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Cocker Specific Discussion => Grooming => Topic started by: lesley3165 on May 21, 2014, 10:25:00 PM
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I'm looking for a product to try to stop Meg's ears getting so knotty, I've googled and read somewhere about a product called ice on ice but can only seem to find it available in US dollars , is it available in England and if so where can I get it? Does anyone use it and is it good? Can anyone suggest another product I've bought a detangle spray from pah but I'm not that impressed with it.
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I buy ice on ice from christies direct, I buy the concentrated one , costs about £36 and diluted lasts me a year.
I use it every day when grooming.
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Maybe I'm wrong but I'd swear Kez's coat is a lot more knot free since we went to raw feed.
Does anyone else think this ?
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http://www.christiesdirect.com/en/Chris-Christensen-Ice-on-Ice-Detangler/m-2073.aspx
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Yes you can get it over here. It's a Chris Christiansen product & it is fab stuff. I swear by it. Use it on all my dogs, but especially on my full coated black boy and it keeps his coat in fab condition. :D
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Another user here :D mostly on my one of my cavaliers ears as they are very full, long and 'cottony' - but when we moved completely to raw feeding that is when I saw the biggest improvement in coat, and somehow Dillons ears are a lot more manageable (helen1)....but yes, it's great stuff and a 36 GBP bottle lasts a very long time on two cavs. I've also used Cowboy Magic on tangles and matts, this is like a thin gel so it doesn't get diluted, but I was pleased with the results.
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Interesting the comments about the raw feeding. Charlie is raw fed and he has a matt once in a blue moon...TBH I can't remember the last time he had one :). They do say raw improves coat conditions? Maybe it is right.
We use Ice on Ice as well, I do have other spray on conditioners, but I do like this one the best.
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I've just moved Mollie onto raw and apart from my main reason being that I hope it helps with her ear infections, if it does help with the matting I will be over the moon. She gets matted so very easily and I brush her every day!!!
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Thank you everyone, just ordered some. Might explore raw feeding a little more
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Thank you everyone, just ordered some. Might explore raw feeding a little more
I don't feed raw, but found yumega oil made huge difference to coat condition (and less matting). It may well be the oil content in raw diet that makes the difference.
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Thank you everyone, just ordered some. Might explore raw feeding a little more
I don't feed raw, but found yumega oil made huge difference to coat condition (and less matting). It may well be the oil content in raw diet that makes the difference.
We use yumega oil too (and raw feed). I do think the condition of Charlie's coat has got better, but not sure what it's down to.
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Don't flame me but I don't think its necessarily raw feeding, I think its a good healthy diet combined with good grooming and good products.
Riley is kibble fed, brushed every day, rarely had a matt (under arm once)
I use ice on ice every day, use yumega oil or salmon oil from day 1, he has a super healthy silky coat.
Like I say I think its a multiple of combinations.
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Don't flame me but I don't think its necessarily raw feeding, I think its a good healthy diet combined with good grooming and good products.
Riley is kibble fed, brushed every day, rarely had a matt (under arm once)
I use ice on ice every day, use yumega oil or salmon oil from day 1, he has a super healthy silky coat.
Like I say I think its a multiple of combinations.
I agree, as you know we feed raw but I have nothing against other foods, we only went down the raw route as he wouldn'teat anything else. His coat is in good condition but what it's down to I don't know. However, I do like the raw idea and next time I'd definitely do it. Whether it helps coat condition or not, I don't know from personal experience.
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Don't flame me but I don't think its necessarily raw feeding, I think its a good healthy diet combined with good grooming and good products.
Riley is kibble fed, brushed every day, rarely had a matt (under arm once)
I use ice on ice every day, use yumega oil or salmon oil from day 1, he has a super healthy silky coat.
Like I say I think its a multiple of combinations.
I agree, as you know we feed raw but I have nothing against other foods, we only went down the raw route as he wouldn'teat anything else. His coat is in good condition but what it's down to I don't know. However, I do like the raw idea and next time I'd definitely do it. Whether it helps coat condition or not, I don't know from personal experience.
I think I would too, am still considering it tbh, only the lack of freezer space etc etc, I do know that eden suits him and its one of the best kibble around so there is that , I do know that riley would adore raw as he does with his raw mince, definitely can see why Charlie loves that over anything else.
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Don't flame me but I don't think its necessarily raw feeding, I think its a good healthy diet combined with good grooming and good products.
Riley is kibble fed, brushed every day, rarely had a matt (under arm once)
I use ice on ice every day, use yumega oil or salmon oil from day 1, he has a super healthy silky coat.
Like I say I think its a multiple of combinations.
I agree, as you know we feed raw but I have nothing against other foods, we only went down the raw route as he wouldn'teat anything else. His coat is in good condition but what it's down to I don't know. However, I do like the raw idea and next time I'd definitely do it. Whether it helps coat condition or not, I don't know from personal experience.
I think I would too, am still considering it tbh, only the lack of freezer space etc etc, I do know that eden suits him and its one of the best kibble around so there is that , I do know that riley would adore raw as he does with his raw mince, definitely can see why Charlie loves that over anything else.
DAF and I'm sure other places do a variety box, I used to get that, it took a freezer drawer of space for 20lb and it lasted about a month.
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I can't see how feeding raw alone stops knots altogether to be honest. Yes a good diet will help general health of course. Mine are on RC & they have natural fish treat, fish on their dinner, tripe sometimes and pure fish oil. I groom them daily. Use ice and ice and they get bathed fairly regularly, but they still matt on occasion especially in this wet weather. My red boy matts less than my heavier coated black simply cause he has less to matt. ;)
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I can't see how feeding raw alone stops knots altogether to be honest. Yes a good diet will help general health of course. Mine are on RC & they have natural fish treat, fish on their dinner, tripe sometimes and pure fish oil. I groom them daily. Use ice and ice and they get bathed fairly regularly, but they still matt on occasion especially in this wet weather. My red boy matts less than my heavier coated black simply cause he has less to matt. ;)
Agree! Aside from a healthy diet, it's hard work that pays off ;)
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I feed raw and mine get knotty, spayed one is the worst. I have Ice on ice and its lovely but I also have The Stuff and Demel'ex and I like the all but out of them all for bad matts I like Demel'ex the most.
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I feed raw and mine get knotty, spayed one is the worst. I have Ice on ice and its lovely but I also have The Stuff and Demel'ex and I like the all but out of them all for bad matts I like Demel'ex the most.
My friend has amazing results with demel'ex with her beard collie.
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I feed raw and mine get knotty, spayed one is the worst. I have Ice on ice and its lovely but I also have The Stuff and Demel'ex and I like the all but out of them all for bad matts I like Demel'ex the most.
I never got on with Demelex I have to say unfortunately, although I do actually know the only supplier of it here in the UK as she is the lady and training academy where I trained in grooming. ;) The stuff is the same sort of thing as ice on ice really. Just a different make as far as I can tell although not actually tried it. I just love ice in ice, but we are all different and find what works for us. They are all great products. :)
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I feed raw and mine get knotty, spayed one is the worst. I have Ice on ice and its lovely but I also have The Stuff and Demel'ex and I like the all but out of them all for bad matts I like Demel'ex the most.
I never got on with Demelex I have to say unfortunately, although I do actually know the only supplier of it here in the UK as she is the lady and training academy where I trained in grooming. ;) The stuff is the same sort of thing as ice on ice really. Just a different make as far as I can tell although not actually tried it. I just love ice in ice, but we are all different and find what works for us. They are all great products. :)
How do you use your ice on ice?
After mine is diluted 15/1 I literally spray while grooming him, also a quick light spray all over at the end of grooming.
Not sure whether Im over doing it or not, saying that the concentrated one lasted me about 14 months of every day use.
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I don't dilute quite as they say ph34r - I'm more of a 12/1 - I find this good my Cavaliers; I use mainly on their ears, tail and leg feathers, and that would be 4/5 times per week. The bottle I bought ages ago still has loads left...
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I use the premixed bottle to measure it in as it has the measurement at the bottom and then fill with water and shake. A concentrate bottle lasts forever. I soak my black boys coat in it & I mean soak daily and then brush through & comb through. By this time it has usually dried and I then give a last finer spray and brush to finish. I also do ear washes inbetween baths by just sticking a squirt of the concentrate in a big bowl of warm water swish the ears about and soak in it for short time and then towel dry off & comb through. Seems to work reall well. I don't think you can overdue it as I use tons and only good effects. No real build up and really helps keep his coat nice. :D
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Thank you everyone, just ordered some. Might explore raw feeding a little more
I don't feed raw, but found yumega oil made huge difference to coat condition (and less matting). It may well be the oil content in raw diet that makes the difference.
I've found it's done wonders for Bella who I've had for just over a month and her coat has been neglected for 3.1/2 years !!!
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;) How did I ever live without Ice on Ice !!! after reading the remarks on here I bought some ready mixed - its amazing stuff. I now have the concentrate in the cupboard so I'm stocked up. Never will I groom again without this spray :D
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;) How did I ever live without Ice on Ice !!! after reading the remarks on here I bought some ready mixed - its amazing stuff. I now have the concentrate in the cupboard so I'm stocked up. Never will I groom again without this spray :D
Glad you are happy with it, same here.
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How odd. Just came on to locate this thread & up it's popped!
I bought dome of the ready made after this thread originally started but to be honest haven't really used it. However after our fabulous holiday in North Wales last week, Jake again was horribly matted. This happened last year & I had to have him severely trimmed😢
Anyway, battling with him (not due to groomers until Friday) when I suddenly remembered about it. Used it and have managed to get through his whole coat without resorting to scissors & a much calmer boy (& owner)
Wondering about using it on ?Charlie who's coat is really dull once it has about 6-8 weeks of growth.
Looking at buying the concentrate now😃😃
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Mine has arrived and have used it 3 times on meg and it is super. She has a really lovely coat anyway but her ears were getting knotty, but since using ice on ice she is so much better. An ice on ice convert :D
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So glad you all like it. :shades: :D