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Cocker Specific Discussion => Genetics & Breeding => Topic started by: kellys mum on October 20, 2005, 03:47:49 PM

Title: Show Champion
Post by: kellys mum on October 20, 2005, 03:47:49 PM
Hi I a have just been looking at Kellys Family tree and it says her grandmother was a show champion I know its prob a daft question but what does it exactly mean, can anyone say this on their family tree and is there a way I could search the net for (if it is true) what show she was champion of and perhaps a photo etc.. I do find this interesting and would like to investigate further. Thanks Julia
Title: Show Champion
Post by: Emily on October 20, 2005, 03:56:41 PM
A show champion is a dog that has won three challenge certificates (CC's) under 3 different judges you have to win best dog or best bitch at Championship shows

Here are pics of our champions:

Frankie (http://pic.piczo.com/img/i126417239_67442.jpg)

Ally (http://pic.piczo.com/img/i105721527_19230.jpg)


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Title: Show Champion
Post by: kellys mum on October 20, 2005, 04:09:45 PM
Absolutely beautiful what more can you say!!! Thanks
Title: Show Champion
Post by: Jane S on October 20, 2005, 04:22:32 PM
Julia, if you want to research your pup's pedigree, try doing a search on Google of some of the names. Often photos & show results will come up of well-known dogs, particularly Show Champions.

Jane
Title: Show Champion
Post by: Phaedra on October 20, 2005, 05:17:23 PM
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A show champion is a dog that has won three challenge certificates (CC's) under 3 different judges you have to win best dog or best bitch at Championship shows

Here are pics of our champions:

Frankie (http://pic.piczo.com/img/i126417239_67442.jpg)

Ally (http://pic.piczo.com/img/i105721527_19230.jpg)


Admin note: Image links changed to web links due to large size of first photo
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WOW! Frankie is beautiful! What is his registered name and pedigree?

Anneli
Title: Show Champion
Post by: Emily on October 20, 2005, 05:40:38 PM
His Registered name is Sh Ch Claramand Rock N Roll with Molkara JW - his pedigree should be of some interest to you, as he is a quarter Swedish!

You can see it here (http://www.champdogs.co.uk/pedigree/3596.html)  :D
Title: Show Champion
Post by: mark smith on October 22, 2005, 10:46:07 PM
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Hi I a have just been looking at Kellys Family tree and it says her grandmother was a show champion I know its prob a daft question but what does it exactly mean, can anyone say this on their family tree and is there a way I could search the net for (if it is true) what show she was champion of and perhaps a photo etc.. I do find this interesting and would like to investigate further. Thanks Julia
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this dog is a champion and a very nice dog the london cocker club has a full history and photos of all cocker champions
Title: Show Champion
Post by: kellys mum on October 22, 2005, 10:57:28 PM
Mark I dont understand your reply sorry. Ive tried a google search with Kellys grandmothers name but not getting anything. Thanks Julia
Title: Show Champion
Post by: mark smith on October 23, 2005, 10:08:01 PM
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Mark I dont understand your reply sorry. Ive tried a google search with Kellys grandmothers name but not getting anything. Thanks Julia
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what is the name of her grandmother? if she is a champion the cocker club will have a photo of her and her show history
Title: Show Champion
Post by: Jane S on October 23, 2005, 10:50:40 PM
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if she is a champion the cocker club will have a photo of her and her show history
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No they won't necessarily Mark. The Cocker Club has an archive of show photos but doesn't keep individual photos of individual Sh Champions or their history, unless you mean adverts in the annual Year Books? Julia, if you let us know Kelly's Grandmother's name, I'm sure someone will be able to help you with further info :)

Jane
Title: Show Champion
Post by: mark smith on October 23, 2005, 11:16:10 PM
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if she is a champion the cocker club will have a photo of her and her show history
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No they won't necessarily Mark. The Cocker Club has an archive of show photos but doesn't keep individual photos of individual Sh Champions or their history, unless you mean adverts in the annual Year Books? Julia, if you let us know Kelly's Grandmother's name, I'm sure someone will be able to help you with further info :)

Jane
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im sorry jane but they do i saw them at their champ show this year and infact made a point of looking at them all while i was showing
Title: Show Champion
Post by: Jane S on October 24, 2005, 10:14:21 AM
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im sorry jane but they do i saw them at their champ show this year and infact made a point of looking at them all while i was showing
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I'm sorry Mark but those photos you saw do not belong to The Cocker Club - they belong to the photographer Ian Scott who kindly brings along his collection every year for display purposes & then takes them home again. I have had to ask Ian specifically to borrow some of his photos for use on the Club website as the Club does not keep photos of individual dogs.

Jane
Title: Show Champion
Post by: mark smith on October 24, 2005, 11:57:43 AM
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im sorry jane but they do i saw them at their champ show this year and infact made a point of looking at them all while i was showing
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I'm sorry Mark but those photos you saw do not belong to The Cocker Club - they belong to the photographer Ian Scott who kindly brings along his collection every year for display purposes & then takes them home again. I have had to ask Ian specifically to borrow some of his photos for use on the Club website as the Club does not keep photos of individual dogs.

Jane
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i stand corrected however kellys mum could still use the club to obtain a copy photo which was  all i was  trying to say
Title: Show Champion
Post by: Jane S on October 24, 2005, 01:06:40 PM
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i stand corrected however kellys mum could still use the club to obtain a copy photo which was  all i was  trying to say
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Well actually she couldn't - she'd need to contact the photographer direct but she may not need to as often other members of COL have pics in their own private collections or in their Year Books.

Jane
Title: Show Champion
Post by: mark smith on October 24, 2005, 01:28:57 PM
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i stand corrected however kellys mum could still use the club to obtain a copy photo which was  all i was  trying to say
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Well actually she couldn't - she'd need to contact the photographer direct but she may not need to as often other members of COL have pics in their own private collections or in their Year Books.

Jane
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i take it you dislike me however she would need to contact the club to know who the photographer is as i am sure she is not up on the show world and if she is like me maybe would like a copy picture of a quailty print
Title: Show Champion
Post by: kellys mum on October 24, 2005, 01:56:50 PM
Ooooooooo Im sorry if I started something here Kellys grandmother name is Asquanne,S Glenfiddich and her grandfather is also show champion Hanley Simple Red. The only reason I have doubts is as I have said in the past we Believe that Kelly is from a questionable background with names in her pedigree that have been mentioned as not good. Although I have to say her breeder has contacted me twice in the last year to see how she is, we also saw her mother and the grandmother when we picked her up, then in saying that she asked a few questions of us but after reading many posts on here not enough. Im just so confused I would like to find out as much as possible. :huh:
Title: Show Champion
Post by: mark smith on October 24, 2005, 02:23:12 PM
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Ooooooooo Im sorry if I started something here Kellys grandmother name is Asquanne,S Glenfiddich and her grandfather is also show champion Hanley Simple Red. The only reason I have doubts is as I have said in the past we Believe that Kelly is from a questionable background with names in her pedigree that have been mentioned as not good. Although I have to say her breeder has contacted me twice in the last year to see how she is, we also saw her mother and the grandmother when we picked her up, then in saying that she asked a few questions of us but after reading many posts on here not enough. Im just so confused I would like to find out as much as possible. :huh:
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hi asquannes glenfiddich is a sh champ i dont know about hanley simple red is it a hand written pedigree you have?
Title: Show Champion
Post by: kellys mum on October 24, 2005, 02:36:35 PM
No it is all typed etc.. looks official and all that. Julia
Title: Show Champion
Post by: mark smith on October 24, 2005, 02:46:41 PM
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No it is all typed etc.. looks official and all that. Julia
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if its on kc paper then all sh ch are true
Title: Show Champion
Post by: lyn on October 24, 2005, 02:57:09 PM
hi,my puppy paddy has asquannes glenfidich in his ped so they must be related :)he also has questionable breeders in his ped!some well known puppy farmers :ph34r:
Title: Show Champion
Post by: kellys mum on October 24, 2005, 03:00:59 PM
Ok so now where can I go for more information Ive done a google search and nothing. Im not very good with computers only know the basics. LOL. So any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Julia
Title: Show Champion
Post by: kellys mum on October 24, 2005, 03:08:04 PM
Lynpate. How do you know or find out about these "Puppy farms" what I mean is if they have show champions in their pedigree how do they come from there to puppy farms. I am not sure if I am asking the right questions on the forum but just trying to find answers. If you dont mind me asking how far down the line is Asquanne, s Glenfiddich in Paddys pedigree. Thanks Julia :huh:
Title: Show Champion
Post by: Jane S on October 24, 2005, 03:13:53 PM
Hanley Simply Red was a Show Champion (not sure if he's still alive now). Asquannes Glenfiddich is also a Show Champ but he's male so can't be Kelly's grandmother - must be her grandfather :lol: Glenfiddich is in a lot of solid pedigrees so I expect you've found plenty of mentions of him on Google. I probably have photos of both dogs in old Year Books but you'll have to be patient as I'm up to my ears in website work at the moment :)

Jane
Title: Show Champion
Post by: kellys mum on October 24, 2005, 03:25:49 PM
:blink: oops what a dummy lol yes it is and its not grandfather it is great grandfather It would probally help if I could read the tree properly. Thank you all anyway Julia ;)
Title: Show Champion
Post by: lyn on October 24, 2005, 03:29:20 PM
hi,i didn't know until after i got him and joined this forum.puppy farmers i think pretend to be good owners and buy from champ stock then breed like mad from the poor little things.i have to go now coz paddy has to go to the vet today he has developed a strange rash on the inside of his back leg :o i will pm you when i get back
Title: Show Champion
Post by: Curtisio on October 24, 2005, 04:07:08 PM
Here's ShCh Asquannes Glenfidich...

Got a load of 'Solid' photos when researching Kyro's pedigree...

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b154/curtisio/Sh_Ch_Asquannes_Glenfidich.jpg)

Title: Show Champion
Post by: lyn on October 25, 2005, 07:59:34 AM
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Lynpate. How do you know or find out about these "Puppy farms" what I mean is if they have show champions in their pedigree how do they come from there to puppy farms. I am not sure if I am asking the right questions on the forum but just trying to find answers. If you dont mind me asking how far down the line is Asquanne, s Glenfiddich in Paddys pedigree. Thanks Julia :huh:
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i found lots of info by typing in the prefix names on his ped into google also found a few things in the genetics and breeding posts.
asquannes glenfidich is about five gens back on paddy's ped maybe six i have lost it whilst decorating he has quite a few shch and ftch in his ped but at least three puppyfarm bred dogs too.hth lyn