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Cocker Specific Discussion => Genetics & Breeding => Topic started by: Nathanjohn8 on August 13, 2013, 05:14:41 PM
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Hi, this is my first post so apologies if this has been covered before!
In October last year, I brought my very first dog, a golden cocker spaniel named Toby. When we picked him up, the breeder said his papers would follow......
In May we realised we still didn't have his papers. Admittedly we left it a long time but as we were over the moon with our perfect pup and didnt want to breed him it wasn't an issue! So we contacted the breeder who apologised and said he still needed to register the litter!!? A few weeks later I got a text saying he had sent everything off to the KC.
There has been some communications over the past few months, but only after I ask for an update.
Toby turned 1 yesterday. So I text the breeder and he said he's still waiting to hear back from the KC.
I've contacted the KC, they couldn't care less. They've told me to contact citizens advice bureau!? >:(
I am just shocked that the breeder would risk his livelihood as this is what he does for a living and I am about to publicly name and shame. :005:
Any thoughts/ideas? I'm genuinely not too fussed about the papers, but I paid for a KC registered pup and that's what I should have! ;)
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Trading Standards, get in touch with them, have you still got the ad where the pup was first advertised? If so, the breeder is breaking the law if he's not stuck to the two rules....was the breeder a licensed breeder? if so report him to his local council too.
1. That the pup was his to sell
2. That the pup was sold as described ie. KC registered
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Thanks for quick reply,
We didn't keep the advert, but it was from pets4homes so I'm guessing they might.
As Toby has now turned one I'm going to start the proceeds with everything, and I've managed to get in contact with someone else who brought a pup from the same litter and in the same position.
The guy has 20+ dogs that he breeds and shows but im not sure if he is licensed.
He has a website and Facebook page, and when I search his name on this forum it comes up with shows be has won etc... So he looks like a reputable breeder, but maybe not!?
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Update! I've complained about the breeder to pets4homes and to trading standards via the citizens advice bureau. I'll wait and see what they say. :-\
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we had our papers when we left with her and as soon as I got home a paid the £35 to change her over to my ownership.
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Dreadfull that this should happen, recently saw what I thought was a good litter and hoped to have a new puppy, we contacted someone we know and gave name and they basically warned us off.
You must persue this who ever is at fault
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From my earlier post I've had 2 people asking if this is said breeder, shock horror, it is. >:D
I will pursue this until I get something back from him, and I'm quickly getting more and more recruits joining my battle!
As soon as I've heard something back from trading standards the public naming and shaming will begin. Partly for my own satisfaction :005: but mainly to warn others that this guy sells pups under false pretences.
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good for you, although I wont change the way you feel for Toby. :luv:
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I know, he is our absolute world! Love him to the moon and back.
It's not about the money or the physical papers, it's the principle.
Still, this guy will get his just desserts!
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My SIL had this some years ago with her Labrador. She took the breeder to the small claims court and she got about 60% back plus compensation for time spent pursuing the case. There are no solicitors involved in small claims (I think its still the same) so it shouldn't cost you to pursue a claim. You still love your dog but the principle remains that you paid probably double the cost you should have done. Good luck.
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I know, he is our absolute world! Love him to the moon and back.
It's not about the money or the physical papers, it's the principle.
Still, this guy will get his just desserts!
I really wish you luck, people have tried many a time and failed, lets hope this is the final nail in his coffin (so to speak) something really needs to be done about him.
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I'm really sorry this has happened and hope that you get Toby's papers.
Can I just remind everyone involved in this thread not to name the breeder here on COL. Many of the boards on the forum can be viewed by the general public, not just forum members, and there's always the possibility that naming such a breeder could have repercussions for the forum. Thanks :D
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With each of the puppies we have bought, we have come away with the papers and in fact saw them before we collected the pups.
I know that once your heart has been set on a little pupster, you want it straight away, but maybe if buyers refused to part with their money until they had all the correct paperwork, it might drive these unscrupulous "farmers" out of business.
Just a thought.
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If you have mums KC name, you can always ring the Kennel Club and ask if there is a pending litter registration against her
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Why oh why do people not go to reputable breeders. The paperwork should all be in place at the viewing stage including KC registration, health test certificates. If not ...WALK AWAY. As long as people buy from puppy farmers this will continue. >:D
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Thanks Sharon ill phone the KC with the mums details when I get the chance.
I understand some people reading this may think I was stupid. As a first time buyer of a pup, if someone who comes across as a reputable breeder tells you papers will follow you (may) believe them. We met with this guy on 2 occasions with taking the pup on the 3rd. His house was full of trophys from cruftss etc... We met mum and dad (hind site they may not have been)
I dont think its a puppy farm. I personally think, he doesn't register any of his pups until the new owner kicks off enough.... >:(
The guy does have some happy customers looking on his Facebook page. Guess a few of us have been unlucky.
I've wasted enough time chasing this idiot for the papers etc.. I won't let it rest now!!
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Shock horror. No pups have been registered under the mum.
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Thanks Sharon ill phone the KC with the mums details when I get the chance.
I understand some people reading this may think I was stupid. As a first time buyer of a pup, if someone who comes across as a reputable breeder tells you papers will follow you (may) believe them. We met with this guy on 2 occasions with taking the pup on the 3rd. His house was full of trophys from cruftss etc... We met mum and dad (hind site they may not have been)
I dont think its a puppy farm. I personally think, he doesn't register any of his pups until the new owner kicks off enough.... >:(
The guy does have some happy customers looking on his Facebook page. Guess a few of us have been unlucky.
I've wasted enough time chasing this idiot for the papers etc.. I won't let it rest now!!
From what you've said you did the right things before buying Toby, but sadly it seems that you were unlucky enough to come across an unscrupulous breeder.
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If you have mums KC name, you can always ring the Kennel Club and ask if there is a pending litter registration against her
That is a really good idea.
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That's what I meant earlier. I called the KC club with the mums details. The lady on the phone confirmed that no litters have been registered from this mum :(
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That's what I meant earlier. I called the KC club with the mums details. The lady on the phone confirmed that no litters have been registered from this mum :(
It may be worth contacting the Cocker Spaniel Club, they may be able to help. You need to be very careful and take legal advice before you name and shame publicly. Have you thought of contacting Watchdog- Rogue Traders?
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That's what I meant earlier. I called the KC club with the mums details. The lady on the phone confirmed that no litters have been registered from this mum :(
It may be worth contacting the Cocker Spaniel Club, they may be able to help. You need to be very careful and take legal advice before you name and shame publicly. Have you thought of contacting Watchdog- Rogue Traders?
If he is not a member of the cocker spaniel club, they will not be able to do anything. If this is the sort of thing he does then I would suspect he is not.
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Can I just remind everyone involved in this thread not to name the breeder here on COL. Many of the boards on the forum can be viewed by the general public, not just forum members, and there's always the possibility that naming such a breeder could have repercussions for the forum. Thanks :D
I understand what you say Elaine, but can I just ask a question, just curious really not wanting to cause any trouble, why would a breeder like this not be allowed to be named on a site like COL? I can understand why people are not allowed to name a breeder and link it with a personal opinion or comment, that would not be right or fair to anyone. But if there is a situation where a breeder has failed to provide something as basic as KC papers then that is not an opinion but a fact. In pretty much the same way we recommend items on the shopping board or holiday cottages/accommodation is a discussion about a particular breeder any different. Obviously there may well be legal stuff I know nothing about ph34r and would not want to jeopardize COL in any way, but if I was looking for a puppy and was new to the world of cockers I would be grateful for any advice about which breeders do not adhere to certain rules and regs.
I know the advice is to only go to 'reputable' breeders but when you are new it is hard to figure out who is and who isn't a lot of websites look genuine, and I have to say the list from the KC when I was puppy hunting led me too some breeders who with hindsight were not the best place to buy a pup from. Most breeders tell you about their Cruft's wins and as a novice it is very convincing.
Sorry to go off topic and I am not being challenging about COL rules at all, just curious.
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Can I just remind everyone involved in this thread not to name the breeder here on COL. Many of the boards on the forum can be viewed by the general public, not just forum members, and there's always the possibility that naming such a breeder could have repercussions for the forum. Thanks :D
I understand what you say Elaine, but can I just ask a question, just curious really not wanting to cause any trouble, why would a breeder like this not be allowed to be named on a site like COL? I can understand why people are not allowed to name a breeder and link it with a personal opinion or comment, that would not be right or fair to anyone. But if there is a situation where a breeder has failed to provide something as basic as KC papers then that is not an opinion but a fact. In pretty much the same way we recommend items on the shopping board or holiday cottages/accommodation is a discussion about a particular breeder any different. Obviously there may well be legal stuff I know nothing about ph34r and would not want to jeopardize COL in any way, but if I was looking for a puppy and was new to the world of cockers I would be grateful for any advice about which breeders do not adhere to certain rules and regs.
I know the advice is to only go to 'reputable' breeders but when you are new it is hard to figure out who is and who isn't a lot of websites look genuine, and I have to say the list from the KC when I was puppy hunting led me too some breeders who with hindsight were not the best place to buy a pup from. Most breeders tell you about their Cruft's wins and as a novice it is very convincing.
Sorry to go off topic and I am not being challenging about COL rules at all, just curious.
As we live in such a litigious society, there is always a possibility somebody could sue and poor old Stu would have to fight the case. we had the cases recently with Twitter where a certain person managed to sue many people for insinuation of guilt. You really have to be so careful and take legal advice if you want to publish anything against another person. Lots of people troll the internet, just looking to cause trouble, so if we don't give the ammunition, COL will be safe and Stu's bank balance will not be affected
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Can I just remind everyone involved in this thread not to name the breeder here on COL. Many of the boards on the forum can be viewed by the general public, not just forum members, and there's always the possibility that naming such a breeder could have repercussions for the forum. Thanks :D
I understand what you say Elaine, but can I just ask a question, just curious really not wanting to cause any trouble, why would a breeder like this not be allowed to be named on a site like COL? I can understand why people are not allowed to name a breeder and link it with a personal opinion or comment, that would not be right or fair to anyone. But if there is a situation where a breeder has failed to provide something as basic as KC papers then that is not an opinion but a fact. In pretty much the same way we recommend items on the shopping board or holiday cottages/accommodation is a discussion about a particular breeder any different. Obviously there may well be legal stuff I know nothing about ph34r and would not want to jeopardize COL in any way, but if I was looking for a puppy and was new to the world of cockers I would be grateful for any advice about which breeders do not adhere to certain rules and regs.
I know the advice is to only go to 'reputable' breeders but when you are new it is hard to figure out who is and who isn't a lot of websites look genuine, and I have to say the list from the KC when I was puppy hunting led me too some breeders who with hindsight were not the best place to buy a pup from. Most breeders tell you about their Cruft's wins and as a novice it is very convincing.
Sorry to go off topic and I am not being challenging about COL rules at all, just curious.
As we live in such a litigious society, there is always a possibility somebody could sue and poor old Stu would have to fight the case. we had the cases recently with Twitter where a certain person managed to sue many people for insinuation of guilt. You really have to be so careful and take legal advice if you want to publish anything against another person. Lots of people troll the internet, just looking to cause trouble, so if we don't give the ammunition, COL will be safe and Stu's bank balance will not be affected
I agree with what JohnK says here, always risky to name someone on third party forum as it puts the forum 'owner' at risk. However, reporting them to someone like Rogue Traders on TV is always an option. Also, if the OP would like to state which part of the country this puppy farmer breeder is, then anyone looking for a puppy in that area could PM the OP to find out who to avoid.
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I can understand why you asked the question Ben's mum :blink: as this breeder seems to be one to be avoided.
But as JohnK and piph have pointed out it's just too much of a risk to name him, or any other breeder that COL members think is dubious, on the forum in case the naming has repercussions for the forum owner and ultimately for the forum too.
If the whole thing came into the public domain, either by way of newspaper, TV, KC action that's published or whatever, there would be no problem in posting a link on here to the public article. But unless that happens the name of the breeder can't be made public on COL, however frustrating that may be.
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Don't worry, i wont publish his name....The advice i have got from you lot has been invaluable so thank you :blink:
The saga however, continues....... He is now claiming that the advert never stated the pups were KC registered. This is absolute rubbish, i have a copy of the advert in front of me. He has also gone on to say he has 'met my type' before. But, judging from his text messages today, he has actually called the KC, but we shall wait and see.
He has started to get aggressive towards me, but i have kept my cool and remained professional throughout. I have sought legal advice, and they have recommended i don't publish any of his details. However, if it goes to court, and i win, then that would be factual information right??! :005:
I may have been taken for a fool once, but it wont happen twice. I have a few people backing me up (mainly thanks to this great forum)
i have spoken with trading standards today and basically.....All wheels are in motion!
I can guarantee, he hasn't met 'my type' before!!
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There is no excuse to do this, they need to be stopped.
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Just wanted to say well done for fighting this, such a horrible excuse for a breeder - I really hope you get a positive outcome x
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If the pups are over a year old now, and he has to register them, he's in for a shock as it's going to cost him four times the cost of a pup under 12 months of age - serves him right is all I can say.
Good luck, I really hope you bring this vile man down.
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Wishing you the very best of luck, I hope you manage to name and shame.
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WELL DONE YOU, TAKE IT ALL THE WAY ;)
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Thanks everybody. Watch this space!
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But as JohnK and piph have pointed out it's just too much of a risk to name him, or any other breeder that COL members think is dubious, on the forum in case the naming has repercussions for the forum owner and ultimately for the forum too.
If the whole thing came into the public domain, either by way of newspaper, TV, KC action that's published or whatever, there would be no problem in posting a link on here to the public article. But unless that happens the name of the breeder can't be made public on COL, however frustrating that may be.
Thank you for your answer - I suppose it makes sense, my OH says I am too naïve as I always think if something is true you can't get into trouble for saying it. At the risk of sounding like my mum 'what is the world coming too' :005: :005: when the people who have right on their side can't say anything for fear of getting into trouble. But I agree its not worth jeopardising COL or anyone involved with it.
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It is easier to fight the fight when you are right!
All the best wishes
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Good for you - go for it - good luck >:(
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Thank you for your answer - I suppose it makes sense, my OH says I am too naïve as I always think if something is true you can't get into trouble for saying it.
I think the same. (the twitter 'incident' (if the one am thinking of) was the other way round - where an individual was named with no facts to back up the pretty serious accusations. He handled it admirably.
Is a shame when truth cannot be shared for fear of the guilty objecting and being protected. World gone mad. (but agree the forum shouldn't be put at risk).
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WELL DONE YOU, TAKE IT ALL THE WAY ;)
Oh yes - forgot to say I echo this !! Good luck
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Thank you :)
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If he's made untruthful claims in an advertisement of any kind then the Advertising Standards Authority may be able to investigate it and make a ruling as to whether the advert was misleading or not. http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications.aspx
There's the possibility that their ruling will be published on their website ;) thus allowing you to let slip the dogs of war >:D
Give 'im HELL :clapping:
Bob.
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Thanks everybody. Watch this space!
Good for you. Justice is something that does have to be fought for. Good luck and keep us updated.
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Thanks Sharon ill phone the KC with the mums details when I get the chance.
I understand some people reading this may think I was stupid. As a first time buyer of a pup, if someone who comes across as a reputable breeder tells you papers will follow you (may) believe them. We met with this guy on 2 occasions with taking the pup on the 3rd. His house was full of trophys from cruftss etc... We met mum and dad (hind site they may not have been)
I dont think its a puppy farm. I personally think, he doesn't register any of his pups until the new owner kicks off enough.... >:(
The guy does have some happy customers looking on his Facebook page. Guess a few of us have been unlucky.
I've wasted enough time chasing this idiot for the papers etc.. I won't let it rest now!!
You've not been 'stupid'. You were led to believe (probably like any of us would faced with the all the information - and seeing the trophies etc) that this was a genuine, reputable breeder. The point is you are fighting your case and protecting other innocent people too. Well done - and good luck!
Presumably the dogs have to be registered to take part in Crufts?
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Thanks Sharon ill phone the KC with the mums details when I get the chance.
I understand some people reading this may think I was stupid. As a first time buyer of a pup, if someone who comes across as a reputable breeder tells you papers will follow you (may) believe them. We met with this guy on 2 occasions with taking the pup on the 3rd. His house was full of trophys from cruftss etc... We met mum and dad (hind site they may not have been)
I dont think its a puppy farm. I personally think, he doesn't register any of his pups until the new owner kicks off enough.... >:(
The guy does have some happy customers looking on his Facebook page. Guess a few of us have been unlucky.
I've wasted enough time chasing this idiot for the papers etc.. I won't let it rest now!!
I think you'll find there are more than a 'few' >:(
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I messaged the breeder asking about one of his puppies, asking if they came with papers etc.
this is part of his reply "They do go with papers however im not sure if they will be show quality yet as they are so young"
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There are definitely some unscrupulous breeders out there and are even part of the showing world. They need to be named and shamed so I wish you luck in pursuing him. The unsuspecting general public needs protection from these shysters.
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Wow, so many comments, thank you all.
Update!
The citizens advice bureau have been in touch with trading standards and they have confirmed i have a case!! :blink:
There are a few formalities that need sorting, but i am going to crack on with it all. The breeder has been in touch, called me an idiot and that i should save my money - Makes me want to get him even more!!!
So now im collecting all of my evidence before sending him a letter - outlining what i want from him (the difference of a KC registered pup and not, approx £300) and giving him a date to resolve.
If he says no (which im hoping) i will then take him to the small claims court, where if the judge rules in my favor It will be FACT and i can legally publish my win!! :shades:
To me, its not rocket, i saw an advert for a KC registered pup, paid money for this. But the pup wasnt registered. Even if the pup gets registered now (which i think he has done over the past few days) at the time, it was not what it 'said on the tin!'
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Sorry but I really hope he hasn't managed to register or pay up. He needs to be in a court of law. Fingers crossed.
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I didn't know what we were looking at with Tilly and with her eyes :'( it makes me wonder if her breeder is in it just for the money. I have found out so much on this forum over the last couple of months.
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As of now, still no pups registered against his mum.
Is your dog over 12 months of age now? if so, it's going to cost him £60 PER PUP to KC register them. :D
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HELP!!
Does anyone know if there is a way to find out if a breeder has a license?
Sorry to hear about Tilly - hope her eyes are ok.
Yes - Toby turned 1 on Monday ;)
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Just want to wish you the best of luck in getting the result you want...you are 1 very brave person - not sure I could persue a matter like this.
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If he has got the 32 dogs he told you he has, either at his premises or elsewhere, then he should have a license, especially if he breeds more than 5 litters per year, registered or not.
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Good luck and well done for standing your ground.
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I would have thought that even if he does register now with the KC, you would still be entitled to some sort of compensation for all your time and the emotional upset this has caused you.
Wishing you the very best of luck. These sort of "breeders" need removing from the planet!
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HELP!!
Does anyone know if there is a way to find out if a breeder has a license?
Sorry to hear about Tilly - hope her eyes are ok.
Yes - Toby turned 1 on Monday ;)
I believe that the licences are issued by the local authority. Some publish the lists online, others you will have to ask. There is no overall consistency. Some also publish the requirements for the way the dogs are kept.
Good luck.
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Just adding my support to your campaign - you are very brave, I don't think I'd have the staying power to stick at it like you are. Good luck, and I'll be watching for further developments.
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It is a great pity that most people just accept the fact that they have been conned. If people continue to buy from disreputable breeders who do not KC register puppies or health test parents, then this practice will comtinue
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The KC don't give a damn to be honest, they just tell you to contact Citizens Advise or a Solicitor, as I found out when the breeder of Bumbles grandparents registered the completely wrong dog as his grandad, stating Bumbles mum was hereditary clear, when in fact she was pra Affected, he did eventually own up to it being a completely different dog who himself was pra Affected.
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The KC don't give a damn to be honest, they just tell you to contact Citizens Advise or a Solicitor, as I found out when the breeder of Bumbles grandparents registered the completely wrong dog as his grandad, stating Bumbles mum was hereditary clear, when in fact she was pra Affected, he did eventually own up to it being a completely different dog who himself was pra Affected.
Was there any penalty for him Sharon? If not then people like the breeder this thread is about have nothing much to lose by his actions except his *good* ( >:D ) reputation.
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No, nothing, he just made the excuse that his other boy must have jumped the fence when his bitch was in season without him knowing.
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No, nothing, he just made the excuse that his other boy must have jumped the fence when his bitch was in season without him knowing.
Hmmm! :shades:
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So, during my investigations i have found out some more information! :police:
I've got proof that he is over breeding his dogs - 2 litters in under a year from same mum.
First thing tomorrow, i am calling licensing at the council to update them on the situation. If he hasnt got a license he needs one, and if he does have one he is massivley in breach of it.
The saga continues......
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So, during my investigations i have found out some more information! :police:
I've got proof that he is over breeding his dogs - 2 litters in under a year from same mum.
That poor dog - well done to you...
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Report to KC too. One of the KC accredited breeders did this and bred twice from the same bitch in one year, falsifying papers and putting the wrong bitch on them.
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It's disgusting that you can't even trust that KC Accredited Breeders are 'good' >:D I've come to realise that qualification is not worth the paper it's written on! It seems the only way to find a reputable breeder these days is by word of mouth. Thank goodness for COL!!!
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So, during my investigations i have found out some more information! :police:
I've got proof that he is over breeding his dogs - 2 litters in under a year from same mum.
First thing tomorrow, i am calling licensing at the council to update them on the situation. If he hasnt got a license he needs one, and if he does have one he is massivley in breach of it.
The saga continues......
Sadly if he's not licensed or an Assured Breeder the KC will allow him to breed two litters from the same bitch in a 12 month period, which is totally wrong, but they do allow it.
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Any up dates?
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Sadly if he's not licensed or an Assured Breeder the KC will allow him to breed two litters from the same bitch in a 12 month period, which is totally wrong, but they do allow it.
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This has really shocked me.
I think a lot of people buying their first dog trust that if the dog is kc registered it's a like a seal of approval. Which sadly isn't necessarily the case.
These unscrupulous breeders rely on the fact we all fall so madly in love with our dogs that we won't follow through in cases like this.
Good luck.
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After threatening legal action and turning up the heat, papers turned up today.
The name of the breeder is totally different to the name of the guy I brought the dog off.
At least I've got the papers!!!
Finally - the local council are keep a very close eye on this guy any as soon as they have proof he is breeding too many, they will take him to court.
Slow process but getting there.
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Well Done you! :clapping: :clapping:
Congrats for sticking at it, odd that the breeder's name was not what you were expecting though.
Hmm. :shades:
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After threatening legal action and turning up the heat, papers turned up today.
The name of the breeder is totally different to the name of the guy I brought the dog off.
At least I've got the papers!!!
Finally - the local council are keep a very close eye on this guy any as soon as they have proof he is breeding too many, they will take him to court.
Slow process but getting there.
Are you sure they're your pups papers? Sounds even fishier :-\
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Yes, well done :clapping: but agree it does sound fishy.
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The papers are definitely Toby's. Other people who brought pups from the same little have also received papers today. Breeder rekons the name on the papers is his business partner. Personally, I think the KC have put him on a black list, or he registers some pups in his name some in the other guys. This way he gets around needing a license.
A truly vile man. Who sees that he has done nothing wrong. He knows the game to well! He doesn't advertise KC registered pups any more - just 'pedigree'
He gave Toby a vile name - 'man on the house', still it could have been worse lol
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Man on the house. Not too bad. My Tessa KC name is Sex in the City!!
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Looking back through old threads on here, found something of interest regarding the name, have sent you a pm.
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Sharon, I think we've come to the same conclusion about the identity of this breeder ;)
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The papers are definitely Toby's. Other people who brought pups from the same little have also received papers today. Breeder rekons the name on the papers is his business partner. Personally, I think the KC have put him on a black list, or he registers some pups in his name some in the other guys. This way he gets around needing a license.
A truly vile man. Who sees that he has done nothing wrong. He knows the game to well! He doesn't advertise KC registered pups any more - just 'pedigree'
He gave Toby a vile name - 'man on the house', still it could have been worse lol
This all sounds very fishy to me too - he could well have conned all of you that bought dogs from the same litter (I hope not). You could have a dog that's totally different from the pedigree that he's told you - which could mean any health tests are not necessarily valid. (A friend of mine has a cavapoo which was meant to by tiny - smaller than a cocker if the alleged father was to be believed - but the dog is enormous! I'm sure the breeder lied about who the sire was, but she still loves the dog so is living with the fact that he's 3x the size she was expecting... let's hope there's no underlying health-problems there. My point being that there are clearly many many unscrupulous breeders out there and it's very difficult to prove who any pup's sire or dam are...).
How can he continue to advertise "pedigree"? - this surely means KC registered as no other registration body is recognised? It sounds as if you're not going to pursue him in the small claims court to get the difference in what you paid between a dog and a KC registered dog?
I assume this guy is continuing to breed and showing the same disregard for anything other than his own pocket?
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He's a vile yet clever man!
The KC don't care neither do trading standards. Licensing at the local council want to take him to court, but he's always managed to wiggle his way out of it!
So many people on here have messaged me privately saying they can tell who I am talking about just from the story!!
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After reading all this, I'm glad you have got your papers, what a parlarva!
I know a few different breeders of cats that are partnered but they usually have both names on the papers. I have a pedigree kitty, did my research and talked to a few people and breeders. The owner wanted to charge more for the kitty but I stood my ground and left with said kitty and papers. After a few complaints to the rspca/cat protection and a few other organisations, along with some other people who bought from the same breeder, this person was shut down and had all breeders removed.
It is a dreadful business and many get hooked in, no matter the research you do.