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Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: debbie321 on February 15, 2006, 11:36:05 AM
I took Ben to the vet this morning to discuss the Tardak injection he had a couple of weeks ago.  His humping hadn't stopped and he started showing signs of aggression to his usual mates (and me once).  The vet had kept a slot for him in case we decided castration would be done early.  We discussed his behaviour and the effects of Tardak.  The vet said that the injection wouldn't have changed his temperment and mentioned rage syndrome in golden cockers?  He said it was very rare to see these days so I hope Ben's just being a stroppy teenager and will grow out of it.  He also said that castration may not solve Ben's problems but was a good start.  I'll concentrate more on training while out on walks.

He stayed in for the op  :huh: The good news was that his hernia is now so small that nothing needs to be done to it.  He's also looking at his dew claws as one of them is sore.  I can call later today and collect him this evening if everything goes well...............................the house is so empty without him  :( I've gone overboard on housework to keep my mind off what's happening to him, so I now have freshly shampoo'd carpets and a clean kitchen floor - I just need him home to get the muddy footprints back  :D
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: shonajoy on February 15, 2006, 11:38:16 AM
Awww, I hope he is back home tonight with you, I'm sure he will be.
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: Cob-Web on February 15, 2006, 11:53:30 AM
Bens a working cocker, isn't he?  I'm sure Jane will corrct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that working cockers are effected by Rage Syndome; so imo, it was unecessary for your vet to mention it really  <_<

I hope Ben recovers from his op; and is bouncing again soon  :)
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Post by: Elisa on February 15, 2006, 12:29:41 PM
Aww bless him.  Hope he is bouncing around again soon.  :)
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: Helen on February 15, 2006, 12:33:26 PM
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Bens a working cocker, isn't he?  I'm sure Jane will corrct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that working cockers are effected by Rage Syndome; so imo, it was unecessary for your vet to mention it really  <_<

I hope Ben recovers from his op; and is bouncing again soon  :)
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that was my understanding too re cocker rage...

i can understand why you're missing your gorgeous boy :wub:  i think that castration may be a good starting point for him, and also think he's very active and and needs lots of stimulation and exercise.  jarvis responds well to training, especially retrieving balls etc (his tail goes non stop when he know's he's doing well) and working cockers do like being busy.

ben is a good boy, i think you'll get there with him (he's was the most dominant and outgoing in his litter and these pups often turn out to be the hardest work...)

and he's hormonal and a teenager, and it is a stage...which may seem endless at the moment!

(he also has his mum and fave girl becky who obviously love him to bits, so he's a lucky boy)

give him a gentle squidge from me, and a manly cocker snog from jarv.  Jarv looks forward to really having a good play with ben in april (without the distraction of pesky girl smells....  :rolleyes:)

looking forward to hearing how he got on today

hx
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: Jane S on February 15, 2006, 12:38:04 PM
Sounds like another vet mentioning Rage Syndrome when encountering any kind of behaviour problem in a Cocker - bet he wouldn't have mentioned it if Ben had been any colour than gold. Linda Ward has had a few cases of severe aggression involving Working Cockers but it doesn't sound like Ben comes anywhere near that category. Debbie, have you read the case study on Linda's site about the Working Cocker whose aggression was treated successfully with dietary modification and vitamin supplementation? You can find it HERE (http://www.cockerspanielrage.org.uk/case_histories5.htm). It might give you an additional avenue to explore :)

Jane
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: PennyB on February 15, 2006, 01:08:08 PM
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Sounds like another vet mentioning Rage Syndrome when encountering any kind of behaviour problem in a Cocker - bet he wouldn't have mentioned it if Ben had been any colour than gold.
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bet he wouldn't have thought of it either if Ben had been any other breed (wonder how many owners have pts on the meer suggestion of it!)
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: debbie321 on February 15, 2006, 02:45:18 PM
Thanks for all your replies.  I've just called the vet and he's fine :D I can pick him up at about 5 tonight.  He didn't have the hernia repair and his dew claw is getting better so just more antibiotics.

Thanks for that link Jane.  Ben is on Arden Grange as Burns didn't suit him, he loves it so much that they are also his training treats along with small bits of cheese.  I'll try some Vitamin B6 as mentioned in the link and get on with more training.  

A lady in the vets this morning was telling me what her springer does - pulls the curtains on command, puts washing in and out of the machine (when asked - not like Ben who does it when not supposed to) and fetches various objects by name ect.  This sounds like a challange but to teach him a few things like this should keep us busy  :lol:

Can't wait to get the little man home now  :P

Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: Helen on February 15, 2006, 03:06:34 PM
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Thanks for all your replies.  I've just called the vet and he's fine :D I can pick him up at about 5 tonight.  He didn't have the hernia repair and his dew claw is getting better so just more antibiotics.

Thanks for that link Jane.  Ben is on Arden Grange as Burns didn't suit him, he loves it so much that they are also his training treats along with small bits of cheese.  I'll try some Vitamin B6 as mentioned in the link and get on with more training.   

A lady in the vets this morning was telling me what her springer does - pulls the curtains on command, puts washing in and out of the machine (when asked - not like Ben who does it when not supposed to) and fetches various objects by name ect.  This sounds like a challange but to teach him a few things like this should keep us busy  :lol:

Can't wait to get the little man home now  :P
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glad the boy is fine, and can't wait for ben's repertoire of new tricks!!  (they are funny things - they get such a kick out of pleasing you  ;) )

Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: debbie321 on February 15, 2006, 05:49:37 PM
He's been home since 4.30 and is not feeling fine at all.  He was very wobbly and subdued when we picked him up and has slept wrapped up in his blankets since getting home.  He has given me so many sorrowful looks out of glazed eyes that I've been feeling awful :(   I know this is just the aneasthetic and he will be fine tomorrow so I've given myself a pep talk  ;)

I've got the dreaded buster collar in case he needs it.  If he just licks his bits and bobs, do you think he'll be OK without it?  Obviously if he pulls at the stiches I'll have to put it on.  I'm also mentally going through our wardrobes to think of something he could wear as Mikey and Herbie are doing.  Can't think of anything yet though  :unsure:
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Post by: sarahp on February 15, 2006, 06:15:24 PM
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(without the distraction of pesky girl smells....  :rolleyes:)
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Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: sarahp on February 15, 2006, 06:20:59 PM
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If he just licks his bits and bobs,
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Debbie - he doesn't have bits and  bobs any longer :ph34r:  :lol:


Seriously - I'm sure you've made the right decision, both for you and for Ben - and honestly he will be fine tomorrow.  Daisy has that soulfull/aneasthetic look off to a fine art ;)   I'm sure its just done to get extra chicken :rolleyes:

As for a suitable garment for the young man - do you not have any Bridget Jones's??????  I'm sure he'd look really fetching in a pair of those :P  :lol:  :lol:
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Post by: miche on February 15, 2006, 06:32:55 PM
Mikey and Herbie have eaten each other collars and find it very funny to rip off each others pants. :lol:

I was really upset when I saw Mikey after the op but the next day he was fine, honestly.  It was 5 days ago my boys were done, Mikey is healing faster than Herbie as he isn't licking (no sense no feeling).   :)

Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: debbie321 on February 15, 2006, 06:43:14 PM
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If he just licks his bits and bobs,
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Debbie - he doesn't have bits and  bobs any longer :ph34r:  :lol:


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 :P  :P Poor Ben  :P  :P

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As for a suitable garment for the young man - do you not have any Bridget Jones's?????? I'm sure he'd look really fetching in a pair of those   


I may have a largish pair somewhere  :lol:
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: Annette on February 15, 2006, 07:04:01 PM
Get well soon, Ben.
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: Cob-Web on February 15, 2006, 09:20:22 PM
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He's been home since 4.30 and is not feeling fine at all.  He was very wobbly and subdued when we picked him up and has slept wrapped up in his blankets since getting home.  He has given me so many sorrowful looks out of glazed eyes that I've been feeling awful :(   I know this is just the aneasthetic and he will be fine tomorrow so I've given myself a pep talk  ;)

Aw, poor chap - Molo reacted badly to anaethetic and I was in a right state  :rolleyes: I eventually called the on-call vet at about midnight for reassurance :ph34r:
A tip that Caroline gave me was to give him an ice-cube to get some liquid into him - Molo wasn't drinking, which was really worrying  :(

I'm sure he'll feel better soon; try a get a little bit a sleep tonight; even if its on the sofa next to his crate  :ph34r:
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: debbie321 on February 15, 2006, 09:30:11 PM
I'm a bit new to all this so here are a couple of questions....

Ben is still VERY sleepy and sorry looking but what is worrying me is:-

1. He's not interested in food, water or toileting.  Food and toileting I can understand but water?  He last drank last night and although I've brought water to him and tried to moisten his lips - he doesn't want to know?

2. His bits and bobs (yes they look as though they are still there) are very red and swollen.  Is that normal?

His dew claw which was sore before, is now very swollen and sticking out.  This may be down to the vet having a good look while under aneasthetic - but it looks even more inflamed.  He has antibiotics for this so hopefully this will get better.  any thoughts?

Do you think he'll be OK in his crate without the buster collar tonight - as  this is normal routine to him?  Should I leave him where he is and get the sleeping bag down to keep him company?  I know I'm being an overprotective mum but I feel soooooo guilty at the mo.  The leaflet states that the effects of aneasthetic may last for a day or two and not to panic so long as they are 'rousable' which he is.

Sorry for so many questions but I'm worried.

Edited to add - just seen your post Rachel.  Thanks for the reassurance!  Just checked the freezer but I have no ice cubes!  I think I'll be down here tonight - at least I'm on leave now til Monday.
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: suki1964 on February 15, 2006, 09:30:28 PM
Poor lad :(

Alfie was the same - zonked. I spent the night on the sofa with him cos I was worried he was going to be sick - hed spent most of the evening standing under a bush just hanging his head :( Woke late to find him sprawled out in the hall way and the knickers Id put on him to stop him licking left in a heap in the kitchen :)

Im sure he will be right as rain tomorrow
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: suki1964 on February 15, 2006, 09:36:10 PM
The swelling will go down pretty rapidly - 48 hrs and Alfies were back to normal (without the testes obviously and now the sac is shrivelling)

If the buster is upsetting him then try a pair of pants or pyjamma bottoms on him.

Dont worry about food, keep offering him water though.

And as Ive said I slept down with him just in case - we are all over protective mums I think :)
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Post by: Cob-Web on February 15, 2006, 09:40:42 PM
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I'm a bit new to all this so here are a couple of questions....

Ben is still VERY sleepy and sorry looking but what is worrying me is:-

1. He's not interested in food, water or toileting.  Food and toileting I can understand but water?  He last drank last night and although I've brought water to him and tried to moisten his lips - he doesn't want to know?

2. His bits and bobs (yes they look as though they are still there) are very red and swollen.  Is that normal?

His dew claw which was sore before, is now very swollen and sticking out.  This may be down to the vet having a good look while under aneasthetic - but it looks even more inflamed.  He has antibiotics for this so hopefully this will get better.  any thoughts?

Do you think he'll be OK in his crate without the buster collar tonight - as  this is normal routine to him?  Should I leave him where he is and get the sleeping bag down to keep him company?  I know I'm being an overprotective mum but I feel soooooo guilty at the mo.  The leaflet states that the effects of aneasthetic may last for a day or two and not to panic so long as they are 'rousable' which he is.

Sorry for so many questions but I'm worried.
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Aw, poor poor chap!

in answer to your questions:

Have you tried water or ice-cubes in the palm of your hand? It was Caroline's idea when Molo was in this state  :ph34r:

I "slept" on the floor next to Molo's crate after his op - I left the door open and dangled my hand in as it was the only thing that stopped him pitifully whining/crying :(  We had moved his crate into the living room cos he was on crate rest for a week - so I wasn't sleeping on the kitchen floor  :rolleyes:  He eventually struggled to his feet at about 4 am, and I then spent the rest of the night pacing in and out with him (very slowly  :( ) Eventually, at about 7 am - he finally lost the glazed look, and I could see Molo in his eyes again  ;)

I am sure he will be fine; but its horrid to see them like this - remember the vet doesn't mind being disturbed if you have any concerns (I had to be told that in the middle on the night after Molo's op  :ph34r: )
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: debbie321 on February 15, 2006, 11:03:01 PM
He's just woken up enough to get the blanket off and start licking the wound.  I have a sleeping bag and the spare mattress for tonight (I feel tired already)  :) I haven't put the buster collar on yet or tried him with the Bridget Jones clothing but will put something on soon.  He still hasn't had a drink and acts as though I'm trying to poison him if I get the bowl anywhere near.

OK - he's now trying to sleep again apart from the odd whimper  :unsure: I hope this is all for the best ???????????? :unsure: Feeling guilty or what!
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: Elisa on February 15, 2006, 11:09:04 PM
Poor Ben  :(   I'm sure he will be fine in the morning.  He will be feeling very sorry for himself.  Hope he perks up in the morning.  :)

Don't feel guilty, you're a great mum!    :D
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: Jan/Billy on February 15, 2006, 11:20:57 PM
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Ben is still VERY sleepy and sorry looking but what is worrying me is:-

1. He's not interested in food, water or toileting.  Food and toileting I can understand but water?  He last drank last night and although I've brought water to him and tried to moisten his lips - he doesn't want to know?

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I don't want to worry you but I'd ring the vet. I had a telling off from my vet recently when Billy had an upset tummy and hadn't drank water for 12 hrs, he told me dehydration can be very very serious in dogs . Your vet may say its ok but if it was me i'd definately give them a ring  :)
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: miche on February 15, 2006, 11:28:55 PM
Mikey was just like this on Friday night after his op.  Herbie wasn't, he was his normal self which made me think there was something up.

I am pretty sure he will be fine.  The vet is just at the end of the phone though just in case but Mikey had me in tears on Friday night I just didn't know what to do, so I know what you are feeling.

Mikey was totally out of it, so much so that he wouldn't have even noticed if I was with him or not so I left them both in the kitchen on their own.  The next morning they shot out of the kitchen and were up to loads of naughty things, they even ran out of the house and onto the green :rolleyes: .  You will be surprised tomoz.

His bits sound normal, don't worry about the food and toileting, I am sure he  doesn't know what's going on atm when he comes round properly he will want a drink.  Mikey was whimpering loads when he came home, he didn't really understand the feeling of the stitches I think.  Try not to let him lick his stitches, Herbie had a collar on the first night and Mikey had his PJ's on and if you feel like sleeping next to him then I would - go with what you think best.  

Does Ben have to have his stitches taken out?  Mikey and Herbs have theirs out on Monday - it get's very itchy so the PJ's or collar might have to stay on for a week or so but I only make them wear it when I am not with them.

Just to re-assure you my two are completely back to normal now, they can't go out for a run and have their pants or collars on sometimes but they get over this very quickly - you might not think that tonight but he will
Try to have a good night and post in the morning to let us know all is well. xx
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: miche on February 15, 2006, 11:35:13 PM
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Ben is still VERY sleepy and sorry looking but what is worrying me is:-

1. He's not interested in food, water or toileting.  Food and toileting I can understand but water?  He last drank last night and although I've brought water to him and tried to moisten his lips - he doesn't want to know?

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I don't want to worry you but I'd ring the vet. I had a telling off from my vet recently when Billy had an upset tummy and hadn't drank water for 12 hrs, he told me dehydration can be very very serious in dogs . Your vet may say its ok but if it was me i'd definately give them a ring  :)
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Dehydration is very serious in dogs and my mums dog ended up on a drip not so long ago, but dehydration usually follows a bug or illness where fluids are lost.  Ben has not lost any fluids by the sound of it so he should be OK until the weariness wears off, but as Jan said - if you are worried about it, phone the vet and if he tells you off tell him COL told you to phone :P

Mikey and Herbie didn't drink the first night home and I was expecting them to drink loads, just as well they didn't as they didn't want to wee as much then.
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Post by: Jan/Billy on February 15, 2006, 11:37:17 PM
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Dehydration is very serious in dogs and my mums dog ended up on a drip not so long ago, but dehydration usually follows a bug or illness where fluids are lost.  Ben has not lost any fluids by the sound of it so he should be OK until the weariness wears off, but as Jan said - if you are worried about it, phone the vet and if he tells you off tell him COL told you to phone :P

 
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Ah I see  ;)  Thanks miche  :)
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Post by: Jan/Billy on February 15, 2006, 11:38:13 PM
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- if you are worried about it, phone the vet and if he tells you off tell him COL told you to phone
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Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: PennyB on February 16, 2006, 01:00:05 AM
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If the buster is upsetting him then try a pair of pants or pyjamma bottoms on him.
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sometimes you can just do without anything (my vet doesn't give you a buster collar straight away and only if you need it). I have with all of mine. If the stitches aren't bothering them you really don't even need to have them wear pants either.

I've always been told to rub their ears in your fingertips circling downwards to help get the anaesthetic out of his system.
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: debbie321 on February 16, 2006, 08:32:29 AM
Thanks again for all the reassurance!  We had a restless night but at about 4am he had a small drink.  Then at 7am he seemed to turn a corner and started trying to get into the sleeping back with a wildly wagging tail  :P He had a small breakfast at 8 and more water.  He has now nicked one of my socks with that normal naughty but cute attitude - and - as I type this, he's attacking the mattress  :lol:

I'm so pleased that he's being naughty again - I might even enjoy it for a day or two before getting back to normal  ;)

Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: Annette on February 16, 2006, 08:48:41 AM
That's great news. I'm so pleased.
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: Petra on February 16, 2006, 08:49:39 AM
So glad to hear he is on the mend - what a worrying night.....
Enjoy the naughty Ben!! (I hope your mattress survives....)
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: Elisa on February 16, 2006, 10:02:04 AM
Woke up this morning thinking about Ben  :ph34r:  :unsure:   So came on at first opportunity to check on him.  So pleased to hear he is feeling better  :D  :D
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Post by: debbie321 on February 16, 2006, 10:11:42 AM
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Woke up this morning thinking about Ben  :ph34r:  :unsure:   So came on at first opportunity to check on him.  So pleased to hear he is feeling better  :D  :D
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Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: Magic Star on February 16, 2006, 10:11:44 AM
Only just caught this, glad to hear Ben is improving xx
Title: Ben's At The Vets
Post by: lyn on February 16, 2006, 10:17:15 AM
well i'm so glad he's feeling better :) kept coming back to this all night last night to check on his progress.so it's true what they say,you just can't keep a good dog down :lol:
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Post by: debbie321 on February 16, 2006, 10:27:38 AM
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well i'm so glad he's feeling better :) kept coming back to this all night last night to check on his progress.so it's true what they say,you just can't keep a good dog down :lol:
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I could have been on the forum all night for the amount of sleep I got  :P I logged off just after 11pm so read all the lovely messages this morning.  He's just had a short lead walk but is still giving me those looks  :( He is soooo much better though - has anyone else had the side effect of bright yellow diawhatsit?  I'm not going to worry about it unless it keeps on.  The biggest problem was that it was right outside someones front gate  :ph34r: Took a lot of cleaning  :ph34r: Thats the joy of owning dogs eh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: suki1964 on February 16, 2006, 10:47:55 AM
So glad hes so much better :)

What a relief for you as well :)

The diawhatsit may be down to the antibiotics or just possibly the shock to the system of the op.

Just to let you know that two days after Alfie had the op he was back to normal, swelling all down, running like a loon and making the stairs no prob. Now nearly a week later the wound has completely healed and everything is shrinking nicely :)