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Cocker Specific Discussion => Genetics & Breeding => Topic started by: JohnK on March 06, 2013, 09:11:51 PM
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Dennis is still an entire male and when we were on our walk, yesterday, we met a lady I had introduced to the cocker breed about 5 years ago.
She has a friend who has a bitch about to come into season who wants to have puppies. They would have liked her dog to sire the bitch but sadly it had an undesceneded testicle and was castrated.
I was asked if I would let Dennis sire this bitch. It is not something I had intended, but Dennis is a really great dog, with a good pedigree, should I be considering this request or not?
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Is he or the girl DNA health tested for PRA and FN. If not then defo NOT. You need to research the health tests and the owner of the girls reason for breeding. If it is to make money then a big NO
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John, I think you know what we're going to say ;) There's no way any dog should be used at stud on a whim like this with no research & no experience of breeding on either side (I'm assuming the owner of the bitch isn't experienced as an experienced breeder would not want to use an untested, inexperienced pet boy as a stud dog). There is so much more to ethical breeding than just putting two nice dogs together as I know you know from reading all the threads about breeding on here. If this bitch is due in season soon, then you just don't have the time to get all the necessary health tests done (assuming the bitch has already been tested which is by no means a certainty). Even if you did have time to do this and the test results were good, it's not a case of "letting" a dog sire a litter - many first time stud dogs need careful handling & managing, preferably by someone experienced with stud work. I know it's flattering to be approached like this but this isn't the right way to go about breeding a litter, sorry to be blunt.
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To be honest John, I am surprised that you are even considering it :shades:
You know better than most the number of unwanted dogs in rescue and to allow your dog to sire a litter of pups when neither parent has been properly health tested is not something I would have expected you to condone :dunno:
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I think the more responsible thing to do would be to say no and to explain to this woman why it is probably not a good idea to breed from her bitch at all ph34r
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Hi John I'd definitely say a polite no to the request. Dennis is still very young and he's a gentleman with your other 2 girls, it would be terrible if he got confused and started making advances on them especially on Rosie. Also, he's unlikely to know what to do, he could get injured, you'd never forgive yourself.
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I agree with all the above John, for all the reasons given.
When I had my first Cocker boy, Josh, many years ago, I was asked by somebody if Josh could be used on his Cocker bitch. This was in the days before DNA health testing so that didn't come into the equation. Josh had a good pedigree, was a handsome boy and had a lovely temperament and the thought of perhaps having a puppy by him was tempting. But when I thought about it I realised that it wasn't a good idea at all. I had no experience of dog breeding and I'd seen Josh's best friend Smartie, a Cocker the same age, completely change character with other dogs once he'd started to be used as a stud by his owner/breeder. Smartie and Josh used to play together but once Smartie had been used at stud he used to go for Josh and other male dogs and was always busy sniffing around bitches, spayed or unspayed. I'm not saying that all stud dogs become like that but it's a risk you'd run with Dennis.
You have a happy and sweet natured young dog in Dennis, who gets on well with your girls, so please just keep on enjoying all three of them as you do now :blink:
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I'd go have a chat with your boys breeder as you will need a good mentor, do lots of googling & research so you can make the right decision for you & your boy.
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Hi John I'd definitely say a polite no to the request. Dennis is still very young and he's a gentleman with your other 2 girls, it would be terrible if he got confused and started making advances on them especially on Rosie. Also, he's unlikely to know what to do, he could get injured, you'd never forgive yourself.
I guess this is why rescues normally insist on dogs being neutered.
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I asked the same a while ago...
http://www.cockersonline.co.uk/discuss/index.php?topic=99959.0
It might answer something for you :)
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Apart from what others have said, sorry to be blunt but will you be telling many tears of your intentions after all the hassle you put myself and others (and many tears) through over getting a dog from them.
Most of us have been asked the question you were from time to time while out walking but have never considered it for all the reasons above.
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Apart from what others have said, sorry to be blunt but will you be telling many tears of your intentions after all the hassle you put myself and others (and many tears) through over getting a dog from them.
Sorry to go off topic, but I thought they insisted that any other dogs in an adopting household were neutered (unless entire for medical reasons)?
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Apart from what others have said, sorry to be blunt but will you be telling many tears of your intentions after all the hassle you put myself and others (and many tears) through over getting a dog from them.
Sorry to go off topic, but I thought they insisted that any other dogs in an adopting household were neutered (unless entire for medical reasons)?
Long story
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Apart from what others have said, sorry to be blunt but will you be telling many tears of your intentions after all the hassle you put myself and others (and many tears) through over getting a dog from them.
Sorry to go off topic, but I thought they insisted that any other dogs in an adopting household were neutered (unless entire for medical reasons)?
Long story
Ok - thanks PennyB
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No, no and no, as everyone else has said. :shades:
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In short Noooooo
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John ....behave yourself!......NO.
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Dennis is still an entire male and when we were on our walk, yesterday, we met a lady I had introduced to the cocker breed about 5 years ago.
She has a friend who has a bitch about to come into season who wants to have puppies. They would have liked her dog to sire the bitch but sadly it had an undesceneded testicle and was castrated.
I was asked if I would let Dennis sire this bitch. It is not something I had intended, but Dennis is a really great dog, with a good pedigree, should I be considering this request or not?
Thank you all for your comments, it seems many people failed to read what I said. I didn't say I was considering this, I asked should I be considering it. For information, I had no intention of letting Dennis do it, but I was pleased to read many of the very constructive comments, but sad about others. I am sure somebody will have already advised Many Tears that I am planning to mate Dennis, so they will now have to eat humble pie and advise them we are not. :005:
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I'll lock this now and can't for the life of me think why you posted it if you had no intention of using Dennis at stud - other than to stir the pot and get the reactions you did :shades:
Why should anyone have to report to MT? They can read this for themselves and frankly comments like these do no-one any favours ph34r
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I posted last week about somebody asking me if we would consider mating Dennis with their bitch. My question was, "should I be considering this" not "I am considering this" It was never my intention to try and cause an issue, although it does seem to have been taken in this light by some.
Sure, it was very tempting, but at no point did I ever consider it, I just wanted to ask for the views of my fellow COL'ers. Sadly, there were some comments that were very hurtful to me from people who had obviously not fully read what I posted, but as I have two gorgeous neutered girls and one very contented boy, it would be very wrong of me to allow him to breed.
Having adopted Rosie from Many Tears, I have been very mindful that I have to do everything in my power to ensure she has a great adventure for the rest of her life and I do keep them updated with her progress.
We were considering showing Dennis, but after seeing all the work required to go to Crufts, I have decided this is not for me. Once Dennis is fully mature we will be making an appointment for him to ensure we keep our status quo. We still hope we may be able to show him in some local smaller shows, as we feel he has the right looks and temperament to compete.
Once Dennis is eventually neutered, I intend to offer my services as a foster home to many tears.