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Title: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on March 27, 2014, 12:50:37 PM
I think William may have developed a lip fold infection on one side of his lower lips.
He seems to be salivating more, his mouth feels wet to the touch, and it looks black around the area also with some hair loss.
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Have no experience of this complaint and I wonder if those members who have, may be able to advise on a course of action.
I have read that Hibiscrub is good for this sort of thing and have ordered some, anyone know how this is best applied?
Is it advisable to consult the Vet first, or should cleaning the area be given a chance first.

Any advice would be welcome.

M.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: john51 on March 27, 2014, 01:11:09 PM
It does look pretty much like lip fold dermatitis. If your vet takes the same line as mine he will probably advise trying to keep it clean first and see whether that does the trick. If not, he will then either prescribe antibiotic tablets or maybe Fuciderm cream. Both are very effective at clearing the problem up. If it keeps recurring you will then have to think about an operation to resection the lip. That is usually a very successful treatment.

From experience, can I suggest you are very careful when you clean his lip. A sore lip can be nasty for the dog and he might not appreciate a dose of disinfectant. Dilute the Hibiscrub (not sure of the ratio - I'm sure someone else will help) and be as gentle as you can.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: elaine.e on March 27, 2014, 01:21:16 PM
Looks like a lip fold infection. Does it smell? That's usually an indication too.

My William used to get them periodically when he was younger, but hasn't had any since I switched him to a raw diet some years ago. I always keep the hair short around the lip folds and when he was prone to getting the infections I used to gently wipe away any food debris from the area and use Thornit powder if it looked like an infection might be brewing, but not on a regular basis.

Diluted Hibiscrub applied very gently may help and I think it's worth trying that initially to see if it clears it up. If it does, keep the area clipped short from now on and monitor how he goes.

My first Cocker had a little nip and tuck on one side as he kept getting infections, probably not helped by the fact that he was always swimming in ponds and wallowing in mud! The operation was a success. Fingers crossed that William won't need it though :D
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Patp on March 27, 2014, 03:14:16 PM
Sorry to hear that William is suffering!

Jinley has the occasional bout of soreness and I just dilute some hibiscrub and apply gently with a cotton wool ball, after a day or so, when it looks less sore, I clean it deeper.  It is important that the area is kept dry and I have also dabbed some Thornit on the fold to keep it dry.

It has always cleared up on its own and the vet checked her lip folds at her last check up and they were fine. If Williams flares up again quite soon, I would take him to the vets, but initially, I would try and control it myself.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on March 27, 2014, 03:35:16 PM
Thanks John, Elaine, and Pat, I'll give it a go. How much do you dilute the Hibiscrub, and how many applications a day would you apply?

Thanks,

M.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: linda c on March 27, 2014, 03:40:24 PM
Quite a few Cockers get lip fold infections,  I do the same as already said clean thoroughly with diluted hibiscrub then dry.

Blue sometimes has ointment from the vets if it gets very sore, it helps with the infection. I also keep the hair clipped very short round that area. I do wipe his after he's eaten and try to dry after he's had a drink as he's a real sloppier !!!
He's had this since he was about 12months and he's nearly 10 with no major problems.
I believe the operation is a fairly easy one and not that expensive but I've kept it under control so not bothered with doing that. :D
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: linda c on March 27, 2014, 03:43:17 PM
I dilute 1 part hibiscrub to 20 parts water. Use cotton wool then dry after with more cotton wool.
Blue has his done 3 times a day after meals.
It's a matter of cleaning thoroughly then as and when you think it starts to be a problem  :D
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Patp on March 27, 2014, 03:50:38 PM
Sometimes, I also complete wet a cotton wool ball (I use cooled boiled water) then just put some hibiscrub in the lid and dip the ball in.  I used to find that it was difficult to dilute in small quantites and got through lots of hibiscrub.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: JamiesGirl on March 27, 2014, 04:19:32 PM
I find it easier to create a big bottle of dilute Hibiscrub then none gets wasted :) and it lasts longer. I clean Jamie's lip folds once a week even if there's no sign of dirt just to prevent any infections in the future.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Patp on March 27, 2014, 04:56:47 PM
I find it easier to create a big bottle of dilute Hibiscrub then none gets wasted :) and it lasts longer. I clean Jamie's lip folds once a week even if there's no sign of dirt just to prevent any infections in the future.

A much better idea!!
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: linda c on March 27, 2014, 08:35:57 PM
I do the same thing, have a smallish bottle and dilute enough to fill it so there's no wastage. :D
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: zenon_bass on March 28, 2014, 12:22:45 AM
Millie is again suffering the same complaint atm.  Regrettably initially started after she was bitten last year. Vet has given me Surolan liquid to drip on the affected site after cleaning x2 daily.  Has worked on right side, but the left is more persistent... We have Hibiscrub as a backup.

It's so useful to compare and see photos of other sufferers - thank you!
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Lily Freya on March 28, 2014, 09:59:57 AM
Oh Maurice, sorry to read about William's problem.

Reading all this with interest.  It seems to be so common in cockers doesn't it?

Hope it clears up for him really quickly. X
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on March 31, 2014, 05:07:16 PM
Thanks Maureen and to everyone else for your advice.

So we've got the Hibiscrub but Wills is not being a co-operative patient and application has been a little hit and miss, more miss than hit I fear. Trouble is the little smart a**e is now alert to me getting a cotton pad out and there is much lip curling and grumbling, and Wills is not too keen either. ;)

The infection doesn't seem to have got any worse and the smell is not too strong, but it doesn't seem to be improving much either so Wills is booked in to see the Vet on Wednesday when he will no doubt behave perfectly.

Come here Wills , come and see what Daddy's got  ............no chance.

M.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Patp on March 31, 2014, 05:11:40 PM
 :005: :005: Clever little baggers aren't they! ;)

I have to pretend I am looking at something out of the window to get Jinley up on the ledge so I can have a good look and clean of her lip folds and ears.  Its as if she knows, as on those occasions she just looks at me from afar as though I am mad  ph34r

Let us know what the vet says.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Lily Freya on March 31, 2014, 05:27:22 PM
Aw Wills, come on.  It is for your own good little man.  Gracie has to have her lip fold done too, and she hates it.  But, I think it is on the mend, and not looking as gunky now.

Wishing you well. Xxx :luv: :luv:

No more lip curling Maurice, do you hear?  Gently does it. Hehe. X
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Neon on March 31, 2014, 08:02:11 PM
Sorry Maurice, but I'm glad it's not just Toby who protests when I try mouth cleaning, or anything else for that matter.  He knows exactly what I'm going to do and makes it as difficult as possible, the little s*d.  :005:

My last cocker had lip fold infection very badly in his latter years.  A course of antibiotics cleared it, but it soon returned.  There is an operation they can have but no guarantee of it being 100% successful apparently.  I felt it was too risky, as Jarvis was getting on a bit. I just resorted to keeping it at bay with daily cleaning.

Hope William has more success with your vet.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: jennycockerspaniel on April 01, 2014, 12:07:22 AM
Sorry to hear this poor William Louis has had problems and was smelly he had antibiotic a anethectic and  trimmedhair of f mouth and had his teeth cleaned and polished and since then he has been fine but they found a lump on his tongue benign thank goodness but he does not dribble so much  so that was not helping Hope it heals up soon and sending him hugs x
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: PennyB on April 01, 2014, 01:34:18 PM
the other thing re lip fold problems is they can also be quite painful for a dog and so reluctant for an owner to touch which can extend itself to later on when lipfold is healed up and pain free but the memory still remains

My vet has given pain relief sometimes for this because it is painful in some dogs
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on April 01, 2014, 03:02:23 PM
I keep telling Wills it's for his own good and to make him feel better,. but he's not impressed ;)
 You make a good point Penny we were getting concerned that our unwelcome attentions may oversensitise him to having his mouth area touched, and have decided not to do it when he's on the worktop for general grooming which he enjoys, I would hate a bad association to develop.

Roll on tomorrow...

M.

Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: linda c on April 01, 2014, 07:50:35 PM
You've got to smile at the little devils, Blue knows what's going to happen as soon as I get the cotton wool out and he decides to go somewhere else very quickly  >:D

I usually do his lip folds in the kitchen with him backed up to the door, I then stand over him with my back to the door holding him firmly with my legs then lift his head up and gently wipe his downwards, it works for me ;)
He has his done on a regular basis and has Surolan ointment to help clear things up if bad.

Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: sarahR on April 01, 2014, 08:56:20 PM
Our vet told us just to dab the cotton wool on gently at first not putting any pressure on it or wiping it then pat it dry. The first few days I must admit I felt like counting my fingers afterwards as she was not happy but OH held Ozzie and had a bit of primula cheese on the end of his fingers to stick on her tongue afterwards. The first times times were very quick seconds in fact. After a week she was much better and would stand still as good as gold and allow you to gently wipe her mouth for a good while. She did end up having a nip and tuck just over a year ago and has been fine ever since.
Good luck tomorrow.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on April 02, 2014, 03:50:43 PM
Thank you Sarah and Linda for your tips.

So I sez to Tom our Vet I think Wills has got a lip fold infection, been on the internet again sez Tom ;)  well it is what you say. Been trying to clean it with diluted hibiscrub I say; needs something stronger than that sez Tom, might make you feel better doing it but won't have much effect. Certainly does not make me feel better sez I, Wills is far from being a willing patient. >:(

So back from the Vets some £62 poorer Wills has had an injection of Lincocin and Colvasone and a course of Clinicin tablets, all to do with microbial infections.

Hopefully this will clear it up, but once it has we will try to continue with a regular clean and dry of the area.

M.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: zenon_bass on July 01, 2014, 02:33:13 PM
Many thanks to John51!

Previously Millie was almost cured and then the infection would return.   On another occasion, the vet had said that I was worrying unduly, but M kept licking her legs as a displacement activity this time, so I knew all was not right.

When Millie sees the cotton wool balls come out ready for Hibiscrub, she hides in her crate, that is until the special treat is waved around.  :005:

After ages of Millie's lip infection not responding to Surolan cream and Bactroban ointment, I took her back to the vet and mentioned this website, specifically Fuciderm cream.  I really wish I'd done this sooner as the magic seems to be working!   

COLers Thank you! You are all a mine of information!
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on July 12, 2014, 04:32:03 PM
Will's lip fold infection is stubbornly refusing to clear up. He has now had four lots of antibiotic, haphazard applications of surolan, and since Thursday is on fuciderm. His poor lips look very sore and he is not the best of patients although I am having slightly better success with the application of the fuciderm gel.

We are reluctantly thinking that a nip and tuck may be only remaining option but of course  that too is a worry.

Are there any members who's cockers have had the surgery and can advise of success rates, post op healing time, any complications arising from having the procedure?


Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: elaine.e on July 12, 2014, 06:06:40 PM
My first Cocker had a nip and tuck on one lip fold, but that was about 25 years ago, so I don't remember too much about it. I know it did the trick, no more lip fold infections ever, and I'm sure it healed quickly and easily because I'd remember if he'd had any problems after the op.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Ben's mum on July 12, 2014, 06:09:00 PM
Sorry to hear he is still having problems. Harry had a bad bout last year and it needed a few courses of anti b's before it cleared up. Our vet advised salt water as it doesn't sting as much as hibiscrub and she gave me some very expensive wipes to keep the bacteria in the lip fold area down. And fingers crossed no problems since. Hope you get sorted soon  :luv:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Lily Freya on July 14, 2014, 10:26:20 AM
Aw Maurice, sorry to read that it's not clearing.

Ollie and Gracie are both on Fuciderm at the moment.  It appears that this is a common 'nuisance' for our cockers.

Let's just hope the Fuciderm does the trick for all.......not keen on surgery route.  Just silly me, I know.  Terrified of anaethesia due to sad experience.

Get better soon William.  We are thinking of you. Xx
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Redked on July 15, 2014, 12:30:13 AM
No experience of lip fold problems but hoping William can get this cleared up without an op. Sending hugs from us  :luv: :luv:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: pancake on July 15, 2014, 12:21:55 PM
Harvey has had this a few times in the last couple of years, hibiscrub worked only once but we have used optiderm spray with good effect, its used for dermatitis & pyoderma, we just spray it on to his lips at the side until it runs off, no need for cotton wool etc & as its a trigger spray its squirts right into the folds so a lot less painful than rubbing the lips

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00C0TABB2/ref=oh_details_o08_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: lozzyf on July 15, 2014, 08:04:30 PM
My Jo Jo who we lost just before Easter (sigh) had numerous bouts of this . I found the best thing was to get the vet to shave and clean it ( yes it was a nightmare) and although  initially suralan was prescribed, athletes foot powder was the best for her . . I found this out in desperation one bank holiday!!!!! As the vets bills were ridiculous . . Also cider vinegar. . Not saying it will help everyone but maybe worth a try
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: 6thSense on July 15, 2014, 09:45:03 PM
I have had 3 dogs over the years with this, which we treated for some time, but then eventually with the last two I opted for the lip fold op. Bit of a lip tuck.  :shades: :005: Never looked back. Never ever a single problem again.  :D
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: pancake on July 15, 2014, 09:52:14 PM
what is the cost of the op roughly & does it have a high success rate?
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: sarahR on July 15, 2014, 10:26:27 PM
Ozzie had very bad lip fold problems.The smell would knock out an elephant at 20 paces and it was very sore. She had the nip and tuck on both sides of her lower jaw nearly two years ago and has been fine ever since. Sending the young spangle a hug.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on July 16, 2014, 08:41:34 AM
Thank you all for your input and advice, we are  trying to persevere with the fuciderm with limited success, Wills has upped his co-operation fee to a sausage now, and he's still not that co-operative. It's so annoying, if only he would let us treat it I'm sure it would clear up.

Once the small tube of fuciderm is finished, a review with the Vet and a decision to be made. It's re-assuring to hear from those who have gone thro' with the procedure that it seems to have worked.

M.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Archie bean on July 16, 2014, 09:26:56 AM
Poor Wills. I hope the fuciderm does the trick. It's so frustrating when they won't cooperate to let us help them. I don't think a whole roast dinner would convince Archie to let me put drops in his ears. I had to wait until he was dozing and sneak them in.  >:( He quite enjoyed the post drop ear rub though.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: pancake on July 16, 2014, 09:31:04 AM
the trouble with fuciderm is that it just gets washed off in that area which is why it has a limited effect
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on July 28, 2014, 10:21:27 AM
Things have not improved with William's infection and the decision was made this morning at the Vets to have the lip fold operation, which will be done tomorrow morning.

Not happy about putting Wills under the knife again so soon, but at least it is not invasive surgery, although anaesthetic is always a worry. Still, not much time to get increasingly anxious about it, but we'll surely be relieved when he's back home tomorrow afternoon.

M.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: pancake on July 28, 2014, 10:25:28 AM
Fingers crossed, please me know how it goes
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: jennycockerspaniel on July 28, 2014, 10:35:52 AM
Sorry to hear this Thankfully at the moment lLouis shave and cleaned worked Thinking of you both tommorrowxx
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: MacTavish Boys on July 28, 2014, 10:59:33 AM
I hope William's surgery goes well tomorrow :luv: :bigarmhug:
Stephanie, George and Hamish xxx
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: MIN on July 28, 2014, 11:38:49 AM
I hope William's surgery goes well tomorrow :luv: :bigarmhug:
Stephanie, George and Hamish xxx




me too  :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: fenby on July 28, 2014, 01:04:32 PM
Hope all goes well for William tomorrow, sending him lots of  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: 8 Hairy Feet on July 28, 2014, 02:03:21 PM
aw of course there is a little
trepidation... so sending you all
big hugs :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: ejp on July 28, 2014, 02:28:25 PM
Good wishes being sent to William  :luv: and calming thoughts for you.  Will be a long day for you  :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: linda c on July 28, 2014, 03:34:51 PM
Hope all goes well tomorrow  :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Redked on July 28, 2014, 07:22:04 PM
I'm sure it will be for the best once William is recovered. Lots of love and hugs from us here. We will be hoping he is back to normal as quickly as possible xxxx
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on July 29, 2014, 11:42:44 AM
Thank you all for your support, William went in at 0830 this morning, so it's now a matter of trying not to think about it and hoping the phone call comes quickly to say he's ok.

M.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Archie bean on July 29, 2014, 01:15:13 PM
Just caught up with this. Sending lots of love for a speedy recovery for William.   :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Poppsie on July 29, 2014, 03:10:45 PM
Just caught up with this. Sending lots of love for a speedy recovery for William.   :bigarmhug:

Same from all of us too Maurice  :luv: x x x
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on July 29, 2014, 06:13:51 PM
Thank you Emma and Dianne,

William is home and looking very sorry for himself.

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The Nurse has said he has to keep the cone on for ten days, but I think we will have to remove it to allow Wills to eat and drink, his ears  are forced forward against his nose with the collar on.

We haven't spoken to our Vet as yet, he was called into an emergency operation late this afternoon, but he will ring us later.

He has prescribed a pain killer called Gabapentin, which is used to treat epilepsy in Humans, and although it is not recommended for Children, Wills has an adult 300mg human dose.? The side effects are also recorded as many.

Something else to fret about, but at least Wills is home, and I  will know more later about how it all went.

M.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: pancake on July 29, 2014, 06:20:44 PM
He is looking well so soon after the op  :blink:

May I ask what sort of cost was involved? only I think we may be looking at the same op for our Harvey sadly
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on July 29, 2014, 06:39:12 PM
Hi Pancake,

I think Wills is still spaced out from the anaesthetic, which probably isn't a bad thing.

Things were so hectic in the Vets that the question of the bill wasn't established, but I think it was around £450.

I will post the actual cost when I see them after the return visit on Monday.

Since Wills had his first Vet appointment on 2 April about this problem we have already spent £208 on consultations, antibiotics, and fuciderm gel, all to no avail.

I will also continue this thread to the point of William's recovery to provide a sort of Lip fold case history which may be of benefit to others faced with the same problem.

M.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: pancake on July 29, 2014, 06:47:10 PM
That would be brilliant thank you, I am sure it will be of help to many in the future
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Pearly on July 29, 2014, 07:17:03 PM
Hope you and especially William have a comfortable night - get well soon Mr W x
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: jennycockerspaniel on July 29, 2014, 07:53:03 PM
Poor William  hope he  has a comfortable nightxx
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: cdpops on July 29, 2014, 08:15:16 PM
Poor William, I hope he feels better very soon. Love the paw prints on his "lampshade" very trendy!
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: AndyB on July 29, 2014, 08:25:17 PM
 :luv:  :luv:

Sending gentle hugs for William.  I have to say he doesn't look too put out by the lampshade collar on the photo, bless him.   Fingers crossed for a speedy recovery for Mr W and an end to the lip fold problem. 
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Redked on July 29, 2014, 08:27:52 PM
Lots of hugs (gentle of course) I think! Get well soon William. It will all be so much better for him once he is over this  :luv: :luv:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on July 29, 2014, 08:28:25 PM
Can you believe it has the name 'Funcol' on it, anything but in the opinion of Wills >:(
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Archie bean on July 29, 2014, 08:42:51 PM
Can you believe it has the name 'Funcol' on it, anything but in the opinion of Wills >:(

Awww. He looks pretty good considering the day he's had.
Archie would agree with the Funcol name. He wore one for the best part of three weeks after his complications from castration. He ate, drank and slept in it. He seemed to really enjoy wearing it and carried it around when it eventually came off!!  :dunno: He's always been a bit odd.  ph34r
Hugs to William and hope he feels back to himself soon. xx
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: pancake on July 29, 2014, 09:05:24 PM
we use the inflatable ring or comfy cones depending on whats wrong
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: fenby on July 29, 2014, 09:08:09 PM
Hope you soon feeling better William , and that you all have a peaceful night. :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: ejp on July 29, 2014, 09:15:55 PM
Heal quickly young Wills  :luv:  I hope you all have a restful night.  :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Lily Freya on July 29, 2014, 09:22:46 PM
So pleased to read William is home now, and that his procedure is all done and dusted.

It will be very useful, for many Maurice, to read about this.  Lip fold infection appears to be really common with our spaniels.

Get well soon lovely Wills.  You've been in our thoughts all day.   Xxxx
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: fenby on July 30, 2014, 04:16:50 PM
Just wandering how William is today?
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Lily Freya on July 30, 2014, 04:22:16 PM
Me too.  How's the little patient?  :luv:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on July 30, 2014, 07:28:40 PM
Wills had a quiet night, is eating and drinking and seems quite bright despite the lampshade. Jan took him a short on lead walk this afternoon. Our Vet phoned last night at 9.30pm, he had been at the surgery since 8.00am. that's dedication for you.

He was pleased how the surgery had gone, but one area had a double fold which increased the stitching. Hoping by tomorrow we can risk taking the collar off for a short time at least to allow him to eat properly. Will have to be vigilant tho' as he has been attempting to scratch quite vigorously at times. Not had a clear view of the wound yet, but I think it's swollen a little, and the Vet has warned that there may be some discharge.

The Vet will review him on Monday next.

M.

Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Lily Freya on July 30, 2014, 07:56:21 PM
Great to have this update Maurice.  Sounds like little fella is recovering well.  Hopefully it will heal as it should, and he can get rid of the lampshade.  Horrible things they are.

Give his a hig from us all here. Xx
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: ejp on July 30, 2014, 08:07:03 PM
Wills appears to be coping very well.  :luv:  Lovely that your vet phoned so late on, that is a sign of a good vet.  I hope Will can be lampshade free for a wee while tomorrow, you will definitely need to be in hawk mode! Thank you for the update, cuddles for the handsome one  :luv:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: linda c on July 30, 2014, 08:15:34 PM
Glad Wills is feeling a bit better after his op.  :luv: Your Vet sounds really good and hopefully Wills recovery will go well.  :luv:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: 8 Hairy Feet on July 31, 2014, 07:59:56 AM
Yes good to hear he's ok.
He really doesn't look too
impressed with his lampshade :016:
We send him hugs :bigarmhug:
Hairy Feetxxx
ps Emma, I can't get over Archie actually
liking to wear one... our General would
bash them onto anything including my legs
until they smashed up and had to replaced,
whenever he had them we would go through
several in one sitting.Turned out quite expensive!
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: amichell on July 31, 2014, 11:23:25 PM
Hope Wills is feeling better today :luv:

Probably a bit a late in posting this for Wills, but there is a novaguard cone that keeps the ears free and away from his lips. You can cut the nose off as short as you dare. You can google it for more info.

http://www.groomers-online.com/product.php/3589/novaguard-wound-protection
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Archie bean on August 01, 2014, 10:17:45 AM
Yes good to hear he's ok.
He really doesn't look too
impressed with his lampshade :016:
We send him hugs :bigarmhug:
Hairy Feetxxx
ps Emma, I can't get over Archie actually
liking to wear one... our General would
bash them onto anything including my legs
until they smashed up and had to replaced,
whenever he had them we would go through
several in one sitting.Turned out quite expensive!

Not a great pic but here he is playing with his first one while sporting a second! He had to move up to a larger size because he invented a yoga move that allowed him to nibble at the 4 inch plastic drain that was in his groin at the time!!!  >:(

(http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l614/goldenharp1/IMG_0536_zpse176089f.jpg) (http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/goldenharp1/media/IMG_0536_zpse176089f.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on August 01, 2014, 04:59:51 PM
Thank you for all your support and the info on that Novaguard cone that allows the ears to hang outside.

That cone on Archie looks enormous Emma, I bet he clipped your legs a few times with that one.

Wills seems to be making good progress, he is eating and drinking well but is yet to do a poo, (three days on from the op) I suppose his system is still out of sorts following the op.

It is interesting to see how he has developed strategies for dealing with the cone, even to the extent of being able to steal tea towels off the work surface, a good indicator of how he's feeling.

Not risked taking the cone off in case there are problems getting it back on him, we'll wait until Monday now. However the wound looks dry with no smell or seepage and he continues to seem fairly bright.

Sometimes he does look fed up

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-N1bFYIVJ5_g/U9uy_SBs7pI/AAAAAAAANSA/JFGIwraRuW4/s640/IMGP1005.JPG)

Other times he looks to be just getting on with things.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fGc8jmjs7ok/U9uysv53YvI/AAAAAAAANRw/kYtGPo-_yGw/s640/DSC05357.JPG)

I'll update following his review with the Vet on Monday.

M.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: ollie nathan's mum on August 01, 2014, 05:54:42 PM
Only just seen this thread, so pleased that William is on the road to recovery. :luv:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: ejp on August 03, 2014, 11:18:44 PM
Looking forward to hearing Wills update tomorrow, hope he gets a good report from the vet.  :luv:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Redked on August 03, 2014, 11:53:34 PM
Bless him. Not long now William. It is amazing how dogs just get on with things and find ways to adapt. Stealing tea towels with a cone on is genius William, well done  :005: :luv: xx
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on August 04, 2014, 10:09:03 AM
Wills is back from his review with  our Vet.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Hpf1ZePTjtE/U99J4_t2r0I/AAAAAAAANVQ/pPIjjMDKSf4/s640/DSC05393.JPG)

Tom is very pleased with progress, but has issued a further course of Antibiotic (Veraflox) to keep any residual infection at bay.

Too soon to think about removing the cone and he will check him again  Friday.

So six days following the procedure this is how the wound looks.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jFgf0cHdVU4/U99J0i79ASI/AAAAAAAANVI/-dTt5Y3EgKQ/s640/DSC05391.JPG)

The stitches are self dissolving but may need some intervention if they don't dissolve quickly enough.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-djKOjTYLo_I/U99JitBkZkI/AAAAAAAANU4/ZzR1rt7JtRM/s640/DSC05390.JPG)

Things must have improved for William as he did not object to Tom  checking the wound.

The cost of the procedure was £501.00.

M.


Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: 8 Hairy Feet on August 04, 2014, 10:31:43 AM
That looks to be healing well Maurice.
Tom looks like a lovely chap, keeping a
close eye on the situation.
Hugs for William :luv:
 :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: ejp on August 04, 2014, 10:51:24 AM
Good news indeed.  Well done William  :luv:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: fenby on August 04, 2014, 12:44:15 PM
What a brave boy William is , to have all those stitches round his mouth.Pleased to hear it is all going well. big  :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug: for William.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Sirius Mum on August 05, 2014, 10:01:04 PM
So pleased to see how well he's doing those stitches look like they are healing well

Brave boy William

 :bigarmhug: :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on August 08, 2014, 09:48:50 AM
Second check up ten days post op.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-nLSypVIRQWo/U-SMPSW_G7I/AAAAAAAANY4/mFy9XM6hN6A/s640/DSC05412.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-LyF88AuCehQ/U-SL9IsDscI/AAAAAAAANYw/R_PtQXHYHiM/s640/DSC05413.JPG)

Not a huge visual difference but the swelling has reduced and Tom is pleased with progress.

William continues to 'manage' his cone, but he is constantly trying to get to scratch his chin, so the cone stays. Can't risk a set back at this stage.

Tom has suggested  we continue with the Fuciderm to reduce the itching, and as Wills is now more accepting of his mouth being touched we might have more success.

Another review Tuesday.

Feeling fairly confident that Wills will be fit for his Stiperstones meet on 25th August. :D

M.

Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Sirius Mum on August 08, 2014, 10:09:44 AM
That's great a lot less inflamed

Brave boy William soon be all better  :luv:


Thank you so much for posting the photos it really helps to understand what can be involved.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Redked on August 08, 2014, 11:49:45 PM
I can't believe it has been 10 days already. Well done William for putting up with your cone for 10 days and letting your hoomans put your cream on  :luv:

Just edited that as predictive text had put Holman's for hoomans  :005:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Neon on August 09, 2014, 07:27:49 PM
Eeeek, heard about this op a million times but never actually seen the aftermath of it.  Interesting pics Maurice.  Hang on in there Wills, the dreaded lampshade will soon be gone.  Well done. x
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: ejp on August 09, 2014, 07:51:30 PM
Well done Wills, you are a brave boy.  :luv: :luv:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Archie bean on August 09, 2014, 08:43:59 PM
Wow, William you are a complete trooper. Not long to go now.  :luv: :bigarmhug:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Lily Freya on August 10, 2014, 07:51:15 PM
Oh that is looking good Maurice.  If it's done the trick, then it will all have been worthwhile, hey?

Get better very soon young William.  Xxxx
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: pipkoi on August 10, 2014, 08:57:17 PM
All looking good. Jake suffers with lip fold infections / smells. We manage it with diluted Hibiscrub & to protect it a dab of Sudocrem. So far so good & getting a lot less frequent
Hope William is back on top form ASAP
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on August 13, 2014, 11:35:44 AM
Yesterday fourteen days after Wills op we returned to the Vets hopefully to receive good news that the Lampshade can come off.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZeOemvCLFm8/U-s8y_cHhGI/AAAAAAAANbs/K0Fq5PapBDI/s640/DSC05422.JPG)

YES YES YES, Tom said that it had all healed up sufficiently to remove the lampshade, the remaining stitches should dissolve over the next few days.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-SYJu-FMfsFY/U-s8scit8sI/AAAAAAAANbc/E3Am0RK5MeI/s640/DSC05423.JPG)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-nSoAjy4dozs/U-s8y00rdqI/AAAAAAAANbo/6WnXVdlw8bk/s640/DSC05421.JPG)

Since removal Wills has not shown any inclination to scratch his jaw so we are confident that it should be alright now.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4KNWv-Q1Vzs/U-s86d_OgoI/AAAAAAAANb0/d5WjZDdD37s/s640/DSC05445.JPG)

Today he had his first free run in two weeks, and his enjoyment was very clear to see.

M.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: 8 Hairy Feet on August 13, 2014, 12:55:56 PM
Ah great stuff!
he is such a good boy
to wear a lampshade for
2 weeks... well done William :luv:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Sirius Mum on August 14, 2014, 12:41:38 AM
Well done William you are free to enjoy your walks again.  :luv:
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Max X 2 on August 14, 2014, 10:21:14 AM
Great news, bet he was glad of the exercise
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: pancake on September 09, 2014, 02:53:24 PM
How is it going? sadly it looks like we may have to have this op for one of ours
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: Poppsie on September 09, 2014, 04:57:04 PM
My Phoebe has just started with this today  >:( it smells awful  ph34r got some Hibi scrub fingers crossed it does the trick  ;) x x x
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: GeoW on September 09, 2014, 07:16:30 PM
Hi Pancake, William is fully recovered, no signs of any regression.  Some of the stitches have still yet to dissolve but they don't seem to bother William so we have not gone back to the Vet.

Now it's healed we are routinely cleaning his mouth area as a precaution.

Hi Dianne, sorry to hear about Phoebe, hope the cleaning does  the trick.

M.
Title: Re: Lip fold infection?
Post by: pancake on September 09, 2014, 09:31:17 PM
Thank you for that :)