple of days" and it passed :blink:
Miya was a little hitty missy with her food but then she generally is :005: If Riley's eating OK then he can't be far wrong but if your still worried a trip to the vets may just put your mind at rest ;)

Hope he's well soon :luv:


Mel.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: dipsydoodlenoodle on March 04, 2013, 12:14:43 PM
It's normally just when they are hungry.

Just try giving him a bigger dinner, or give him a tiny amount of supper before bed - Charlie used to get supper to stop this happening - however it was a very regular occurance with Mr Fuss pot. Now he just gets extra biscuits before bed.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 04, 2013, 12:45:39 PM
Thanks all, yes I am thinking might give him a few biscuits when Im going to bed.
I think its a different scenario of when he was sick a few weeks back.

He is a massive stick eater actually, Something he has never grown out of.
I will give the biccies tonight and see if he is ok.
Failing that might do the 3 meals for a bit and see how he goes.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: dipsydoodlenoodle on March 04, 2013, 12:55:48 PM
Also since switching Charlie to raw it's happened less (I'm not saying switch Riley) but maybe his food just isn't filling him as much since he's a growing boy :) (just before Christmas Charlie was starving and was eating double portions for his dinner - VERY unheard of for him - Maybe Mr Riley is just going through a similar 'growth' spurt).

But it would be wort trying him with supper for a few days/weeks to see if it helps.

Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 04, 2013, 01:22:56 PM
Also since switching Charlie to raw it's happened less (I'm not saying switch Riley) but maybe his food just isn't filling him as much since he's a growing boy :) (just before Christmas Charlie was starving and was eating double portions for his dinner - VERY unheard of for him - Maybe Mr Riley is just going through a similar 'growth' spurt).

But it would be wort trying him with supper for a few days/weeks to see if it helps.



I know, yes I will do, he is actually coming through to me after his dinner, and leading me back through to his bowl, licking his lips, looking at the cupboard, looking at the bowl,, looking at me..... etc
I think as well I read that the adult food is slightly different from his puppy/junior food.  Interesting that charlie was eating much more too, that is so not him is it.
Will give him supper tonight about 10pm and see how he goes.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Archie bean on March 04, 2013, 01:32:01 PM
Archie has never managed to stop having his evening meal. He has two main meals but in the evening he has a small amount - about a desert spoon of his food too. I tried to wean him off it but he just kept whining and pacing and staring at his bowl. He also has a small biscuit when we go to bed too. I guess some of them just need their meals little and often!
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Joules on March 04, 2013, 01:39:57 PM
A couple of biscuits before you go to bed should help if it is just bile he is sicking up  ;)
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: MOO-MOO on March 04, 2013, 01:58:00 PM
I always give Chloe and Moo-Moo (and did with my precious Bridge baby Truda  :luv:, of course) approx 20grams of kibble for their 'supper'........I find this helps.

Their daily intake amount refects this 20 grams.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 04, 2013, 02:45:16 PM
What time did you all give supper roughly ?
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Black Beauty & Silverfox on March 04, 2013, 03:11:56 PM
Also since switching Charlie to raw it's happened less (I'm not saying switch Riley) but maybe his food just isn't filling him as much since he's a growing boy :) (just before Christmas Charlie was starving and was eating double portions for his dinner - VERY unheard of for him - Maybe Mr Riley is just going through a similar 'growth' spurt).

But it would be wort trying him with supper for a few days/weeks to see if it helps.



I know, yes I will do, he is actually coming through to me after his dinner, and leading me back through to his bowl, licking his lips, looking at the cupboard, looking at the bowl,, looking at me..... etc
I think as well I read that the adult food is slightly different from his puppy/junior food.  Interesting that charlie was eating much more too, that is so not him is it.
Will give him supper tonight about 10pm and see how he goes.


What time do you actually put him to bed :o :005:
Don't know if food lying on his stomach all night would benefit:dunno: I know I wouldn't eat at that time of night :shades:


Mel.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 04, 2013, 03:27:02 PM
Also since switching Charlie to raw it's happened less (I'm not saying switch Riley) but maybe his food just isn't filling him as much since he's a growing boy :) (just before Christmas Charlie was starving and was eating double portions for his dinner - VERY unheard of for him - Maybe Mr Riley is just going through a similar 'growth' spurt).

But it would be wort trying him with supper for a few days/weeks to see if it helps.




I know, yes I will do, he is actually coming through to me after his dinner, and leading me back through to his bowl, licking his lips, looking at the cupboard, looking at the bowl,, looking at me..... etc
I think as well I read that the adult food is slightly different from his puppy/junior food.  Interesting that charlie was eating much more too, that is so not him is it.
Will give him supper tonight about 10pm and see how he goes.


What time do you actually put him to bed :o :005:
Don't know if food lying on his stomach all night would benefit:dunno: I know I wouldn't eat at that time of night :shades:


Mel.


Lol, mel I put him to bed (dont tuck him in)  well about 9.45-10pm ish.
He is asleep much before , anything from 8.30pm -9pm, but does get out to go out etc.
It seems to be the same time those two nights he was sick, ie about 8 hours after his dinner.
Will give him something at about 10pm tonight
Roll on clocks changing for psychological reasons, I find each year Im more than ready for this .
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: MOO-MOO on March 05, 2013, 07:31:43 AM
We all go to bed about 9pm......we need our beauty sleep!
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: maddy74 on March 05, 2013, 07:57:43 AM
Willow had a few tum probs during puppyhood and the vet did recommend in these circumstances if you can feed 3 smaller meals a day this is better although this isnt always practical I know.

When we finally took Willow of her 3rd meal we always gave her a couple of biscuits before bed... these below are good. We used to give her one of each every night  ;)

http://www.csjk9.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=14&idproduct=72#details

http://www.viovet.co.uk/Pet_Foods_Diets-Dogs-Lilys_Kitchen-Lilys_Kitchen_-_Organic_Bedtime_Dog_Biscuits/c233_234_8305_8329/category.html?pk_campaign=AdWords-432&pk_kwd=lilys%20kitchen%20bedtime%20biscuits&oa_matchtype=e&oa_advert=1999&oa_network=s&gclid=CIXrkIaN5bUCFeXKtAodGU8AEQ

Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 05, 2013, 08:46:08 AM
Thank you Maddy,  well we gave Riley some of his usual kibble, a handful at 9pm last night,
went to bed at 9.45, he woke me up at 2am licking his lips and swallowing, but he did go back to sleep.
Then woke at 5.30 bringing up bile again.
After that he slept till breakfast.
I feel like Im never away from the vet atm.

Will try tonight and give him maybe a bit later. Cant understand this though as its just seems to have been sudden.
My son said he has heard him licking his lips at night before, so maybe he has had this feeling for a while.


He has no ill effects again today, absolutley fine, bouncy self.  :huh:
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: SophieBlueRoanLover on March 05, 2013, 09:06:40 AM
Oh dear, poor Riley (and you). Hope the vet can shed some light on it. xx
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: dipsydoodlenoodle on March 05, 2013, 09:11:58 AM
I  wonder if a  change of food  would help him?
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 05, 2013, 09:16:53 AM
I just dont know, I was actually in the vet y,day buying some flea prevention, but it was busy so I didnt get the chance to have a word.
Might ring them later on and see what they say.
Im not sure about change of food emma, he has been on it with no problems for 9 months or so now.
There is absolutely no food in the stuff he is bringing up poor thing.
It really doesnt look fun for him.

I lying there with half an ear listening out for him.
Im hoping its not something he has eaten and is lying in his tummy , but surely it wouldnt just be in the night he wretched up bile in that case would it.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Archie bean on March 05, 2013, 09:19:21 AM
When Archie was under the weather last year he was licking his lips a LOT. He wasn't sick but was clearly feeling unwell. It turned out he had scratched his gum chewing a piece of plastic (recovered from behind the sofa later  >:D) pain meds and anti B's sorted him out very quickly. Hope the vet gets to the bottom of things.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Black Beauty & Silverfox on March 05, 2013, 10:48:50 AM


Hi Jane

Is everything coming out OK at the other end :huh:


Mel.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Ruby Tuesday on March 05, 2013, 11:12:55 AM
If you google 'dog vomiting yellow bile' you will find this is quite common. Both Ruby and Jem have done it in the past, usually around 5am. We now give them a little bit of supper (they know the word now!) and they haven't done it since. In fact, Ruby did just once, but then we realised we'd forgotten their supper!
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 05, 2013, 12:41:59 PM
Yes mel he is fine at the other end, well formed definately lol

Been to vet, I had to make it clear it wasnt his normal sicky bug etc.
He said I did right with the little bit supper and even suggested bit chicken and rice at night,
He has given us zantac and an anti sickness liquid,
The zantac is to be given a couple of hours before bed, then a light snack an hour before.

If this doesnt clear up he said the next route might be the endoscope (sp) down to look at tummy,
His temperature was fine and tummy felt normal.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 05, 2013, 12:43:53 PM
If you google 'dog vomiting yellow bile' you will find this is quite common. Both Ruby and Jem have done it in the past, usually around 5am. We now give them a little bit of supper (they know the word now!) and they haven't done it since. In fact, Ruby did just once, but then we realised we'd forgotten their supper!

Funnily enough I said that last night,  "heres a new word for him" ie supper,
I am sure knowing Riley as well as Jem and Ruby he will no doubt know what this means in a night or two,

Its strange as after dinner the last few nights he has been coming through and basically asking for more.

He was weighed today and is 13.7kg.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: dipsydoodlenoodle on March 05, 2013, 01:00:29 PM
I'd just give him a little more dinner or supper.

He's probably just going through a mini growth spurt.

Charlie was 14 to 14.1kg last time he was weighed...(whilst he is a skinny minny; he's solid underneath his skinny little frame - however he's always been heavy) - forget the numbers; go by how they feel :)
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 05, 2013, 01:20:00 PM
I'd just give him a little more dinner or supper.

He's probably just going through a mini growth spurt.

Charlie was 14 to 14.1kg last time he was weighed...(whilst he is a skinny minny; he's solid underneath his skinny little frame - however he's always been heavy) - forget the numbers; go by how they feel :)

Hope so Emma, you said charlie has done this? ie been sick in the night? how often ?
Riley is quite cheating , he looks like he weighs more.  Perhaps this lad does need bit more food, its hard to get it right when you have a greedy spaniel more so.

Also Riley of late seems to be getting a lot more excercise so maybe thats the thing he needs more food. Omg I feel awful if its the case .
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: dipsydoodlenoodle on March 05, 2013, 02:42:25 PM
 if he's  more  active  he'll probably be hungrier.

 He used to be sick in the night (bile) quite  often,  but  since  switching  his  food,he's  been  eating  better  and  it's  happened  less,  well  basically never  really :)
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 05, 2013, 03:16:24 PM
if he's  more  active  he'll probably be hungrier.

 He used to be sick in the night (bile) quite  often,  but  since  switching  his  food,he's  been  eating  better  and  it's  happened  less,  well  basically never  really :)

Thanks, will try the zantac and  the light supper first.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: piph on March 05, 2013, 04:58:55 PM
Ozzy also brings up a little bile sometime during the night - probably 3 or 4 times a week.  He always gets biscuits at bedtime, sometime between 10 - 1030 pm.  We've stopped worrying about it now, but if it starts to occur too often, we give him a Zantac at bedtime for a few days and it seems to sort him out for a bit.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 05, 2013, 05:29:25 PM
Ozzy also brings up a little bile sometime during the night - probably 3 or 4 times a week.  He always gets biscuits at bedtime, sometime between 10 - 1030 pm.  We've stopped worrying about it now, but if it starts to occur too often, we give him a Zantac at bedtime for a few days and it seems to sort him out for a bit.

Thats reassuring Pip, Hope this works with riley,
Poor ozzy, is there nothing that he escapes ! :luv:
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Ben's mum on March 05, 2013, 08:35:47 PM
Harry used to do this usually at about 5am then again at 6ish most nights. After advice on here I started giving him some supper and found that in order to stop bringing up the bile he needs a good handful of biscuits.  I was worried that would make him want to go out at night to the loo, but it doesn't.  I usually give him the biscuits as late as possible, when we go to bed and it is very rare he does it now.

hope you get it sorted  :lol2:
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 06, 2013, 07:39:35 AM
Feel like Im forever on this, Riley was given the anti sickness liquid at 6pm, then the zantac at  8ish, he had a little bit chicken and rice at 9pm
About 2am I was awakened by him licking his lips and swallowing, it passed and he went back to sleep (me much later)
Then 6.30am again swallowing hard, licking lips and quite wet mouth, just got him into the bathroom in time where he brought up one lot of bile.

Came down and gave him breakfast which he wolfed down.
Im really wondering what has caused this upset.
I asked the vet could he have swallowed something thats lying in his tummy, he didnt seem to think so as he said he would have thought he would be sick more, and bring up food etc.

Im stumped really. I cant really feed him that much later, I could go to 10pm I suppose but Riley is usually out for the count about 9.30pm.
Now thinking of his food JWB, but he has been thriving on that since he was about 10 weeks old.  :-\
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: abkb on March 06, 2013, 07:45:45 AM
Jane have you read this;

http://voices.yahoo.com/causes-vomiting-yellow-bile-dogs-10468293.html?cat=53 it talks about it potentially being an empty stomach, but also IBD.

I'm no expert, but could you try giving him a biscuit when he wakes the first time at 2am?

Hope the mystery is solved soon xx
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 06, 2013, 07:55:52 AM
Thank you Karen. It does seem really common. Im just puzzled to why its suddenly happened, wondering if its something Ive done etc.
Or even if he has eaten something that is stuck and is only irritated by empty stomach.

The vet is a nice guy but I feel all he wants to do really is hand out prescription after prescrition, he almost was trying to suggest an injection for riley till I made it clear that it wasnt a normal sickness he had.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Ruby Tuesday on March 06, 2013, 08:37:24 AM
When I took Ruby to the vet after this happened to her a few times, they didn't even mention that it might just be an empty stomach! I only found it by googling.

I wonder if Riley's tum is just a bit irritated now, maybe try the supper/Zantac for a few days and see if it settles more? Could you wake him at 10 and give him a biscuit or two?

Hope he is right again soon.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 06, 2013, 09:33:54 AM
When I took Ruby to the vet after this happened to her a few times, they didn't even mention that it might just be an empty stomach! I only found it by googling.

I wonder if Riley's tum is just a bit irritated now, maybe try the supper/Zantac for a few days and see if it settles more? Could you wake him at 10 and give him a biscuit or two?

Hope he is right again soon.

Thanks I will do that,  what helped ruby?
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: elaine.e on March 06, 2013, 09:46:06 AM
William used to throw up yellow bile during the night several times each week when he was on JWB adult food, less so when he was on the puppy food. With William it went hand in hand with sensitive skin and recurring lip fold and ear infections. They all improved a lot when I changed him to Burns and then stopped altogether when I changed him to a raw diet.

So it might be worth thinking of changing Riley's food ultimately, but as Ruby Tuesday has said, it could be that his stomach is irritated right now and needs some time to settle with the help of the Zantac. If it settles then starts up again when you stop using Zantac perhaps JWB no longer suits him.

William and Louis always have a couple of biscuits before bedtime, usually at about 11.00 or 11.30pm when I let them out for their pre-bedtime pee.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 06, 2013, 09:54:32 AM
William used to throw up yellow bile during the night several times each week when he was on JWB adult food, less so when he was on the puppy food. With William it went hand in hand with sensitive skin and recurring lip fold and ear infections. They all improved a lot when I changed him to Burns and then stopped altogether when I changed him to a raw diet.

So it might be worth thinking of changing Riley's food ultimately, but as Ruby Tuesday has said, it could be that his stomach is irritated right now and needs some time to settle with the help of the Zantac. If it settles then starts up again when you stop using Zantac perhaps JWB no longer suits him.

William and Louis always have a couple of biscuits before bedtime, usually at about 11.00 or 11.30pm when I let them out for their pre-bedtime pee.
 


Its funny as he has only been on adult jwb for 2 months now, touch wood he hadt had any allergies, but definately look at this if zantac fails. Glad william is ok now.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Ruby Tuesday on March 06, 2013, 11:15:24 AM
When I took Ruby to the vet after this happened to her a few times, they didn't even mention that it might just be an empty stomach! I only found it by googling.

I wonder if Riley's tum is just a bit irritated now, maybe try the supper/Zantac for a few days and see if it settles more? Could you wake him at 10 and give him a biscuit or two?

Hope he is right again soon.

Thanks I will do that,  what helped ruby?

Just giving her a handful of her normal kibble around 10pm :)
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 06, 2013, 11:55:19 AM
When I took Ruby to the vet after this happened to her a few times, they didn't even mention that it might just be an empty stomach! I only found it by googling.

I wonder if Riley's tum is just a bit irritated now, maybe try the supper/Zantac for a few days and see if it settles more? Could you wake him at 10 and give him a biscuit or two?

Hope he is right again soon.




Thanks I will do that,  what helped ruby?

Just giving her a handful of her normal kibble around 10pm :)



Thanks hope it works for us.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: DeeDee on March 06, 2013, 01:23:30 PM
Sorry Riley is still having problems with being sick. Hope some of the suggestions on here prove helpful. You must be really concerned. Hugs to the boy. :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: piph on March 06, 2013, 02:57:59 PM
Ozzy also brings up a little bile sometime during the night - probably 3 or 4 times a week.  He always gets biscuits at bedtime, sometime between 10 - 1030 pm.  We've stopped worrying about it now, but if it starts to occur too often, we give him a Zantac at bedtime for a few days and it seems to sort him out for a bit.

Thats reassuring Pip, Hope this works with riley,
Poor ozzy, is there nothing that he escapes ! :luv:

Haha - not a lot!!!!  But when you think of the amount of foreign objects that he consumes, we should be grateful that he seems to have a garbage disposal stomach!!!! :005:  Just been reading about the JWB - Ozzy is now on the junior, and will be changing to the adult in a couple of months.  If it continues then, I might think of changing to something else, although I can't blame the food as he was doing it long before he was on JWB.  It started some time after his tummy bug a few months ago.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Black Beauty & Silverfox on March 06, 2013, 04:25:13 PM


Hi Jane

Just wondering if the Zantac worked on Riley :luv:


Mel.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 06, 2013, 04:44:51 PM


Hi Jane

Just wondering if the Zantac worked on Riley :luv:


Mel.

Hi mel , well it delayed the sickness, bile , whatever, till 6,30am , just half hour later would been breakfast time, how much jwb is miya having now?
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Black Beauty & Silverfox on March 07, 2013, 12:19:39 PM


Hi Jane

Just wondering if the Zantac worked on Riley :luv:


Mel.


Hi mel , well it delayed the sickness, bile , whatever, till 6,30am , just half hour later would been breakfast time, how much jwb is miya having now?

Well you know we had a bit of a torrid time with converting Miya to raw, seemed like all the best brands she just walked away from an wouldn't entertain it at all >:( The only raw she loves is PAH beef but this is not a complete food :huh: >:(
So at present she has about 120g of JWB Junior in the morning and 200g PAH beef around 5pm :shades:

Don't wish to direct you one way or the other but when we had our little scarey moments a few weeks back, the end result was that we felt we were a little quick off the mark, namely panicing with worry :doh: :dunno:


Mel.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 07, 2013, 01:04:22 PM


Hi Jane

Just wondering if the Zantac worked on Riley :luv:


Mel.


Hi mel , well it delayed the sickness, bile , whatever, till 6,30am , just half hour later would been breakfast time, how much jwb is miya having now?

Well you know we had a bit of a torrid time with converting Miya to raw, seemed like all the best brands she just walked away from an wouldn't entertain it at all >:( The only raw she loves is PAH beef but this is not a complete food :huh: >:(
So at present she has about 120g of JWB Junior in the morning and 200g PAH beef around 5pm :shades:

Don't wish to direct you one way or the other but when we had our little scarey moments a few weeks back, the end result was that we felt we were a little quick off the mark, namely panicing with worry :doh: :dunno:


Mel.


Totally understand Mel.
I hope it works out for Miya.
Averted sickness last night as as soon as he started the licking his lips, swallowing  (4am), adrian gave him a bonio, he went straight to sleep,
Started again at 6am, gave a half bonio then he went back to sleep.
Im staying off the JWB today and probably tomorrow to see how he goes.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: dipsydoodlenoodle on March 07, 2013, 01:16:40 PM
Have you been giving him supper?

If his belly isn't right, you could always try him with some pro kolin, I got mine online, not sure if the shops sell it.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 07, 2013, 01:36:06 PM
Have you been giving him supper?

If his belly isn't right, you could always try him with some pro kolin, I got mine online, not sure if the shops sell it.

Yes Emma, he had a bit supper at 9pm
I thought prokolin was for diawosits, so its for upset tummy too?
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: dipsydoodlenoodle on March 07, 2013, 03:54:22 PM
Have you been giving him supper?

If his belly isn't right, you could always try him with some pro kolin, I got mine online, not sure if the shops sell it.

Yes Emma, he had a bit supper at 9pm
I thought prokolin was for diawosits, so its for upset tummy too?

 I've given it when  Charlie's  belly  wasn't  great,  he couldn't  settle, gave him that and voila (I  think he just had trapped wind,  but it fixed him up)
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 07, 2013, 05:53:08 PM
Have you been giving him supper?

If his belly isn't right, you could always try him with some pro kolin, I got mine online, not sure if the shops sell it.

Yes Emma, he had a bit supper at 9pm
I thought prokolin was for diawosits, so its for upset tummy too?

 I've given it when  Charlie's  belly  wasn't  great,  he couldn't  settle, gave him that and voila (I  think he just had trapped wind,  but it fixed him up)

Thanks emma will get some, Its trial and error,  Im the type of person that NEEDS to know the reason, lol.
Have lots of things to try :(
Title: Being sick during the night
Post by: Lovely on March 07, 2013, 06:16:07 PM
I wonder if his natural gut bacteria have been upset by his previous illness. In humans live yoghurt is good for this but don't know if it helps dogs?
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 07, 2013, 06:17:44 PM
I wonder if his natural gut bacteria have been upset by his previous illness. In humans live yoghurt is good for this but don't know if it helps dogs?

Yes Ive heard that, tried to get goats milk yoghurt today but no where had any.
Might try tiny bit of ordinary natural stuff.
Trouble is im trying so many different things Im not sure if one works I will know what one lol.

He is on 3 small meals today too.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 08, 2013, 09:11:19 AM
For the 6th night in a row I was up at 3am with Riley,
He was fed all day 3 times on chicken and rice. Fine in himself.
Last little meal was 9pm, he was in bed 9.45pm.

Fast forward to 3am, he was lying quietly beside me, swallowing, lip licking and wet mouth again.
Got him to the bathroom and he brought up usual bile.....this time something in it.  A piece of bark, I would say about size of a 50p but not that shape if you know what I mean. Hubby took it away. I told him to keep it,,,, he flushed it down the loo! grrr

He went back to sleep, (I didnt ) >:(
Nothing else and he got up at 7.30am and ate scrambled egg fine.

Hubby isnt convinced it could have been lying in his tummy for 6 days.. I am hopeful ,maybe me being over optomistic that this is the cause.
Is it possible that was lying in there and each time he had an empty stomach that it irritated to bring up bile? but was fine when he had food in it.
It doesnt sound right as I type it. Im ever hopeful though.

If it continues over the weekend , will be back at vet monday :'(
Title: Being sick during the night
Post by: Lovely on March 08, 2013, 10:10:47 AM
It could be the cause- i know oak bark is acidic i think oak used to be used in the tanning process for cleaning the skin of fat etc so would be irritating. Fingers crossed x
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: SophieBlueRoanLover on March 08, 2013, 11:20:22 AM
Oh Jane, let's hope that this was the cause and that this is what's been irritating him all these days. Fingers crossed over the weekend.
xx
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 08, 2013, 12:04:03 PM
Thank you both, tonight will be the tester I think. If not then back to vets for investigation on monday.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: jaybee on March 08, 2013, 12:35:47 PM
Hope tonight goes better Jane
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: piph on March 08, 2013, 02:55:32 PM
Hope tonight goes better Jane

And me  :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Black Beauty & Silverfox on March 08, 2013, 07:16:58 PM


And me and Miya, sleep tight Riley :luv:


Mel.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 09, 2013, 10:15:06 AM
Thanks all.  Last night huge difference, no sick :)  he was lip smacking / swallowing at midnight, quite subdued, went to sleep till 7,  pray thats it ,
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Black Beauty & Silverfox on March 09, 2013, 10:34:14 AM


Well done Riley, seemed your on the mend :luv:


Mel.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 09, 2013, 10:39:54 AM


Well done Riley, seemed your on the mend :luv:


Mel.

Thanks Mel, we do set ourselves up for so much worry with these little furbabies, but worth every minute of it.  :luv:
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: debbiedaywalker on March 09, 2013, 10:53:50 AM
Good news, glad Riley is getting better, was worried it could be a food allergy/intolerance.
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: SophieBlueRoanLover on March 13, 2013, 02:52:12 PM
Has Riley been better at night the last few days? I assume (and hope) he has!
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Jane57 on March 13, 2013, 02:55:13 PM
Has Riley been better at night the last few days? I assume (and hope) he has!

Thanks Sophie, yes since he brought up that bark at 3am Friday morning, we have had NO sickness at night at all.

Scary these little creatures, I got mad at him today in the park when he started his stick munching again though  >:D
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: Ralu A on March 13, 2013, 03:24:35 PM
Just seen this, sorry.
I'm glad it seems to be over :luv:
Nasty things, these stomach bugs/upsets >:D Elmo was very sick about 2 years ago after Christmas, as our neighbors gave him cooked chicken, turkey and pork bones and God knows what else >:D over the fence, whithout even mentioning it to me or asking first >:D
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: piph on March 13, 2013, 03:52:18 PM
Glad to hear that Riley is better.  :luv:
Title: Re: Being sick during the night
Post by: jemimabear on March 16, 2013, 06:59:02 PM
My Marley used to be sick in the night and it turns out he has megaesophagus (baggy esophogus) meaning food is not digested and sits there in little pockets ready to be regurgitated upto 12 hours later. He has to eat upright and is on medication to protect from acid. Vets thought this was a food intolerance but eventually gave him barium laced food and xrays whilst anaesthetised. After lots of tears we have adapted just fine, happy and mental cocker. :)